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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | This is a long shot, but is there anyone out there with an 1189 that wishes they had an 1187 instead, i.e. 47RI? Recently I stumbled onto a 1689 and I find myself playing playing it almost exclusively. The wide neck is more forgiving of my less than perfect playing style. I'm not interested in another 1689 as I really prefer the simplicity of straight up acoustics. Please PM or email if interested.
Here are a couple of pictures of the guitar taken by Mike who was the original owner:
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Nick ... You've got me droolin' |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by bvince:
Nick ... You've got me droolin' If you had an 1189 you didn't want, I'd fix that problem. :) I just checked the registrations and it looks like Beal has the market on 1189s among those that register.
Hey Beal, what would it take to get you to part with #220? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Why not just send the 47RI back to the factory and get a wide neck put on it? |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Why not just send the 47RI back to the factory and get a wide neck put on it? I'd kicked that idea around, though I wasn't sure they could actually do it. I guess I'll never know if I don't ask. Thanks for the suggestion Dave, I just sent Kim an email. |
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Location: Right now? | Whimper ... whimper ... don't do it ... don't do it ... don't do it ... oh ... don't do it ... please ... Nick!
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Wide necks rule! My 1680 arrived the other day. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | It would be cheaper to send it back and have a new neck made than to try to buy 220. I have not parted with that guitar since I sound checked it when it was new to see if it was good enugh to ship. It was too good so I kept it.
I had a wide neck put on my 1984 C-Series, they can do it. |
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Location: Germany | I've been watching the market for Adamas guitars since 2003 and I never saw a genuine 1189 for sale. This model seems to be quite rare. The only two specimen I know are #220 and #237 (which was afterwards equipped with an OP-24).
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Location: WNC-God's Country | Any pics of a 1189 ? |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Here you are: Klick to Paul\'s 1189
One of the two Karl mentioned.
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Location: WNC-God's Country | Thanks Kurt...That's a beauty !! |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Beal:
It would be cheaper to send it back and have a new neck made than to try to buy 220. I have not parted with that guitar since I sound checked it when it was new to see if it was good enugh to ship. It was too good so I kept it.
I had a wide neck put on my 1984 C-Series, they can do it. You ever get the wide neck put on the 1547? |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
Whimper ... whimper ... don't do it ... don't do it ... don't do it ... oh ... don't do it ... please ... Nick!
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Due to the scarcity of 1189s, you may get your wish. ;) Everyone here seems to think replacing the neck is the best option. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the factory says. |
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Location: Germany | Please let us know what they say. In the past the 1 7/8" neck was not available along with the slotted carved headstock. Available options were 1 7/8" non-slotted and 1 3/4". Maybe things have changed.
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Location: big island | i do recall that last year paul hinted he may sell his wideneck, however it would not be inexpensive. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Why not contact Al and get one custom made.
Then it's your color, your specs, and ultimately YOUR GUITAR!
I have had a few custom ordered and they were all fantastic! |
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Location: Tennessee | What Stephen said. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Ditto. The best roundbacks I own are ones that have been custom ordered from Al. |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by stephent28:
Why not contact Al and get one custom made.
Then it's your color, your specs, and ultimately YOUR GUITAR!
I have had a few custom ordered and they were all fantastic! That's good advice. Actually, I already did and have already gotten a price. Al's probably wondering what the hell I'm doing after he went to all that trouble. I'm just looking at all my options before I pull the trigger. The 1689 is heavy compared to the 47RI, but I really like the sound and feel. Plus, in my opinion a 32 year old guitar in good shape has a coolness factor that a shiny new guitar with warranty doesn't. Having said that, I'll take the shiny new guitar if an old one isn't available. ;) |
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Location: SoCal | The 1689 is heavy in the neck because it has a K-bar stabilizing the neck. The 47 RI doesn't because it has the strip of graphite running the length of the neck.
Personally, I'd go with the custom order with the #47 style neck (slothead, walnut f/b, graphite strip). So very much cooler than a straight Adamas I..... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
So very much cooler than a straight Adamas I..... and that's the beauty of a custom order! |
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Location: Right now? | Nick, isn't that the last one that was made of the 1187 RI's? As much as I like widenecks, ugh! I would hate to see your 1187-2 taken apart.
My 1187 sounds bright and lovely, and I like the neck. I like the widenecks (and have a couple) very much also, but I wouldn't have the heart to do that to that particular guitar. The neck on my 1187 is comfortable for me, but my hands are not very big, I guess. These guys know what they are talking about; I would absolutely take their advice ... have a custom made.
Keep us posted!
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
Nick, isn't that the last one that was made of the 1187 RI's? As much as I like widenecks, ugh! I would hate to see your 1187-2 taken apart.
My 1187 sounds bright and lovely, and I like the neck. I like the widenecks (and have a couple) very much also, but I wouldn't have the heart to do that to that particular guitar. The neck on my 1187 is comfortable for me, but my hands are not very big, I guess. These guys know what they are talking about; I would absolutely take their advice ... have a custom made. Yes, this was the last one of the 47 reissues and I also have reservations about altering it. I played the guitar yesterday evening and "bright and lovely" describes it well. Everyone that's seen it remarks about how beautiful it is and those that are guitar players also comment about how light it is. I'm not sure if it's due to the size of my hands or the lack of dexterity, but my playing is better on the wide neck...sigh.
I think it would be most practical to sell the 47RI and order a custom guitar for the same reasons that Stephen and Moody mention. It would be a post-Fender guitar but as I understand it, the same folks are building them. |
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Location: SoCal | Pre-Fender/Post-Fender... doesn't make any difference. You're right, it's the same people.
Too bad you couldn't have been at my house for the NAMM party. Prof BB brought his custom Adamas SSB and you could have seen just how good the people in CT are.
Order the custom guitar. You'll get exactly what you want and be thrilled to death with it.
Now, what color are you thinking about and what neck? This one, 1187-7 just knocks my socks off. Beautiful..... |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Pre-Fender/Post-Fender... doesn't make any difference. You're right, it's the same people.
Too bad you couldn't have been at my house for the NAMM party. Prof BB brought his custom Adamas SSB and you could have seen just how good the people in CT are.
Order the custom guitar. You'll get exactly what you want and be thrilled to death with it.
Now, what color are you thinking about and what neck? This one, 1187-7 just knocks my socks off. Beautiful.....
Body Type: Deep Non-Cutaway handmade fiberglass
Top: Unidirectional Carbon Graphite
Bracing: Quintad
Scale Length: 25 1/4"
Neck: Carved and slotted headstock with carved heal
Neck Finish: Natural Satin
Fretboard: Resin Impregnated Walnut
Fret Inlay: Original Adamas Design: Gold Inlay
Bridge: Carved Walnut
Rosette: 13 piece Exotic Hardwood
Nutwidth: 1 7/8"
Machines: Gold Schaller
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | How far is all that from the first OFC guitar design? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Nick, those specs are nice!
You might want to talk to Al about the tuners he put on the OFC2 guitars.
Best tuners I have ever had the pleasure of using!
I think ya got a winner on your hands.
Have you ordered it yet? |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Thanks. I'm glad you mentioned the tuners. I'll ask Al about that when I talk to him tomorrow. I'm holding off on ordering until I get my 2008-5 back from the factory. I bought it from Al in December and it's been at the factory for repairs since the beginning of January. It due to be delivered tomorrow. I want to play it before I commit to this. :) |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | You'll have to let us know how you like yours. I've been really impressed with the one I have, but I've only owned/played one other Adamas I, so I'd be interested to hear your comparison with the ones you have. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Thanks Paul and Stephen, yes, I really love this beige guitar.
Even more, since I "whitened" the neck inlays. Now she's perfect!
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand | The beige slothead above is so beautiful !!!!
Look like new . . . is it the custom order ? |
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Location: SoCal | Oh yeah.... |
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This one . . ! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I'm still not sure why this is called beige (which I would consider a light brownish color).
To me it would be a reverse burst blue or something of that nature. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by bvince:
How far is all that from the first OFC guitar design? Some similarity in top color, but the OFC-I has a carved slothead with the fancy 1187 style fret markers. Your description sounds very nice, but, of course, it doesn't match the photo. With some limitations, you also have your choice of electronics in a custom order, which was very important for my particular needs. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by stephent28:
I'm still not sure why this is called beige (which I would consider a light brownish color).
To me it would be a reverse burst blue or something of that nature. Didn't someone call this "bluege"? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Stephen, real men barely know the names of the primary colors, so unless you really feel compelled to explore your feminine side, "light brownish" is about as far as you need to go. |
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Location: NJ | "real men".
y'mean like lawyers??
please . . . |
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Location: Right now? | Kurt ... I have to ask ... how did you whiten the fret inlays, and WHY would you do that? Gorgeous git by the way. I love the color. It reminds me of my 1188-7.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I like the white inlays better than the gold.
If it wouldn't most likely cause the value of mine to drop by 5K I would probably do it. |
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Location: NJ | Use White-Out.
(y'can chip-it-out when y'wanna' sell it.) |
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Location: Tennessee | I want to add some more gold to the inlays on mine. Anyone have advice/ideas on the best way to do that? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yup. Don't laugh, you use bowling ball engraving color sticks. I used to do this. Worked in a tennis pro shop and would engrave peoples names in their tennis rackets, skies, bowling balls etc. You engrave the letters and then fill it with a color stick (looks like a crayon). And one of the colors we had was gold sparkle. The color hardens when exposed to air. Never actually tried it on a guitar fretboard but I don't see why it would not work.
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | I just got a note from Al that said the factory cannot build a 1 7/8" slotted/carved headstock at this time. Kim told me the same thing earlier about putting a wide neck on my 47RI. So much for plans B & C.
If someone would like to add a 47RI to their collection, I'd still be interested in trading for a nice Adamas I wideneck and I'll open it up to include 1 3/4". |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Why not just run with the 1 3/4" neck on a custom guitar? |
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Location: So. Cal. | Stephen,
I can't really feel the difference between 1-3/4" and 1-11/16" necks. I had the 08C for almost two years now and never even realized it was a "wide" neck. I guess my personal experience, thus my expectation, wide neck means 1-7/8" on steel strings and 2" on classical models. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That was my point Michael.
If Nick is willing to consider a trade for a 1 3/4" why not just order it that way.
Can you tell much difference between a 1 3/4" and your 1 7/8" necks? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The 1-7/8 neck on the Adamas I is a different profile than the 1-3/4 neck such as the OFC or 08C guitar. The 1-7/8 is "beefier" not just wider. |
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Location: So. Cal. | Stephen,
Nicks wants to trade for a 1-7/8", that's what he wants. He also has an 08C, he knows about the 1-3/4". Yes, I can feel major difference between 1-3/4" and 1-7/8".
Dave,
I agreed, but I have other wide neck but low profile. The width does make a significant difference for me, personally. |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by stephent28:
Why not just run with the 1 3/4" neck on a custom guitar? That's a fair question. The truth is, I don't know what I want (I take comfort in knowing that I'm not alone). I bought the 47RI thinking it would be the last guitar I ever wanted. Then I traded for the 1689 and I couldn't believe how much better I sounded playing it (read - sucked less). Then, I got my 08C back from the factory yesterday after a 6 week hiatus and realized that the little bit of extra neck width makes a difference. I think a 1 7/8" would be the only way I go with a custom order, even if I had to go with a carved (unslotted) headstock. Perhaps my previous post was me “thinking out loud.” I should try not to do that in the future. :) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Thanks for clearing that up Nick.
Obviously I was the one who was the most confused! |
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Location: Munich, Germany | Originally posted by WillaMuse:
Kurt ... I have to ask ... how did you whiten the fret inlays, and WHY would you do that? Gorgeous git by the way. I love the color. It reminds me of my 1188-7.
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Willa I wanted it to look a little bit more like her ancestor - KLICK!
I whitened it with usual enamel, used a very thin brush, filled the inlays and wiped all the excess away.
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Location: Right now? | I whitened it with usual enamel, used a very thin brush, filled the inlays and wiped all the excess away.
That was very brave of you. She is a beauty, and you did a great job. WOW.
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Trade: 47RI for an 1189