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Here's what I have. It is #28 of only 50 made. Not a mark on her, Ovation HSC w/ key and most if not all case candy. Many OFC'ers think this is the best wood topped Ovation model ever made. I'm asking $1400 delivered in the continuous 48 states.
And the obligatory sky shot:
These images are of #8 which I also owned at one time but now resides in France. I'm am not able to post pictures of #28 right now because I've relocated to Florida and my family (and camera) are still in TN.
Currently I have limited internet access but will be able to answer questions and inquires most evenings. Drop me a line and I'll get back to you ASAP.
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Location: Texas | You left your family and your camera behind but brought your guitar with you? You are an exemplary OFC member!
Beautiful guitar. Not for me right now, but good luck with the sale… |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Standing... My daughter has to finish up High School and my wife is with her. The guitars were able to fit in the car, so here they are.
MMike....Thanks for the well wishes. It is good to be productive and bring home the bacon once again.
Dweezil....PM box is full.
Jim...I'm a liken' it a lot!
Jack....Yes, I'll miss her when she's gone.
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by MisterGolf007:
Here's your chance, Iffy! Go4It! Just doesn't get any better - at least in wood (imho)... ...and no shipping cost. You could drive over in less than an hour. :D
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Iffy if you have been GASSING then this is one to definitely think about. Hard times have made a few guitars become available that usually aren't on the market.
Good time to snatch up a classic! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by BluesSailor:
Sale Pending OK, I think both emoticons express my reactions...
Congrats to Brad and the new lucky owner! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | dweez,
If you're the new owner, then congrats on obtaining one of the sweetest 'O's EVER made! |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Thanks, I certainly plan to be.
I had to do it...
1. Ebony fretboard
2. 12 fretter
3. Same binding as the 03C
4. Straight out signal path
5. Slot head
6. Wider neck
And my second single hole, I never ever saw that coming!
Also sounds like it would be a good option as a nylon strung... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't you dare put nylon's on that. Keep looking for that 1763 or 1713. |
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1763 is it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I have a nice Folklore that I obtained cheap from a guy who was told by a "luthier" that it was for nylon strings. It looked like the owner had tried to get the strings to stay tied to the bridge and eventually gave up. It 3 of the wound strings loosely tied on when I got it. Fortunately, he didn't try filing bigger grooves in the nut to fit the nylons.
So, dweezil, forget what I just said. Try putting nylons on the FD14. Then give up in frustration and sell it to me cheap. Personally, I've always preferred the Ovation sound of the Folklores over the Martin sound of the FD14s. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Shipping out to the UK tomorrow morning. Dweez, you'll love this one! I'm sorry to see this one go but I need to cut back a bit to take care of a few loose ends. (like relocation expenses)
The FUD is (was) the most marketable guitar I own(ed) so unfortunately it was the one selected to go.
Fortunately, there are other great guitars out there and there WILL be another day.
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I'm hoping that it'll be good enough to let me sell the 1537.
At least the 2010 calendar will have some FUD action now ;) |
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Location: Le Havre (France) | Congratulations !
Originally posted by dweezil:
Also sounds like it would be a good option as a nylon strung... It does !
It has a good sound in acoustic.
And it is a killer when you plug it !
Here is a topic where you\'ll find some samples. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Hey Dude!
Looking at your sig, looks like we have similar tastes...
UTE == 1680
Parlor 97 snap! (is yours also wide nut one?)
FD-14 snap!
Adamas III eh, not many of those about I guess. |
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Location: Le Havre (France) | Yep !
We've got the same tastes !
But my Parlor is a narrow neck...
Concerning the 1680, I prefer its look better than the Ute !
I find that the Dave's shit epaulets are nice !
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Location: Parrish, FL | Dweezil,
Did it show up today?
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Cleared customs - delivery for Mon or Tue... |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | FD-14 arrived but with 6" crack in the top - it's ruined :(
In a word ****! |
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Location: Cincinnati | Sorry to hear that, dweezil. But the Mothership can fix it.
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | WOAH! Well that makes me feel a load better :)
Tell me how much did they charge? I guess mine needs a new top to make it like new. I've emailed Kim but no reply yet...
I also wonder is the new top the same quality etc?
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Nice one. I think I would rather have the top replaced by the Wizrds rather than knowing there's a fixed crack. It all depends on how much they'll charge as I did have it insured. |
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Location: Cincinnati | they replaced the top and body for $625. prices subject to change without notice. I'd follow Dave's advice and see if luthier can fix it before sending it back to the factory. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | It was insured so I would rather send it back and have USPS pay for a new top! Surely if money didn't come into it a new top would be the better option. OK it might not be opended up but I'll happily do it.
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | WHAT!?!?!?
That wouldn't make sence would it?
From the USPS site:
"For partial damage, estimates of repair costs not to exceed the the original purchase price"
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I dunno. The only claim I ever had with them was a guitar they snapped the neck off. It wasn't repairable. They paid me the claim money but I never saw the guitar again. I guess it's different if the item is repairable. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Must reading re claims: Carmack Admendment !!!
Serge (G8r),
Could this be added to the FAQ? |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Doesn't USPS pay your claim but they keep the item? This is complicated because of two things:
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[*]1) USPS always says that if an item is totalled, they will retain the item upon paying out the claim.
2) This particular transaction involves two different postal carriers.
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Let's deal with #1 first. The guitar that Trader Jim recently bought from me was badly damaged in shipping. Guess what, it needs a new top. Depending on who each of us has talked to, we get slight variations of the "USPS retains ownership" story. Thus far, this is the total picture as we have come to understand it. Firstly, when filing the INITIAL claim, the claimant (usually the shipper) has to specifically state that the receiver wishes to have the article repaired and why. ("Because this instrument is no longer manufactured." is a valid reason.) Second, an authorized quote for the repair must be included in the claim as well. (Kim or John can help with this via email.) Don't forget any other helpful attachments like pictures, purchase receipts, etc. Third, the receiving local post office must receive, AND (in the US) RETAIN, the item to verify the condition and fill out the appropriate forms. They will keep the guitar for the duration of the claims process. The process requires up to thirty days. (I think it's 60 days for an international claim.)
This is where TJ and I stand at this very moment.
Now for the second part. As bad luck would have it, I had to place a similar claim last year for a guitar shipped to Canada as well. All of the above applied, but was tempered by the fact that the inspecting PO was from another country that had some sort of "agreement" with the USPS. I don't know what the deal may or may not be with the UK's postal service. But Canada had 60 days to receive and inspect the guitar and return the paperwork. They never did send the papers, and after 60 days, the USPS paid the claim. Strangely, the Canadian PO did not keep the guitar during the claim period, and the buyer took a gamble and sent the guitar (a Pacemaker) back to mother before the claim was paid. Happily, it all worked out.
So there it is, clear as mud. Put every detail you can think of on the claim form. Try to find out the COMPLETE requirements from each postal carrier. Don't take answers at face value from bureaucratic machines like postal services. Hound the living snot out of them. (I call every week, and TJ checks up as well.) And the only other thing I can think to say is GOOD LUCK. I feel for ya!
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Thanks.
I want to have the work done regardless of whether I get the claim authorised. It's a total crime but there is it.
So might just send it back to Mother and have it repaired and try and claim.
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Location: Parrish, FL | I'm on it from my end. Off to the Post Office to get the necessary forms.
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by dweezil:
It was insured so I would rather send it back and have USPS pay for a new top! Surely if money didn't come into it a new top would be the better option. OK it might not be opended up but I'll happily do it.
Did you have the neck glossed (or anything else) when you sent yours back. I'm not sure they would replace just the top.
You don't need to worry about it being opened up, it's fantastic with the new top.
I didn't have any changes made to the guitar, but if I ever send another guitar back I will definitely have the neck glossed. I love the glossed neck on my 1719 30CM. |
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Location: SoCal | USPS can disclaim any claim based on one factor - the box wasn't new.
Doesn't matter how strong or clean the box or well packed (or how blatantly damaged)...if it is not new, they can disclaim.
In the past, when sending a guitar, I have used a good to "like new" box (no crease or tears) that I had received from the factory or someone else.
If you want a lesson in frustration, try working with their St. Louis claims or Washington, D.C. last point of appeal.
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Location: Cicero, NY | "Doesn't matter how strong or clean the box or well packed (or how blatantly damaged)...if it is not new, they can disclaim."
Can you say 'parachute'? The USPS can. |
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| Dang, Dweez, that's a real shame.
@iffy - good suggestion, will link to the Carmack Amendment in the FAQ. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I have had 2 claims with USPS.
The first was a total loss and they paid the claim and kept the item.
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Location: Parrish, FL | Does anyone have another number useful for making claims at the USPS? I have tried the 800-222-1811 provided by the USPS for this purpose, but all I'm able to do is confirm delivery date and time and then return to the automated call handling purgatory.
There are no options to talk to anyone or file a claim.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by stephent28:
I had to go to the post office. ditto
And be prepared to get no additional info besides what's on the form! |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | That seems to be the only number. Remember to tell them the packaging was all brand new. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Remember to tell them the packaging was all brand new.
That's the plan. I'll try to stop this afternoon after work. If I don't make it, for sure tomorrow at lunch.
I went yesterday and the only help I was given was a 1/2 sheet of paper with the useless phone number and a detail of the info required.
WTF!
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Location: Parrish, FL | Dweezil,
I'm 100% with you on this. There is extra grief, but no fault of yours. I'll get it in motion at this end, whatever it takes.
Please have Keller copy on the emails with repair quotes so that I can include that with the claim.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Doesn't USPS pay your claim but they keep the item? Usually...the Tak that was USPS damaged in shipping to me (parcel post) last year is still under the counter at the local Post Office...I got paid, but had to surrender the guitar to do so...
Getting paid for a repair is even more complicated: Patch nailed it in his post detailing the process...
Just a few must-do's about shipping a guitar:
1. Always use a heavy duty guitar shipping carton (available from a local music store for free)
2. Always ship in a factory hard case if possible
3. Always detune the instrument before shipping
4. Use extra bubble wrap sheets to cover the instrument's top, neck and headstock inside the case
5. If at all possible, spend the extra money and expidite shipping
6. NEVER, EVER, USE USPS PARCEL POST SHIPPING...
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | I wonder whether it might be best to send the guitar to Kim regardless, I would hate to see a FD-14 sit under a USPS counter the rest of it's life.
Perhaps we try the claim route up to any point they say send the guitar to us. Perhaps at that point you say I sent it to Ovation to get the repair done to claim afterwards.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Hi again Dweez,
As unfortunate coincidence would have it, I just talked again with the USPS to follow up with TJ's guitar. The only new thing I need to report is going to sound complicated even though it isn't. (Bureaucracy is at least consistent ain't it?)
Somewhere on the claim form they will give options of describing the condition of the instrument. Even if the guitar is totalled do not, I repeat, DO NOT mark/click the box that says "DAMAGED (ANY DAMAGED, NOTHING MISSING)". I found out today (And it took some serious sorting out.) that this category inexplicably tells the USPS that the guitar is beyond repair so they can keep it! (Why? How the heck would I know?!!! :rolleyes: I think and reason like a normal person no matter what you've been told.) Anyway, somewhere there is a category that specifies that the item be repaired. Check that one and save yourself a long conversation in the future.
Keep at it pal! This can be made to work. And remember, the prize for all the frustration and persistence is a nearly NEW FD-14! (BTW, not that I'm spending your $$$ or anything, but since the MS has to put a new top and bowl on it anyway, there's always....(dare I say it?)....the prospect of customization. That's what I keep telling myself about my Book Elite. (There will now be two Book Elites with a glossed neck in the world.)
One last thing: The factory is backed up twelve ways from Tuesday at the moment. Expect to wait a while to get your instrument back because warranty repairs have priority. Just keep thinking.... neeww FD-14......Neewwww FD-14.........nneeeeewwwww CUSTOMIZED FD-14.......  |
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Just a few must-do's about shipping a guitar: 7. If possible, remove battery and place in the case neck compartment. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | COOL PATCH!
Thanks. I'm in no rush, I have a plenty of killers to play whilst I wait.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by dweezil:
I've already considered glossing the neck but wonder about possible devaluing if I do it. Value is of course in the eye of the beholder, but my Book Mandolin (with glossed neck) is worth $1500 while one just sold on CL for $700. I doubt the risk is too far out of line. Just my 2 cents, IMHO, etc., etc., etc. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by dweezil:
COOL PATCH!
Thanks. I'm in no rush, I have a plenty of killers to play whilst I wait.
I've already considered glossing the neck but wonder about possible devaluing if I do it. It would only devalue it if someone didn't like glossed necks. I would prefer it. Customization on the FD-14 is limited. I wanted to do a burst on mine but John said the burst doesn't work with the cedar. I would just get the neck glossed and a custom truss rod cover that says "Witco" or "Toby" and be done with it. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't think customization (within limits) will devalue the guitar. We're not talking about pre-war martins or '57 LP's here. Might limit the pool of potential buyers, but not the ultimate value. In fact some will probably pay a premium for a guitar not identical to all the rest. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | This is all a crying shame. It's sad enough that a guitar develops a crack in transit (especially as I'm sure Brad took lots of care), but then to add insult to injury, the shippers try to weasel out of it.
I've had bad experiences with "one-off" insurances like this. Insurance claims work much better when the insurance company sees you as an ongoing customer. By contrast, my car insurance companies (various) have always been a delight to deal with on the rare occasions I've made claims.
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by kotadawg:
I wanted to do a burst on mine but John said the burst doesn't work with the cedar. Not that I would ever question John but I wonder why they couldn't do a burst on cedar? Takamine does a very nice one on their EAN10CTBS . |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by dweezil:
Why Witco / Toby? There's been a nasty rumor around for years that that Witco character would gloss any neck he could get his hands around. I heard it was years before his wife would leave him alone with his kids after they were born. :eek: |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by Weaser P:
Originally posted by kotadawg:
I wanted to do a burst on mine but John said the burst doesn't work with the cedar. Not that I would ever question John but I wonder why they couldn't do a burst on cedar? Takamine does a very nice one on their EAN10CTBS . |
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