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| There is a thread about this guitar in General Posting. I can't play a twelve electric. I am asking $1000 OBO. I will put it toward a Les Paul tribute. I will consider trades. I am interested in getting a high quality acoustic perhaps a 12. Right now I only have electrics. There are a lot of pics and vivid description in the thread.
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Location: El Paso, TX | Hi, I would like to have one of these guitars. I do have an Ovation 12 str, SSB, AC/EL; really, really nice that I have on consignment at a local store for @700.00. Are you still interested in a trade? Thanks, Wolfie |
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| I've made a deal with Randy username northcountry. I decided that since I am new to the site and no one knows me that I would send him the Deacon first. Once he receives it he will know that I am on the up and up. He then will send me his 60's reissue Strat. I don't know Randy anymore than he knows me, but you on this site have known him for a long time. I sense from talking on the phone that he a honest person. However, my wife would feel better if I inquired about his reputation and standing here. If you have had any dealing with him. Please let me know what you think about me doing this deal this way. He is aware that I would be making this inquiry and has agree to it. |
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Location: SoCal | Please tell your wife not to worry.
You will be very pleased with your trade.
Randy will follow through.
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| Unfortunataly Dave is far enough away that we could not meet in person to just do this trade the best way.
Dave decided to just send his along first as he is the new guy know one knows yet....Been there.... and to give him some sense of security we figured he should let the community know as well as contact a few of you who have done business with me in the past. Another very good feature of a group like this that is easy to take for granted but appreciated when the time comes that it is needed.
So as long as none of you guy's tell Dave about all the looting and pillaging we should be fine.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The finish on the Deacon 12 looks like its been pampered. Nice guitar. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yah, Randy and I go back to our Witness Protection days where we met... oops!
Sorry, its hard to pass up an opportunity like this. :rolleyes:
Randy and I have moved several instruments between us and I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him.
He is also one of the more opininated SOBs on this site and tells it like he believes it. And that is what makes this place real! |
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Location: Nashville, TN | That certainly is pretty...I love 12s...I have 2 Viper EAs ..a Jerry Jones Electric..a Hohner Eclipse (looks similar to Ovation) a Guild 'Big' F something 'John Denver' style model...would love one of those Preachers:-) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Randy and I had a failed trade attempt but it was definitely on the up and up. We just could never quite come to an agreement on trade values.
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Location: WNC-God's Country | Randy is the best...You'll have no problems at all !! |
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| Along with my regular mutilations of the English language from my sloppy, fast typing and general ignorance, yes....I often "Call em like I see em" Not always the smartest approach as some people do not want to hear it even if I am right. And this site is filled with way to many intelligent and well informed people so they most likely have already come to any conclusions I might think are worthy to announce. But never the less these things make this site at the very least interesting to some.
As I see this one; ..........Wow some of you guy's could have a lot of fun with this, and I know you want to, so thanks for being semi-serious. I hope this helps Dave? Just don't contact Al (one of the owners & proprietors of this site) right now I think the two of us are glad we don't live across the street from each other this month, we'd be throwing snowballs at each other every morning.....or other things.....but this too will most likely pass. He has way to many nice Ovations to Sell and I like them too much to stay away for too long, the rest will not matter too long anyway.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Randy, congratulations. Man you absolutely stole that guitar. Great deal for you.
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| Gallerinski.....I absolutely "Stole" that guitar? ...... I will assume you did not read the WHOLE message so did not understand No "Deal has been made yet...... and that you also have no idea how valuable my Fender is and leave it at that.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Randy, why so paranoid? I was paying you a compliment on scoring a nice guitar. Geez.
I am sorry if I misinterpreted this post ...
Originally posted by newoldovation:
I've made a deal with Randy ... Once he receives it ... He then will send me his 60's reissue Strat. My bad. No, I don't know how much YOUR 60's reissue Strat is worth. But I have a pretty good idea what A 60's reissue strat is worth and it looks like you got a hell of a deal. What's wrong with THAT.
But to be fair, I am not the Price Police and posting anything on this forum related to prices is strictly forbidden. So I apologize to you as well and the site owners. I was merely paying you a compliment and not incinuating that you ripped off the seller. |
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| Stephen, I thought it was funny and a way for the two of us to see we have a shared interest and it was a meant as a humorus peace offering and reaching out of a hand more or less.
I am sorry, I see no cheap shot? Read that again dude...I just did, it is funny when you think abot it.....or did I do something wrong again? I simply said we are not happy with each other right now..... I think that was kind of obvious to those of us....like yourself Stephen who are involved in this thread.
I thought the visual of Al and I throwing snowballs at each other over the silly argument we had was kind a funny. I still think most anyone would. And I also see no way there can be anything construed as a cheap shot. ?
Poeple don't argue sometimes where your from? People don't patch things up with humor and comminication? Now if you have a need to speak to me feel free to call me Stephen as now I am confused as the visual on the snowball fight "I had" was just Al and I..... not anyone else involved.... it looses it's humor when other get involved on either side, if you see my point.
So far a lot of my points have been missed. Sadly the biggest one of this thread.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Northcountry:
Just don't contact Al That's pretty hard to 'misconstrue'.
The one person on this board who actually buys and sells guitars for a living might know the relative values of these two guitars. |
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| Ohh come on Al, ya gotta admit a snowball fight between to older guys concerning an argument that has nothing to do with anything of terrible importance is funny.
If not, then forgive me for seeing this on my end of it.
I meant no "shot" I only meant for this to be a humourus way for us to have any kind of opening to speak. But hey this is your place, you don't have to bridge any gap for me, I understand and appologize for making an effort that was not well recieved.
As for having Dave contact Al......Waskel why the pessimistic response? Have we ever traded guitars or words? I guess you missed the point I was making and you thought somehow I am trying to hid the estimated value of this guitar ........? on the contrary.. Dave is simply looking for other members who know me and know I am an honest guy to deal with. He already knows the estimated value of the Deacon. So your point is?
Al I thought you'd smile at this.....had no idea you were still this mad at me... I was obviously wrong to try and patch things up...I was obviously wrong about the way I thought you would see this message. After the "tens" of thousands of dollars I spent through you for customs and the countless calls and communications we've had...I thought the two of us knew each other better than this......I was certainly not looking to gain the response you just gave. Meant no offence. Seriously thought it was humorus.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Wow, this thread took a left turn at Orion... 
Seems as though there are some unhealed 'bruises' on both sides... too bad...
Hope you seal the deal! That's a fabulous git that plays like budda and will give ya more than most can extract. If ya keep it, wear it out! Report anticipated and expected.  |
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| Wow now I question this trade. What are the value of the two guitars? |
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Location: Flahdaw | I have a '99 Collector's Edition Ovation. Probably worth more than a Folklore, but I would trade it even just because I want a wider nut. If I'm not enjoying/playing the '99 but would play the Folklore, then it was a good deal for me regardless of the "numbers". |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | If you question the value of the trade it is easy enough to do searches and get the relative value of both guitars.
As dark bar pointed out, value is also relative. |
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| Run it on Ebay. Best way to know. Other than that you have already asked that question in here in another thread. From what I rememeber in good times it can be worth from $1,000 to someone said $1,800. I personally have not seen one sell for $1,800 that I know of... ever. And it is not "Good Times" right now for sales... Now I suppose a high price could be possible but I would not bet on it in todays market.
As for the Fender Strat this is high end USA model and one of the retro copies from the 1990's and considered by anyone who knows the Fender Stratocasters one of the best of these vintage series strat's that Fender seems to love to make.
It is identical in every way accept color and pickguard to the "Jeff Beck" model but not his signature guitar series. These were well over the $1,500 mark new in the 90's. The Jeff Beck Models are wicked expensive.....This model has the full 22 frets, roller bearing nut, vintage pickups, rosewood fret board, five spring trem, vintage rectangular Fender case, and I have the vintage pearlized fender pickguard to go with it but did not put it on yet.
But you already know all this, you already have a guy who knows the Strat's better than most anyone in here does. Not sure how to help you, call me if your still interested but don't change your mind on me without calling first. I am glad I did not send this Start today as I almost did thinking I was being hard on you by making you send yours first.
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by Northcountry:
I personally have not seen one sell for $1,800 that I know of... ever. And it is not "Good Times" right now for sales... I have seen a number of excellent Deacon 12's sell for $1800 (or more). But in today's market? It would have to be the right buyer.
Y'all can ask MusicMike offline about his deal. He has a D12 that was a near twin to this one, and he recently sold it to a third party in an arms-length deal. But again ... that was a one-time deal that may or may not reflect what THIS deal would go for.
Regardless, I hope everyone gets what they want and are very happy. Truly.
It's probably just me, but MY Deacon12 is not available to the general market for anything less than $2500. That's what it would cost me to replace with something equivalent. YMMV. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Sounds like too many people have gotten stressed over their taxes or something. I thought Randy's lob at Mr. Big was very chummy.
And Dave, I haven't seen you this agitated since your Neighbor lady moved her workout spot away from the front window!
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Location: SoCal | This whole thread makes me realize that everybody, if they are going to buy or sell a guitar on the board (or anywhere) should do their homework and know what they are buying and selling and the appropriate price range.
Or at least know the price that makes you comfortable. A year ago, I sold my Preacher 12 (same guitar as a Deacon 12 but with a different body shape) to Iffy for, what was it Iffy, $7-$800?
It wasn't top dollar (altho' the guitar was literally in almost mint condition), but I bought it for about $600 several years earlier, had thought about selling it for top dollar ($1500-$1800) that I had seen on ebay, but decided that 1.) the money would do me the most good right then (ask me about my rebuilt Legend), and 2.) whenever possible, I'm going to give a good deal to a fellow OFC'er.
Always, always, always walk away from a deal knowing that you gave somebody, on the OFC, a good deal. You want top dollar for a sale or bottom dollar for a purchase, go someplace else. I'd say a good 85-90% of the people here look out for each other.
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I paid $1800 for my mint natural Deacon 12 and I wouldn't take less than $2500. YMMV |
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| This really is an amazing thread when you think about it. Not sure if I have ever seen anything quite like this before.
I have an Adamas Baritone I have been told is only worth about $2,700 I would not part with for less than $4,000 but that information would not help someone else trading an adamas in any way really so I would not mention it. |
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Location: NW Washington State | A nice looking sunburst Deacon 12 with case got no bids on eBay at $1100 a few days ago. So on that day it wasn't worth that much to anyone and has been relisted with a slightly lower price. Next month it might sell for $700 or $1500. Who knows?
If I were able to buy a guitar for a low price and trade it for another I liked better, I'd be happy.
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| Originally posted by Tony Calman:
I have had dealings with Randy...top notch whether buying, selling, or making a trade. Thank you Tony that is the input that was ask for. |
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| Originally posted by stephent28:
I'm like Bobbo.
I paid $1800 for my mint natural Deacon 12 and I wouldn't take less than $2500. YMMV And how little did you offer me for mine? Shame on you for now trying to undermind this deal. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I see there is another thread on this forum about a 12 string Deacon. Are they the same guitar? |
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| Now that's interesting. Thank you for that Dave. It is nice to see how obvious it is that some memebers would go out of their way to undermine a deal for another member. Let me thank those of you who are above the childish and back stabbing practices I have witness in here. You gentlemen I would like to meet and shake hands with face to face someday. The rest of you............WOW........Nice Job Boys!
The shame is on you gentlemen. I certainly have lost a lot of respect for this place over this deal. I hear everyone boast of "Community" and "Friendship", well my personal spat with Al aside................I have not had a bad dealing with anyone in here....ever......over a guitar or anything else. I'm not feeling the love gentlemen.
But what transpired in here was not "Well Done" gentlemen. I'd use harsher words but I am sure Al is looking for a reason to ban me.
From now on, I will do my best to keep my deals off this board.!!!!!!!!!!!! This Is Not A Friendly Site To Me. If an outside poster who came here to simply sell or trade a guitar can see it then what does that say about this group!
THERE IS MORE REAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS GROUP IN THIS THREAD THAN IN ALL THE OTHER THREADS COMBINED!. Even some of the guy's who do not know me at all have emailed me and told me this.
I did not do anything wrong in here to warrent this thread...... Any decent member reading this will agree.......... I DID NOT expect the amount of worthless or outright subversive postings that were openly intended to hurt my deal.
If I were you Miles...Al....I would close this thread and get it to the bottom ASAP! Anyone from the outside can easily see I was not being well treated and I have not been mean or underhanded to anyone in here...... EVER.... as a member of this site. I'd want to hide this one if this were my sandbox.
Now tell me I am seeing something wrong here? Again, harser words are warrented but I won't give it to you that easy.
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| No; Pre Deal......open eyed member of this site....
Post Deal, open eyed and looking at the facts before me. whats your point here?
Any fool can see the implications and the statement it makes about this great site! These people did not do a service to the good standing of this place....but you choose to belittle me for it?
Sorry but I thought somewhere in the rules there is supposed to be a sense of community and decency. There were some who should have been questioned or outright stopped from their blatant disregard for these guidelines. If there is no concern for how I was treated in here then continue on. No need to make yourselves look any worse than you already do to any decent person reading that thread.
That was a blatant show of underhanded tactics.
If a guy who is not even a member can not believe how I was treated as a member and himself as well as just a guy looking for decent people who like the type of guitar he is selling.
That should tell you something. Each of you can choose to see what you want. I can't help that. Ignorance or jealosy or whatever worthless reason that would allow a few guys to do that to another member should not be as welcome as this silence shows me they are.
I guess I have to see things for what they are and move on. I enjoyed this site too.
Randy
You should not be angry at me......you should read the thread and see how some people can really be.
And so your saying it is not OK to ask this group to help a member with a sale like this? Communities like this opne and guitar sites all over do this for long standing members! YOU SPEAK FOR YOUR SELF. there are a lot of decent people in here who do not have a problem with this. Only a few who are not. |
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I have seen you mention my name in vane for the last time here.
I have not said word one about the vile foul mouthed e mails you sent me or the threatening phone call. (I have the tape)
ever since YOU blew up at me when I asked you to behave on the boards you have done nothing but to throw out cheap shots and comments.
It will be tolerated no longer.
you need some time away from this group.
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| Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I see there is another thread on this forum about a 12 string Deacon. Are they the same guitar? yes I posted in two sections. I wanted it to get noticed. I think it did. |
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Originally posted by stephent28:
I'm like Bobbo.
I paid $1800 for my mint natural Deacon 12 and I wouldn't take less than $2500. YMMV And how little did you offer me for mine? Shame on you for now trying to undermind this deal.
Why would I when I already have one.
I responded to Randy's post that he knew of no one who had paid $1800 for one.
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
How can two guys trying to sell their guitars turn into such a cluster f**k ??? They turned it into a decision by committee. Two guys trading guitars asked a worldwide audience for their opinion. Unfortunately, they only wanted to hear opinions they agreed with. And like it is with egomaniacs, if your opinion doesn't match what they want to hear, then your intelligence, motives and social choices are attacked. It's the way of the world, and not unique to this forum.
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
How can two guys trying to sell their guitars turn into such a cluster f**k ??? They turned it into a decision by committee. Two guys trading guitars asked a worldwide audience for their opinion. Unfortunately, they only wanted to hear opinions they agreed with. And like it is with egomaniacs, if your opinion doesn't match what they want to hear, then your intelligence, motives and social choices are attacked. It's the way of the world, and not unique to this forum.
It just goes to show that private business dealings should remain private. Airing your laundry in public will cause the neighbors to comment on your panties. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by newoldovation:
This place seems to a new person to be full of lowballers and hustlers. Careful ... It's not an old person trying to flip a $600 deal into a $1500 Strat in a drive-by.
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I sent you a PM but there is no reason I can't post it here...
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Look, I know you are new here.
You asked if a guy was trustworthy. A few people said yes so you dove right in.
You didn't see it that way but a few people were trying to watch out for you.
There are a number of stories about how Randy only makes a deal if it's very, very good for Randy.
If you had been here for six months you would have been left alone to make any deal you wanted to. People were just suggesting that you do your homework.
You have not been around long enough to know the recent history. Randy had been on the edge of being banned from here for a while now. Now he has been. FYI... he's not banned forever. After a cooling off period, he will be allowed back.
Oh... and next time it might be good to do a deal one on one... not on the open board.
Believe me... everyone hopes you are happy with the deal. If you are, then we'll be just as happy for you.
Lastly... hang around a while before labeling people scammers and hustlers.
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by stephent28:
Randy and I had a failed trade attempt but it was definitely on the up and up. We just could never quite come to an agreement on trade values.
You have nothing to worry about and it sounds like a nice trade. Great... so we showed another newbee that if given a chance, we have the capacity to turn on anyone and become a vicious pack of dogs. When the feeding frenzy subsided, the guy who took the first bite innocently asks, how did this turn into such a mess?
Feeling justified does not make it right.
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The issue of trust is what I want settled. If there are any members here that say I can NOT trust him to send the guitar to me, then I would not mail him mine. The value of the Deacon is not the question now. When it was I was given certian numbers. After I tried to sell it here, some of those same people gave me lower values. When I decided to trade with randy, I posted the trade to ask(at his suggestion) if he was trustworthy. Now some of the same people that have given me two different values give me higher ones. Sounds like lowballing and hustling to me. When the guitar is not up for sale a middle value is given. When they are bidding, a low value. When randy wins it, the highest value. What would this appear to be to you if you had just joined the site? |
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Is there a point to your post?
Randy and I were unable to come to a deal based on some of the comments that Brad mentioned.
It is a nice trade for one of the parties....maybe both based on the current dislike of the Deacon12 and the potential value of a re-issued strat.
Would I do the deal? I wasn't asked nor was I involved and I will leave it at that.
I jumped back in when Randy questioned whether a deacon 12 had ever sold for $1800.
I jumped back in when I was wrongly accused of lowballing the D12 in a PM.
Thank you however for your keen observations and quoting abilities. |
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Location: SoCal | Stephen, you make my point. At first, you told the man that, "You have nothing to worry about and it sounds like a nice trade." Then as the thread digressed and went to hell, you jump right in and helped. But helping who and to what purpose? I just have to ask some of you guys why you felt compelled to go in the direction you did? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | nonsense
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by noah:
When the feeding frenzy subsided, the guy who took the first bite innocently asks, how did this turn into such a mess? I'll assume you are referring to me, so please reread the post, Bruce. I just did. I congratulated Randy on getting a very good deal on a very rare guitar. I assumed the deal was done, I was wrong, and I apologized. Nothing more, nothing less and I removed myself from the discussion. 37 other posts were made which ran the full spectrum which we have all read. And then it was confirmed that the deal was DONE. Only then did I respond again and question how this whole event could have gone so wrong (I chose a bit stronger language and was scolded by the admin). I'm sorry if that irritates you so much. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Sounds to me like newoldovation has this under control to his satisfaction. And, in my totally unsolicited opinion, that's really all that matters. The rest of it is nonsense and a complete waste of time.
I say let's move on...(that's what I'm going to do anyway). |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by newoldovation:
When it was I was given certian numbers. After I tried to sell it here, some of those same people gave me lower values. When I decided to trade with randy, I posted the trade to ask(at his suggestion) if he was trustworthy. Now some of the same people that have given me two different values give me higher ones. Sounds like lowballing and hustling to me. You keep bringing this up, yet you don't seem able to provide any names. Before it was one, now it's "some". |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Weaser's comment +1 |
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Location: Nashville, TN | so has this been sold ..or not..if not..please e-mail me :-)
faverettmusicgroup@comcast.net Thanx Dan |
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Location: hitchhiking | Originally posted by Slipkid:
newoldovation...
Believe me... everyone hopes you are happy with the deal. If you are, then we'll be just as happy for you.
Wrong! I couldn't care less whether he or Randy ends up happy with the deal. I'll be happy if we never hear from either one of them again. |
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Location: south east Michigan | "Now, now.... don't drive angry"
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| The Strat is in town and will be delivered tomorrow via UPS according to the tracking #. He will be receiving the Deacon too.
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Deacon 12 string with case