This could be trouble...
twistedlim
Posted 2009-08-21 2:50 PM (#289294)
Subject: This could be trouble...


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It could turn friend against friend and brother against brother here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Ovation-Adamas-guitar-produced-1978-wit...
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MWoody
Posted 2009-08-21 3:07 PM (#289295 - in reply to #289294)
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All's fair on the high seas!

Ahoy!

BTW - That should get a lot of notice and won't go cheap.
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-08-21 4:10 PM (#289296 - in reply to #289294)
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Oh my...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-08-21 4:20 PM (#289297 - in reply to #289294)
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I'm with Mike on this one. 9 day auction? It won't be cheap.
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AlanM
Posted 2009-08-21 4:24 PM (#289298 - in reply to #289294)
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Yum! I'm figuring $51 won't last long. It'll be fun to see how many bids this one garners!
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kotadawg
Posted 2009-08-21 5:15 PM (#289299 - in reply to #289294)
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9 bids by 3 bidders to get to $51. :rolleyes:
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-08-21 5:23 PM (#289300 - in reply to #289294)
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They're just warming up!!

AJ
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-08-21 5:32 PM (#289301 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
It won't be cheap.
Ya ain't seen nothin' yet...!!!!!

... 9, 10. I'm out...
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STK
Posted 2009-08-21 5:33 PM (#289302 - in reply to #289294)
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with the risk of being banned from OFC forever for ignorance, what is all the fuss about?
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-08-21 5:44 PM (#289303 - in reply to #289294)
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You won't be banned, STK, but we must think up some kind of "punishment". Maybe make you play one of these babys just one time. You'll be hooked forever and spend the rest of eternity drooling and muttering "must get Adamas". That is, until you spend your hard-earned money buying up as many of them as you can! :D
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-08-21 5:47 PM (#289304 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by STK:
with the risk of being banned from OFC forever for ignorance, what is all the fuss about?
You ever played one?

AJ
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BT717
Posted 2009-08-21 6:00 PM (#289305 - in reply to #289294)
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13 bids $1025.00
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-08-21 6:17 PM (#289306 - in reply to #289294)
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Up to $2500 now...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-08-21 6:18 PM (#289307 - in reply to #289294)
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...and now to 2650.00 with only 9 days and change to go.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-08-21 6:26 PM (#289308 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by STK:
what is all the fuss about?
Just imagine a heavenly choir that finally lets someone in with some major testosterone!



... or don't...

<There, that should take the 'pressure' off of ya!>
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-08-21 6:27 PM (#289309 - in reply to #289294)
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Me thinks one of our overseas brothers with a lot of money is on it.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-08-21 6:33 PM (#289310 - in reply to #289294)
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...and 2850.00
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stephent28
Posted 2009-08-21 6:34 PM (#289311 - in reply to #289294)
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For that kind of money I would buy another one of Al's reissues, Tone Rite it for a month, tuck the extra money in my sock and laugh all the way to the bank.

Just one member's opinion..........
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-21 6:46 PM (#289312 - in reply to #289294)
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I thought you already bought one...ok, so you have already got one...BUT do you have one of these? As nice as the RI's are, there really is a difference: and its not the price...

CHK signed the 1st 300...

YMMV
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-08-21 6:55 PM (#289313 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Me thinks one of our overseas brothers with a lot of money is on it.
Taint me!!

AJ
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-21 6:57 PM (#289314 - in reply to #289294)
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It's cool: no inlays like Jerome's #125...mono electronics...
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STK
Posted 2009-08-21 8:00 PM (#289315 - in reply to #289294)
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Never played an Adamas. Switched to all-wood guitars. Sounds like the near Holy Grail for any Ovation/Adamas lovers. BTW, it ain't me either. Give me a punishment like going out with TJ and his friends to ocean fishing. I deserve it.
Best of luck whoever gets it.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-08-21 8:02 PM (#289316 - in reply to #289294)
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Emphesis on "near"
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-08-21 8:11 PM (#289317 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by STK:
Give me a punishment like going out with TJ and his friends to ocean fishing.
Nothing like live bait!

... and at $3050.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-21 9:57 PM (#289318 - in reply to #289294)
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laugh all the way to the bank
I love this line...but (esp. in this economy) have you ever actually seen anyone doing this??

Maybe Insurance companies....lol...

Hey, have a great weekend everyone!
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stephent28
Posted 2009-08-22 1:31 AM (#289319 - in reply to #289294)
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Mike, you know part of my business is insurance!

I have played the old ones....they got good mojo but like I said I would rather buy an RI and use the extra money on something else. I really hope it goes for 4-5K.....maybe get a little well deserved respect. It just won't be me paying it.

Now that wide neck that Iffy got.....I had that one marked and was circling but when the auction got pulled, Iffy made a good move and scored!
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BT717
Posted 2009-08-22 8:24 AM (#289320 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Originally posted by STK:
what is all the fuss about?
Just imagine a heavenly choir that finally lets someone in with some major testosterone!



... or don't...

<There, that should take the 'pressure' off of ya!>
So that's where all the acorns go! ;)
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-22 1:48 PM (#289321 - in reply to #289294)
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Mike, you know part of my business is insurance!

I have played the old ones....they got good mojo but like I said I would rather buy an RI and use the extra money on something else. I really hope it goes for 4-5K.....maybe get a little well deserved respect. It just won't be me paying it.

Stephen I think you have a wonderful guitar in the RI...these originals come up so rarely that for someone who has never had a Adamas I, the RI gives them a great introduction and the look and feel is good. I had never thought there was a big difference until I bought my '78 and had a chance to sit and play it...wow, what a guitar...as nice as my '81-7 is, the nod goes to the '78 on tone...
The fact that this '78 is near mint and has been taken care of will no doubt enhance the final price. I think we are seeing the true value of these guitars come back in a huge way...
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Erniewan
Posted 2009-08-22 2:34 PM (#289322 - in reply to #289294)
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Are the volume and tone knobs original and correct?

I always thought the knobs had numbers on them.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-22 5:13 PM (#289323 - in reply to #289294)
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not the early ones...just dots...
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stephent28
Posted 2009-08-22 7:09 PM (#289324 - in reply to #289294)
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Mike, I wasn't defending my choice of an RI over an original. Given the option I would always take the original. My point was merely with money and the economy being in the toilet for most Americans, the smart money for someone who wanted an Adamas would be to buy the RI.....95% of the bang for 60% of the bucks....and that percentage might go down.

The original is already over 3K with a week to go.
Like I said, I hope it hits the 4-5K range and gets the respect and money it deserves.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-22 8:14 PM (#289325 - in reply to #289294)
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Stephen, I know that...I agree with you that it is a good investment...I was just stating the difference in the Originals and the later Adami...Dave had told me but until I actually experienced it personally, I really had no idea...it really is incredible...I hope all Adami get back to what they are worth...it will be an interesting week....
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-08-22 8:36 PM (#289326 - in reply to #289294)
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The reissues don't have the center spline on the interior of the bowl.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2009-08-23 1:09 AM (#289327 - in reply to #289294)
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No, I don't have one that early. I do have a 1979 and a 1981. An excellent condition early 1687 is a great instrument.

However, I bought a 1687-8 reissue in 2006 from Al and two 1687-2 when Al got new old stock recently (one of the -2's is now in Colorado). They are that good. IMHO, the reissues were built with more consistency, a better pre-amp, and sell for a great price.

Your choice, the original for more $'s or a reissue for less. No one should say that the reissue is any less of a guitar.

Awhile back, there was an original slothead available about fifteen minutes from where I live...if I had, I wouldn't have been able to get # 3 of the 47RI, # 7 OFC, and my 1688-8 12-string.

Buyers are always free to make the choice. There will only be one buyer of this one. Anyone else should seriously consider the few 1687-8 reissues that Al still has. If you can't get a great early one, do what you can to get a reissue.

As an aside, maybe they shouldn't be called reissues...maybe they should be called re-creation (they came pretty darn close with the 47RI).
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-08-23 4:03 PM (#289328 - in reply to #289294)
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To be honest, I'll be ready to pay a lot of money for that one if I was not buying a new house at this time...
I've paid 2800€ (4000 $US) for the #125-83 and I've never had a regret.
Those early Adamas are simply wonderful and they sounds like no others.
I sincerely envy the next lucky owner of that guitar.

J :)
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Beal
Posted 2009-08-23 6:08 PM (#289329 - in reply to #289294)
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Nice enough guitar.
No inlays is cool
CHK signed all the lables till #600
CHK sound tested the guitars and either accepted or rejected from #77 till around #200
After that it was that other guy who likes to scribble his name on books and guitar lables etc. (Don't tell Mike H)
After he approved 400 guitars that were good enough he was allowed to scribble away.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-23 7:48 PM (#289330 - in reply to #289294)
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I've paid 2800€ (4000 $US) for the #125-83 and I've never had a regret.
Those early Adamas are simply wonderful and they sounds like no others.
Jerome, that is true for my #189 as well although I was able to get it for much less...and it is so fine...I have a '81 -7 and as nice as it is, the '78 is better...and I have you to thank for the heads up on it...
Good to see you posting...
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-08-24 9:46 AM (#289331 - in reply to #289294)
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Anybody see an original case in what appears to be such great condition? This guitar was probably not taken out much. Maybe a real closet special. I could certainly live with the ding.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-08-24 9:53 AM (#289332 - in reply to #289294)
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Interesting strategy . . . the current high bidder has increased his or her maximum three times in the past few days without relinguishing the lead. Confidence may be a bit shaky.
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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 12:04 PM (#289333 - in reply to #289294)
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my thinking is it will go for well over 5k ,, and absolutely agree with jim... there's a high roller overseas that will snipe this and it'll sit on a stand or hang on a wall....doubt it'll be played
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stephent28
Posted 2009-08-24 1:32 PM (#289334 - in reply to #289294)
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If the overseas high roller is a member of this board, I imagine it will be played alot.

OFC members seem to like to play their guitars as much as look at them.
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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 1:50 PM (#289335 - in reply to #289294)
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im glad to hear that stephen cause i play all 4 of mine. especially the 67
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-24 7:12 PM (#289336 - in reply to #289294)
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my thinking is it will go for well over 5k ,, and absolutely agree with jim... there's a high roller overseas that will snipe this and it'll sit on a stand or hang on a wall....doubt it'll be played
Maybe......


Me thinks one of our overseas brothers with a lot of money is on it.
Maybe not......


Interesting strategy . . . the current high bidder has increased his or her maximum three (actually 4 now) times in the past few days without relinguishing the lead.
Yeppers....... ;)


This is gettin good...lol



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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-08-24 7:22 PM (#289337 - in reply to #289294)
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Don't tell me.....
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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 7:46 PM (#289338 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by MusicMishka:
my thinking is it will go for well over 5k ,, and absolutely agree with jim... there's a high roller overseas that will snipe this and it'll sit on a stand or hang on a wall....doubt it'll be played
Maybe......


Me thinks one of our overseas brothers with a lot of money is on it.
Maybe not......


Interesting strategy . . . the current high bidder has increased his or her maximum three (actually 4 now) times in the past few days without relinguishing the lead.
Yeppers....... ;)


This is gettin good...lol



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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 7:47 PM (#289339 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by MusicMishka:
my thinking is it will go for well over 5k ,, and absolutely agree with jim... there's a high roller overseas that will snipe this and it'll sit on a stand or hang on a wall....doubt it'll be played
Maybe......


Me thinks one of our overseas brothers with a lot of money is on it.
Maybe not......
actually i know people who bid like that in hopes to scare others away from bidding ...where they really only go up in min increments

Interesting strategy . . . the current high bidder has increased his or her maximum three (actually 4 now) times in the past few days without relinguishing the lead.
Yeppers....... ;)


This is gettin good...lol



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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 7:51 PM (#289340 - in reply to #289294)
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thats twice it didnt post oh well what i was saying that i know people who bid like that. their reasoning is they feel it scares away other bidders,,, all the time they are only raising their bid in min increments.
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geneo
Posted 2009-08-24 7:52 PM (#289341 - in reply to #289294)
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personally i always snipe when i buy on ebay
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-08-24 8:14 PM (#289342 - in reply to #289294)
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Interesting strategy . . . the current high bidder has increased his or her maximum three (actually 4 now) times in the past few days without relinguishing the lead.
Yeppers....... ;)

I have done that before... A coupla reasons:

1) Over time, I decided that I Really wanted it.

2) Often when people look at the bids and see that you have raised your bid repeatedly, they get discouraged and don't bother bidding. (Or at least that's 'The Plan') So even if you raised it only a coupla bucks, it looks scary. Also they might really, Really Want It! :cool:
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-08-24 8:24 PM (#289343 - in reply to #289294)
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Hit the wrong button
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-24 9:05 PM (#289344 - in reply to #289294)
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Hit the wrong button
Been there, done that...

At least it wasn't "Buy it Now!"
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AlanM
Posted 2009-08-27 2:03 PM (#289345 - in reply to #289294)
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Movin' up! $3,700!

Three days and change to go. This is fun!
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AlanM
Posted 2009-08-27 2:10 PM (#289346 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by AlanM:
Movin' up! $3,700!

Three days and change to go. This is fun!
Small correction: almost four days to go.

Wonder if our own Willa is in the fray...the current high bidder is a certain w***r.

She's been in just a bit of a "buying mode" lately. Go, Willa, Go!!!
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-08-27 2:16 PM (#289347 - in reply to #289294)
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:) :) I think this was at a buck when I first noticed this if I remember correct. My how prices fly.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2009-08-27 2:21 PM (#289348 - in reply to #289294)
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I don't mean to point out the obvious... but seriously... in todays economy, why would someone want to pay for a guitar from a stranger on eBay when they can get the same (or similar) from a reputable dealer like Alpep and pay... especially when his prices in some cases... like this one.. it about $700 LESS !!!! I'm sure he'd appreciate the extra if you really want to overpay.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-08-27 2:24 PM (#289349 - in reply to #289294)
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Miles, didn't you read Witko's thread on originals vs. reissues?

There's a place in this world for both.....
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2009-08-27 2:28 PM (#289350 - in reply to #289294)
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Al usually has (or can easily get) originals and re-issues... what's your point?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-27 3:45 PM (#289351 - in reply to #289294)
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Wonder if our own Willa is in the fray...the current high bidder is a certain w***r.
eBay's current policy of hidding the identities of bidders is random and not usually in anyway reflective of their real name for obvious reasons...
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AlanM
Posted 2009-08-27 4:02 PM (#289352 - in reply to #289294)
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Originally posted by MusicMishka:
Wonder if our own Willa is in the fray...the current high bidder is a certain w***r.
eBay's current policy of hidding the identities of bidders is random and not usually in anyway reflective of their real name for obvious reasons...
I thought so, but when I was in the hunt in several previous auctions, it showed me as a***m -- both on my system and on others'.

That happened several times, so I'm not sure precisely how the randomizing operates.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-27 7:41 PM (#289353 - in reply to #289294)
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Wonder if our own Willa is in the fray...the current high bidder is a certain w***r.

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eBay's current policy of hidding the identities of bidders is random and not usually in anyway reflective of their real name for obvious reasons...
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I thought so, but when I was in the hunt in several previous auctions, it showed me as a***m -- both on my system and on others'.

That happened several times, so I'm not sure precisely how the randomizing operates.

Anything is possible I guess...I can't see the purpose then in what eBay is doing...oh well, seems like less and less makes sense these days...lol
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-08-28 12:38 AM (#289354 - in reply to #289294)
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A video of this very nice guitar ON YOUTUBE!!

She seems to be in great shape.

J :)
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-28 12:46 AM (#289355 - in reply to #289294)
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Nice Jerome: needs a new set of strings, a good tuning...and a warm home! :cool:
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-08-28 1:13 AM (#289356 - in reply to #289294)
Subject: Re: This could be trouble...


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Location: SoCal
Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Al usually has (or can easily get) originals and re-issues... what's your point?
That there's a place in this world for both. Is that not clear?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-08-29 9:32 AM (#289357 - in reply to #289294)
Subject: Re: This could be trouble...


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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains
$4,150.00
(and climbing)
I believe this is a record price for an original paddlehead production Adamas I...

there's a place in this world for both
Reminds me of the Dan Fogelberg song: "There's a place in the world for a gambler..." ;)
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WillaMuse
Posted 2009-08-29 12:31 PM (#289358 - in reply to #289294)
Subject: Re: This could be trouble...



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Location: Right now?
Like I wrote before, HOLY COW, Batman!

;)
Willa
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