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Location: Texas | If there were a few original Slothead Adamas guitars available for sale at around $10K or so, would you buy one?
Or would you buy something else?
I would not.
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Location: South of most, North of few | I'd retire. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I would buy something else. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Honestly, at this point in my life, I'd probably opt to pick up a couple different custom guitars instead. I might kick myself for it 20 years from now, but that's a lot of dough to shell out for one guitar, particularly when it's not for me an "ideal" performance guitar. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I would buy something else. Dave, don't you already have one? :rolleyes: |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think I would because I'm obsessive that way, but I already have an OFC Adamas. While it is not an "original slothead" I am fairly sure that in 30 years those 12 guitars will be revered in a similar fashion to the original ones for at least that reason.
A snapshot in time where Ovation took the time to really attempt to re-recreate what they did with those original guitars. While the success or not of the recreating will only be realized over time, the fact that it was even done will (should) go down in the next version of The History Of the Ovation Guitar.
So back to the question, that would be the reason for owning an original also if I could. To show the "before" and "after" if you will. |
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Location: NJ | ". . Dave, don't you already have one? . ."
THAT's why he'd buy something else (as would I).
Mebbe a custom-build Adamas doubleneck (or a Q). . . |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Let's see... Pay rent and utilities for a year, or buy a guitar that I'd be scared to play cuz I might damage it? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I'd pay someone to steal Cliff's. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Had the opportunity last year, but chose a different route. If and when the opportunity again arises, I might reach a different decision. |
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Location: NJ | ". . I'd pay someone to steal Cliff's . ."
why? . . you know where the key is . . . |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | If 10 grand was peanuts to me.... sure, but not in todays economic climate. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cliff:
". . I'd pay someone to steal Cliff's . ."
why? . . you know where the key is . . . ehh, right.
(must be some truth to the adage, "most criminals are stupid") |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i'd rather take kevin ryan.
maybe they're worth 10k to collectors, but i don't think they sound good enough to validate such an expense. |
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Location: SoCal | I probably wouldn't buy one if I had the bucks to spend in the guitar fund. My respect for them is evidenced by my buying and OFC guitar, but at this point, they are mostly museum pieces. I prefer guitars that I can take out and play. If I had $10k, I'd probably first get a Collings SJ, and then go from there.
With only two exceptions all of my guitars can be taken out and played without worry. The exceptions are a Martin 0018 from 1914 and a 68/69 GC Deluxe Balladeer. Both of those I'd worry about...... |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | No. If I wouldn't feel comfortable playing out with it, I wouldn't buy it.
Guitars are tools (or toys) not museum pieces.
Leave 'em for the collectors.
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Location: Vermont USA | I would buy a Q. And oh yea Cliff pm me as to where the key is.
Thanks Pauly
Also a crime such as this would give Moody something to do. |
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| It would have to be an investment, and there are better investments...go figure.. (I'd really rather have a 1537 or 1547 that I would play) |
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Location: Tennessee | I had the opportunity and the resources to buy one recently but passed. I do have a "Ding!-O" so that entered in, but the truth is that I am more of a player than a collector and I have no need to have one just to have one.
With that said, if there was historical significance, then the story is different. If Paul McCartney's slothead was available for 10K, I'd snap it up in an instance. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Yes |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I'd buy one ... for every OFC member!
But seriously, no. I think I'd rather have one of those 2080D baritones made, and have money left over for a couple of warmoth projects. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | If I had the money and didn't have anything else that demanded it, I would. I'd play it, too. But I'd rather spend the $10K on a bit earlier retirement, so I could have time to play the ones I've got. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Yes! It's on my short list! |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Nope....as others have said, I buy 'em to play 'em, not to look at them.
The 2008C is as close as I will get, and it is plenty good enough. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | I bought mine because I wanted to and had the opportunity to have a special piece of Ovation history, something that was personal to me.
And I am very glad I did.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You guys are missing 2 points. First of all it's a guitar made to be played and it's a hell of a lot more bulletproof than most other instruments. Take it out and use it! Mine will be visiting Austin in November. It's just a guitar and in the grand scheme of things it's "above average" price, but not wildly expensive compared to other name brand guitars.
The second thing you're missing is that this is a piece of Ovation history that you'll never create again and could buy for a relatively cheap price. Wouldn't you love to have an original Martin Perry Bechtel 14 fretter, or maybe an original Esquire? Come on there are, and will only ever be, 34 of these historical pieces. If I had the dough I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Would I buy another?
Probably not, unless as Bobbo said, it had Artist history.
Then again!!
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Location: Brisbane Australia | I agree with Dave.
Fender want, and are getting $20k+ for repro Artist guitars.
$20k for an Eddy Van Halen look alike piece of crap?
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Just wait till the get to 30,000.
If I'm still alive then mine will be for sale (lol) |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | I'm happy that AJ bought my slothead. I'm sure he appreciates it for what it is, but it had no business just sitting in a closet. It should be played!
Would I buy another...??? well, you know. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | On a similar point... I saw an 1680 yesterday, with a Genz Benz, for $2400...
I thought about it, real hard! (it was gone in minutes!)
But I decided that I have enough guitars. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | You guys are missing 2 points. First of all it's a guitar made to be played and it's a hell of a lot more bulletproof than most other instruments. Take it out and use it! Mine will be visiting Austin in November. It's just a guitar and in the grand scheme of things it's "above average" price, but not wildly expensive compared to other name brand guitars.
The second thing you're missing is that this is a piece of Ovation history that you'll never create again and could buy for a relatively cheap price. Wouldn't you love to have an original Martin Perry Bechtel 14 fretter, or maybe an original Esquire? Come on there are, and will only ever be, 34 of these historical pieces. If I had the dough I'd buy another one in a heartbeat.
Dave My 1948 Martin D-28 is certainly not as bulitproof as the Adami...but I take it out and play it! If you look at the pictures in my gallery you can see it has been played: alot! That's why it sounds so fantastic! If something happened to it I'd be out a large chunk of change and I would not be able to find another very easily. But to me its an awesome feeling owning and playing a 60 year old piece of American Musical History: and its the same with the Slotheads...I am thrilled to own one of the #47 RI's but if I had a chance to buy an original and had the funds: in a N.Y. minute! |
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Location: big island | if one of the original slotheads sounds as good as my 30 year old 1687 and i had the discretionary funds to do so, i'd buy one. and then i'd play it every chance i could. a few days ago i performed with the 1687 in an acoustic only duo for some VIP guests of the hilton at waikoloa. the first hour we played in one of the fine suites and had a hula dancer join us for several songs. then we had a break for an hour and a half before splitting up to play solo in two of hilton's resort boats. i could tell the 1687 was sounding excellent and carried both venues with ease. i heard many compliments, including one from a lady who said her father bought a guitar similar to mine back in 1978 and still plays it.
it ain't got a slothead but it's old, well cared for and is mine for keeps. because this guitar suits my gigging needs so well, i am attempting to sell the 1537 and the 2078T on the for sale board. shameless plug. |
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| The motor for my race car cost about 12K 3 years ago; now it's kinda tired - the guitar probably would have been a better investment since I could have sold it to one of you all..lol |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I wouldn't want one if you gave it to me. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | There you go AJ, put my name next to that in your will, at least it will get loved, in the unfortunate event that you kark before me. |
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Location: Indiana | I would love to own one. And I'd definitely play it... with respect, but I'd play it.
Realistically though, I'm afraid if I laid down 10k for a guitar, God would reach down and squish me like a bug. She already questions my judgment. That would likely be the last straw. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Here's a third point. (I didn't miss the 2 that Dave pointed out, but thought he just said it better.) I have lost more than twice the value of a Slothead in one month in my retirement plan. It's all in fairly conservative "growth" investments. Unfortunately, the growth has been downward. If I had invested in a Slothead, I would have been able to play it, enjoy it, and be proud to own it. I don't really consider guitars investments, because I don't plan on selling them, but at least it would have kept me from losing $10,000 in mutual funds and instead of being pissed off when I look at the monthly report and see that I've lost another chunk of money, I would only be half as pissed and could easily get over it by playing the Slothead instead of the market. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | My thoughts exactly Mark, the stock market BS has really hurt my retirement funds. Thank goodness I didn't put all my extra $ in that direction. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Extra cash?? What's that?? It is tough to save for retirement when the market keeps going down. I suppose it's better than having to come back out of retirement because the market has gone down.
Anyway, guitars probably are depreciating assets, but a Slothead probably won't be, even if you use it. |
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Location: PDX | If, and that is a BIG IF, i had $10k to spend on a guitar i would commission Michihiro Matsuda to build me one to my specs.
I like Ovations but not that much.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Extra cash?? What's that?? That's what you have when you buy a Ford and not a garage full of Porsche's :p
Just pick'n Mark, our daily driver was made in Germany :D |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I had a guy try to trade me his Ford pickup for my first Porsche. I slapped the keys down and said "Let's do it." He balked. His new pickup was worth about $20K then and my Porsche was worth $15K. Of course, 3 years later I traded my Porsche for a newer one and got $15K on the trade. His Ford probably wasn't worth half that. The highest resale value car that year was a 79 911SC. That was a good investment. The Boxster is the first car I ever bought new and they were appreciating when I bought it. Wish that was still true. Buy cars or guitars used. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | We've got a 2004 VW Jetta Wagon TDI, just rolled 50k miles. Took it in for servicing and the dealership offered us a new 2007 gasoline Jetta coupe with less than 50 miles on it as a straight trade. We get 45 mpg city, the coupe gets 21...needless to say, we passed on the trade. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | I look at it this way.
If I went and bought a new $40k car of any sort.
I would lose more than what I paid for the Slothead the moment I drove it off the dealers floor.
Food for thought
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | So true! |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Only one way to save money on a car . . . buy a Honda or Toyota, drive it for at least 20 years, and don't buy another one. After working in all the costs of ownership, cars are very expensive, yet we can't seem to live without them.
Back on the original slothead, I would certainly consider buying one if all my other priorities wer behind me. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Mark, Tim
Working in the retirement planning field, it always pisses me off when I hear statements like yours. Personally, I think your current FP's suck because there are programs out there that guarantee a return with ZERO chance of loss. Of course your current FP won't make his override every quarter whether you make or lose money, but just listen to him..."hey, the market works in cycles..don't play scared, sit and wait it out"...all while he makes money on your loses.
end rant.....put it in with religion and politics and let it go......still pisses me off though since I rescue people from this BS philosophy daily! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I understand risk and reward. When the market was good there was lots of reward. Now we're facing the risk. I still have a diversified fund that is better than most. I had dinner Friday night with 2 retired couples and I was envious of their retirement, but not their lack of income. They were also a bit older than me. |
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Location: So. Cal. | The slotheads that I have definitely sound unique (that sweet ringing treble) if not better than a number of vintage Adamas I's that I own. They have been to almost all of Moody's NAMM party, lying on the sofa for whomever to play. I have taken them to all the gigs since I acquire them. As Dave so eloquently put it, price-wise, it's just a drop in the bucket compare to these other Martin collectibles or the like. Maybe I should get another one... |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by playadamas:
price-wise, it's just a drop in the bucket ... Really it's all relative. If you're working at Taco Bell, odds are it's more than a "drop in the bucket" compared to anything.
I think the original question is "If they had the money". So really, why wouldn't you if you had the money to spend without it affecting you adversely? If $10k is nothing to you, buy the thing, DUH! Buy a few Taylors too while you're at it. Why not, you're obviously not hurting for cash buying guitars at these prices.
Now if you're having to save up to buy it, that's a whole different story. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Retirement? What's that? Actually, what meager retirement I had went into buying a house and starting a music store. So I guess you could rightly say that if I had the money (and I did), I would buy a BUNCH of guitars.(and I did.) The cool thing is, I have no bills, except utilities and taxes. And this shop IS my retirement. I hope to keep running it until I die, and then it gets passed on (along with my house) to Jarrett. (He's that super-talented kid I've mentioned before) I have no family left, but the good Lord saw fit to introduce me to my "son". I'd be willing to bet, when the time comes, HE would buy a slot-head with the money I leave him. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | CS, you have a great attitude. I've decided it was a good thing we never made it to the Black Hills. Now I have another reason to visit and look you up at your music store.
(I have threatened to visit several people on this board and, once they overcome their initial fear, they have all done fine.) |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Yeah Mark, come see the Hills! I warn you though, you may never want to leave. (Ask Tim Chapman.) It truly is the most beautiful place in the world. And there are more really talented musicians here than anyplace I've ever been. And hey, if you came out, I could get YOU to run the shop for me for one day so I could take a day off! I haven't been to the Needles Highway since May. I won't get another day off until October. It's OK though, fall is the best time to go up there. Seriously, I think ALL of you should come out here for a visit. Let me show you all MY version of Paradise. And I just bought some new chairs so there's plenty of seating for a great jam session. And anyone from either coast could bring me some SEAFOOD! PLEASE?? |
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Location: Parrish, FL | I tried to buy this one, but was too slow. I found it on Craigslist in May. Never got a response from the seller.
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for sale older ovation adamas. deep plastic bowl, blue top, lots of gold flakes, acustic-electric, nice carved headstock and bridge, white inlays, gold painted case. plays well. Very good condition.
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Who would buy an original Slothead Adamas if they had the money?