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| Mmmm, tasty !
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Location: Right now? | The seller has an interesting user name ... it seems to me that when one goes on there like that, the music stores dump a whole bunch of their similar products on at the same time. I'm not sure what their strategy is by doing that. There weren't that many Ovation Custom Legends, etc. on Ebay a few nights ago. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | WHOA! Over $800 with six days to go... :eek:
OK, Dave, the seller, has welcomed me to inspect the CL. So if anyone here is in the 'hunt', LMK. I'll check it out fer ya. Otherwise, I'll save some ga$ (as in petrol). He's located in Englewood, south of Sarasota.
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| Wow, from ~$200 to north of $800 in less than a day! Let's hope that's a sign the economy's turning the corner. |
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Location: New Jersey, USA | I just paid $500 for a mint 1719-4. That's a lot of premium for a carved truss rod cover! |
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Location: SoCal | $500 for a guitar like that is dirt cheap. In a healthy economy, that guitar should go for almost 3 times that. $800 is still awfully cheap for a guitar that can dance with other guitars costing 3 times that.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I paid around $850 for the 1158-1 I bought from Patch...and I feel I got a good deal...
These Custom Legends are the finest of the fine...
The Carved bridge and TRC along with the Abalone inlays are the crowning touches on fantastic playing and sounding guitars...nice examples rarely come up so they can and do command whatever someone is willing to pay...
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Location: Right now? | I looked at that guitar, but did anyone notice that there is a rather large mark, possibly disguised as a superficial 'smudge', or whatever, right near where the heel meets the body? Please, guys, give me your input on that thang, because I'm a bit interested, but that is a LOT of money for me! Also, the seller wrote and told me that the 'smudge' on the front near the waist is a spot that was "scraped down to the wood" and "repaired (by whom he did not say) with laquer". Important stuff to consider, no? You guys would know better than me, fer sure! Thanks for your help.
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Location: Right now? | P.S.
I am referring to his photo #9. What do you guys think of that? I don' know much about Ovations, but it seems that they are known to have neck issues? I just bought a custom legend and I love the guitar, but I know nothing about these, really. Again, any input is appreciated.
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Location: SoCal | Did I miss something? This whole thread is made up of opinions telling you this is a great guitar. Ask for better pictures of the "smudge" on the top of the guitar. Then make a decision..... |
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Location: Right now? | Hey, Moody (an interesting screen name considering your response, lol!) ... nice to 'meet' you. NO, you didn't miss anything. I know it's a great guitar; that is why I was interested, but there are a lot of 'friends' on this forum, and no one made mention of the things I pointed out. I did ask for more photos, and believe me, that 'smudge' on the front looks a LOT worse in the higher resolution photos. But you can hardly see them in the photos accompanying the listing. It's VERY significant and frankly, is scaring ME away. As for the heel 'mark', fortunately, the higher res photos show that there is no mark, but rather just a reflection of light that showed up on that particular photo. Again, as for that scrape on the front of the guitar near the waist, well, the higher resolution photo shows a pretty bad and cosmetically significant mar, which even suggests some splintering. Decisions, decisions. |
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Location: Right now? | Here's a link to the higher resolution photo. Type this into your address bar if it doesn't show up as a link:
http://www.pbase.com/image/113327688
The seller has been more than gracious with providing me with any information I have asked about. I do not mean to imply that he is being evasive or dishonest in his description in any way, shape or form. I just figured I would ask you guys, because after all, you would know whether or not to invest in this guitar. Thanks again. |
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| Hi WillaMuse - That higher quality photo does show more damage than does the listing photo, so I'm glad to see you taking a critical look at this.
If the top itself is damaged, that would be a red flag for me at the current price. A misguided "repair" to a finish-only mar wouldn't affect the tonal qualities or structural integrity of this guitar and so wouldn't matter as much.
I was able to find a slightly newer model in burst after waiting for a couple of years for one to show up. It came with fully disclosed cosmetic damage that was acceptable to me for the price, since I knew that they could be made new by the Wizards at the factory (which indeed they did):
These are great guitars in both sound and looks, and rarely come up for sale at any price. The vintage and gold label makes it even more desirable to a knowledgeable Ovation fan/collector. If you're serious about it, contact 2ifbyC (he posted above). He's in the area and I'm sure he could examine it for you and give you a true indication of it's condition.
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Location: Right now? | Thanks, G8r.
My, my that guitar of yours sure is PURTY!
I took your advice and sent 2ifbyC the high res photo. Sigh. It's SOOO pretty! I'm sure it sounds good too. I also noticed that there is a distinct crease at the top of the bowl, which looked a bit weird to me. I asked the seller if the guitar had ever been dropped and his reply was "Frankly, I have no idea whether this 32 year old guitar has ever been dropped." An honest answer fer sure, but not helpful to yours truly, I'm afraid. I'm sure the seller thinks I'm a psycho, because I've as him at least a dozen questions. Hey! I'm on a budget here! :p I'm thinkin' about it, I'm thinkin' about it ... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | First of all, it took me a while to 'break' the $600 barrier for a less than perfect Ovation. But after listening to and learning from my 'O elders' here, I now have a few.
So caution and mature advice are prudent 'tools'. Keep in mind that Willa has received mixed signals here thus far.
Let's see if this pic garners more decisive 'O'pinions:
Willa, I'll be glad to check it out if you're still interested after our member's inputs. I honestly probably won't be able to add much info, but it won't hurt to inspect it.
So ladies and gents, let's hear your opinions of the 'issue' in the close up pic... |
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Location: SoCal | It doesn't look like there's anything structurally wrong with the guitar. I wouldn't worry about it... |
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Location: Right now? | Thanks, "iffy". I wouldn't touch her except to play her; Afterall, who's perfect? :p If you have NOTHING ELSE TO DO, and are totally bored, for you to have a look at her would be wonderful, although I don't think it's necessary. Again, if you're really bored! ;)
Anyway, I have a bit of an affinity for less-than-perfect 'things' in general, haha. I just wanted to know if that damage significantly reduces her worth ... in the event that I have to sell the house or something awful. And I knew you guys would have the magic answers ... maybe ... She sure is a pretty one. I love the CLs. ! |
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Location: Right now? | Thanks for the input, Moody. I appreciate it. And hey ... Iffy ... if you DO go have a look, do me a favor and don't get too cozy with her, huh? ;) |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | To my untrained eye, that looks pretty benign... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
don't get too cozy with her, huh? Never fear. I have a keeper 1659 sunburst CL that I don't want to make jealous! ;)
Just my $.02, the damage appears to be finish only and not 'fatal'. Would I buy it? Yes, but not at that price. But that's me and besides, I already have a CL.
What Serge and I are so surprised about was the rapid jump in bid$ within just a couple of hours!
Hopefully I can check it out before the weekend. I'll take a dental mirror and pen light to insure there isn't inside 'damage' through the wood.
BTW, we both could be in trouble if I find a GAS git in the store! :p
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Location: Right now? | Oh, geez... that is one thing I could not check on an internet purchase ... the INSIDE. Yikes. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Anyone interested may want to check THIS out. Page down to 'Ovation'. That's the same guitar... $750! |
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| Checking the braces with the dental mirror is a good idea. The way the cracks radiate perpendicular to the grain makes me think the guitar was smacked hard against something, with the point of impact right there at the waist.
Assuming no damage other than to the finish I'd consider the $750 web site price a fair deal if I was really jonesing for 1619. The bidding might go a bit higher than the current auction price, though. |
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Location: Right now? | I think, if he gets the chance, Iffy is going to check her out with a mirror ... I don't know what to think about this. The prices on new CLs is around $1800 to $2300, no? I would not touch the damage to the guitar if it was mine; at least I don't think I would. Iffy, you're an angel for your fearless flag waving, and I, for one REALLY appreciate it~! Is that carved TRC really worth any extra $$? |
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Location: Right now? | What s the difference (that I'm obviously missing) between this guitar (1691-4) and an 1869-4? The mysteries continue ... |
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| 1619: deep bowl full body
1869: shallow bowl cutaway
Completely different animals. Shallow bowls have a thinner acoustic tone than deep bowls. Not a consideration if you play exclusively plugged in. The cutaway also means less top for vibrating, thus different overall tone. I've owned both. I now own only the 1619. YMMV.
Also, the new CL's are different from the vintage ones in terms of bracing and neck profiles. |
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Location: New Jersey, USA | In my personal opinion, the older 1619 and 1719 CL's are among the singularly most classic and beautiful Ovations. They are the only standard issue models with both abalone purfling, fancy inlay, and a carved bridge. They have a big belly and no cutaway to maximize the acoustic response and volume. They are at least 15 years old (1719) so they are seasoned and darkened to a glorious amber hue (the -4 finish anyhow).
Plus you have a bunch of dudes on this site who have unwittingly promised to buy it from you in the unlikely event that you do not like it. :D At worst you might lose, what, $100?
I am in Bergen County BTW if you are close by... I could help you with setup and such issues if you are not knowledgeable about doing so. I have owned more than 70 guitars so I long ago learned to do almost everything a "tech" does myself (fretwork notwithstanding). |
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Location: Right now? | Thanks, rpguitar! Good to know you are close (I'm in Monmouth County). So far, I'm getting about a 50-50 yah/nay feedback here. I really like that guitar and have been watching for one. I (badly) played one a few years ago and really liked it, but obviously, I am taking a risk here, if I do go for it. The price is a bit high, but evilBay has to get their cut too, and so I suppose the seller factors that in. At this point, I'd still be happy (I think) to get it at its current price, but not much higher. I did ask around a bit and the highest price suggested to pay for it was $800. I wonder how much that gold label helps! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | OK, the earliest I'll be able to view it will be Saturday. I'll do my dangest to check it out.
Besides, that will me a chance to get some fresh Apalachicola oysters on the half shell at Philipi Creek in Sarasota! 
The one thing that impresses me is that this is a 32 y.o. Ovation CL. Mine was made in '85 and, as I said, it's a KEEPER. Just imagine the possible mojo in this one... |
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Location: Right now? | Oh, yummy! Apalachicola oysters. Now I'm hungry! |
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Location: Right now? | As for possible mojo, I hear ya! I believe that 'energy' from previous owners hangs onto a musical instrument! |
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Location: Right now? | Iffy, as for you going on Saturday, I am so thrilled. I will sit here with sweaty palms until I get your report... |
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Location: Right now? | While I am thinking about it, what do y'all know about "drop in preamp" style ovation guitars? Is it a difficult thing to change out a preamp? And if one DID do that, what would such a change cost, and how would it affect the guitars? I know this is a broad question, but I have a feeling you fellas will once again enlighten me. |
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Location: Right now? | It says here that most of the ones we've discussed here would fit the bill, that is, if I'm reading this correctly. These things are COOL. Then again, I read more than once that the OP24 was one of the best ever made... opinions? Oh, and here's the link to see what I'm writing about:
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Day-um Willa, I gotta ask ya! Why would you pay a near premium price for a vintage classic Ovation and then mod it if none are needed? 
There are many other models available to drop the iDea into. And yes, there are several issues with changing the preamp... Do some 'searches' here on the site. In fact, I have an factory fresh Ovation CC54I PL iDea for sale HERE .
To be honest, if you plan on modding this guitar, I won't go check it out. Sorry, but if ya want an iDea or a preamp with EQ and/or tuner, find another model. |
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Location: Right now? | Iffy, you are being polite, lol! That would be um, "DUH, Willa"! I was just curisous, and my son has a CS-257 that he uses for practice; he asked me about the pre amps. I would NEVER modify that guitar ~ NEVER! If I do buy her she will stay '"as is". |
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| Willa - my thoughts (for what they're worth, which is about the worth of the electrons spent in posting this): hold off for another. These don't come up often, but they DO come up. You could probably pick one up with no issues (well, maybe some pick swirls) for about what this one will wind up going for at auction. Mine wound up costing less than the current bid including refurbishment at the Mothership. And that's all I'll say as the Price Police! |
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Location: Right now? | Here she is on Ebay, poor thing ... Same cracks:
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| Moody brought up that GA one earlier . It's a Frankenvation with a cutaway CL body and standard legend neck, never mind the stress cracks in the finish from the bridge. Run away! |
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Location: Right now? | There photos from the Panama City guitar are pretty lousy. I don't understand how someone could post such poor quality photos for an item they are asking almost $800 bucks for! As for G8r's or Moody's assessment of the Frankenstein, I agree! RUN A W A Y! |
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Location: Right now? | You never know what you are going to find on Craig's list! I won't go into detail here, but recently I stumbled upon an instrument that was listed for (!) $60.00. I no sooner had it in my hands when I received an email offering me $1,000.00. I swear, this is TRUE story! I was flabbergasted ... but won't sell it! ;) "Life is like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're gonna get ..." |
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Location: New Hampshire, USA | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
You never know what you are going to find on Craig's list! I won't go into detail here, Please - go into detail!
What was the instrument?
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Location: New Jersey, USA | I think the CL 1619 is worth pursuing. You don't buy a guitar based solely on the crappy pics on CL. You need to email the seller to request some decent ones, and/or have a phone discussion where the seller can inspect the guitar and provide an in-hand description. The ad is meant as an enticement to make contact, not as a full blown basis for the sale.
That said, a savvy buyer knows that CL is often used by people who are less sophisticated than perhaps the average Ebay auctioneer. For example, the 1537 I just landed was posted by a guy who doesn't even use a computer. His wife took the pics and has the email address. But I spoke to him on the phone, and he seems a good egg. I'm taking my chances. My point is that poor pics and grammar don't usually mean that the seller is a crook or the product is trash.
You get a feeling for this stuff with experience. Plus, some guitars are worth a risk, because even a small flaw that goes beyond what was described might not be an issue for resale because the guitar is highly desirable. That is why price negotiation matters... You don't want to be into something at the top of the value range, just in case you need to flip it later. |
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Location: Right now? | H'ya Roger. Yes; I agree that the guitar is worth pursuing. I also certainly agree that poor spelling, grammar and/or poor pics do NOT suggest a person/seller is ignorant or dishonest. EvilBay is what it is. I personally have had pretty good experiences with Ebay, although I think their fees are way too high. Let the buyer beware! Let the sellers beware, too! There are a lot of savvy marketeers out there. ;P
The more information, the better the chances of selling it for your asking price. Sy Symms said it: "An educated consumer is our best customer..." Oh, but wait ... he sold men's suits. Oh, well. Sigh. What if, fate to the wind, you just don't care and want the dang guitar? It's been known to happen. :) |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Apparently the seller has other endeavors locally and recommended an appointment. He has not returned my last email nor call. So my last chance to inspect will be Monday (last day of offering).
Willa, would you still like me to check it out? Or has your attentions been diverted?
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Location: Right now? | Iffy, I would be very, very grateful if you could check her out for me, but I hope you know I don't expect you to go out of your way. I am taken aback by your offer to begin with. So, if you are curious yourself, and wouldn't mind, please do, and thanks my fellow O lover ... |
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Location: Right now? | Iffy, the PCFL CL seller is going to send me some more photos. I am waiting patiently, and to tell you the truth, wondering why there are so many CLs for sale out there. I love those guitars (obviously). They 'fit' me perfectly, but I get the feeling that as beautiful as they are to look at, they do not hold one's affection for long. Then again, the economy is horrible, and people need money, so who knows? |
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Location: Right now? | Scooter, as for my story about my great $60 fine, well, if I told you, I'd have to kill you. I was just very lucky that day. But here's the thing: I don't WANT to sell it. I will tell you (just to tease) that it was a stringed instrument, supposedly described as the equivalent of "a rare vintange Martin guitar" as one fellow wrote. (Spooky music playing). Someday, when I see another guitar out there I fall in love with, I'll let the mystery instrument go. One man's treasure is another man's junk, huh! ;P |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | ...supposedly described as the equivalent of "a rare vintange Martin guitar"
Is your $60 find and old Adamas? |
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Sorry to say that the 'inspection tour' won't happen due to the lack of timely seller responses after several emails and two unanswered phone calls.  I can't justify a three hour round trip without a firm appointment.
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**Sigh**. I guess we'll all see what happens! It'll all be over by midnight tonight ... the witching hour! What to do, what to do ... Thanks for your offer, anyway. |
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Maybe I'm not being fair here, but I call 'em as I see 'em... especially after the contact efforts.
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Location: SoCal | Wow. Never expected it to go that high. There's another CL from the late 70's-early 80's on the 'bay right now going for about $515 with a few days left. I'd bet that that seller is hoping his will go just as high.
But if you want real value and don't need the abalone, look at this Legend
As to the gold label, I would guess that they were used in the early years of the CL's to set them apart, then used again when the 30th Anniversary CL's came out. But that's only a guess...... |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Iffy,
I just caught up with this thread. I've been on the road visitig family and attending my daughters graduation. I'll be glad when we all get together again!
Anyway, where was this guitar.? If I'd have been in FL, I'd have gone to check it out as I live in Englewood right now.
Will - Sorry I couldn't help out, maybe next time.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Brad,
The store is on the tip of Manasota Key.
Hope ya had a great trip! Looking forward to another 'gathering'.
Now, I wonder if my CL just went up 300% plus. Naw... no gold label... mine's an '85.
Keep lookin' Willa! |
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Location: Right now? | I'm looking at several guitars, including a pretty little Taylor acoustic and a few other O's, so we'll see what happens. I'll post photos of my acquisition(s) if and when they happen. I am still waiting for delivery on one. The seller is jerking me around, sending me bogus tracking numbers, etc. It's making me REALLY nervous, really pissed off and REALLY reluctant to buy online again. This guy has a large amount of my money and has neither shipped the guitar or responded to my emails. I have a dispute claim logged with PayPay, but in the meantime, the jerk has my MONEY. At least I have a bunch of lawyers in the family if I need them, haha! I already have a few pretty nice guitars to keep me company in the meantime, so ...
I want to thank all you guys for trying to help me make the right decision. I am still taken aback that Iffy offered to check the guitar out for me ~ what a nice man you are. Thanks again and to be continued! ;)
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Hiya Willa,
Check your PM. I've got one you might want nearly as badly as this one. ;) |
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Location: Right now? | OK, so I feel bad calling the aforementioned seller a 'jerk'. That was just not a nice thing to do, and I don't want you fellas thinking I'm some kind of cranky beeyatch.
The guitar arrived today and it is PERFECT! The tracking numbers he sent me however, still don't come up with ANY of the main shippers (UPS, USPS, FEDEX, although I now no longer NEED them). I still think the least he could have done was write me an email updating the status of things so I wasn't sitting here wondering...
Come to think of it, sometimes I AM a cranky beeyatch. :(
Photos for the curious and alarmed coming soon ... |
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Location: Right now? | Patch, check your mail! ;) |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Ooofa!
You sure know the questions to ask Willa!
I'm workin' on'em.  |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Come to think of it, sometimes I AM a cranky beeyatch."
Careful, you have some tough competition around here! |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
Patch, check your mail! ;) OK, reply sent. Don't open it until you have a couple of minutes to read it though. :p :cool: |
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Location: Michigan | What is going on with these things on ebay anyway? The latest one is now skyrocketing but the bidding looks very suspecious to me. Check out the bidders id's. Something seems fissshhhy to me.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=110399174462 |
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| Nothing suspicious - those are just automatic bids placed by the eBay system based upon what you enter as your maximum bid. Example - say I place a max bid of $900 for an item on Jun 9 when the current bid is $50, then someone else comes along on Jun 12 and places a bid of $200. The automatic bidding then raises my current bid to $210. The guy sees he's outbid and places another bid at $250, auto-bid then increases my bid to $260, etc. All of my auto-bids still show up as being placed on Jun 9, when I first set my max bid.
A lot of people make the mistake (IMO) of placing the highest amount they're willing to pay as a max bid early in the auction. You get 2 or more people doing that and it drives the bids up to the sky in no time. I usually just watch an item and don't place a bid until the final seconds if the bidding hasn't exceeded what I'm willing to pay. |
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Gold label '77 1619-4 on eBay