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Korean FF 2004 prototype?
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Location: NW Washington State | Why is it called "forever family"?
I see that i***s is bidding on it. I wonder what he plans to do with it?
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Location: Central Massachusetts | interesting, string-thru with a completely different bridge on it. no access panels on the back. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Now this is interesting.
Anyone know more about this?
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I heard a rumor there was at least one of these. Pretty cool to actually see it. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Seller says it was sitting in a case in the closet, but in response to an inquiry, says it does not come with a case. Odd. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I is i***
The case issue is interesting to me as well. |
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Location: NW Washington State | Originally posted by MWoody:
I is i*** No s***? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by MWoody:
I is i*** In that case, I won't 'snipe'. Looks nice though... :( |
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Location: NJ | I'm sorry, but I don't think that's "right" . . .
Didn't eBay go thru all the "****" anonymity-shit for a reason??
Going onto a public Forum such as this and saying "I'm bidding on this" KIND OF alludes to a perceived and unspoken "HandsOff" which is borderline Collusion, isn't really fair to other Members who MIGHT wanna' bid, but NOW feel that they "shouldn't", and I were the Seller, I'd REALLY be pissed-off.
Sorry(especially since I don't even "do" eBay), but I think that the "anonymity" of this should be respected.
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Location: NW Washington State | I see your point, Cliff. But don't blame i***s, I was the one who brought it up.
I made a halfhearted attempt at something he bought a few days ago and drove the price up a few bucks. I'll probably do the same on this one.
I like to bitch about people posting eBay auctions here because I think it brings more bidders to the auctions. But if it's on eBay, it's fair game for anyone.
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Location: Upper Left USA | I jumped in with the confession not to push others out but just to share.
When I get a notification from a fellow O Junkie that they won't "harsh my bid" I try to tell them that they need to bid what they are willing to pay!
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, SOMEONE ELSE WILL!
Ebay is way too available to steal items at bottom feeder prices anymore. It's the last 3 seconds that really matter.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Besides... I am actually a 6' Swedish Fight Attendant whose hobbies include stalking OFBG's on the internet and sun bathing when school lets out.
How anonymous do I need to get?
See you at the next Witness Protection Program Picnic |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Aw Cliff, I changed my eBarf handle to old_man_arthur just so OFC people wouldn't grab my little Bottom Feeder prospects from my hot little hands.
Then they went to this anonymity-crap.
Aw well, the name change might come in handy when selling.
Hello, my name is o***r and I am an O-dict. :p |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | I fully understand and appreciate Cliff's opinion, however I don't think that Woody's disclosure here will have any real effect on the final outcome of this auction. Any collusion that may be caused by such disclosure in this forum is of no real consequence. Hopefullly, the posts here will lead other OFC members who want to bid to actually bid regardless of Woody. The seller here could have set a reserve or utilized the "buy it now or a best offer option" but chose not to. EBay has risks for both buyer and seller.
Caveat vendor?
I hope that someone here who really wants this guitar gets it. |
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Location: NJ | I wasn't single-ing out Woody or this specific auction . . . I was speaking in "general" terms.
Personally, I couldn't give half of a HALF of a f@ck as t'who gets screwed on eBay . . . |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I have to tell you ... knowing any of you were bidding on something I also wanted never thwarted me. I'm much cheaper than you guys so you've always won the auction. I think. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Cliff, how do you really feel about ebay? You seem a little vague.
Actually I don't have a problem with people saying I***g is me. It might help a weeee bit in getting a reasonable bid but the OFC is such a samll part of the universe that the effect is probably negligable. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Whilst we are one big happy family I think that a EvilBay item is fair game to everyone, OFCer or otherwise.
I've learned this lesson the hard way.
If I announce here (for example the recent walnuts) and want to bid but some fellow OFCer gets it then I say it's a free market.
Having said that if some creep outbids on my walnut baby I'll be none too happy ;)
Just occurred to me (praps I've had too much wine) that a walnut O is pretty neat as I hang mine on the wall by the nut. So Walnut, Wall Nut.
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I would wager that all of us BFLGers have daily scrounging hours on Fleabay, Cranklist and other forums. There's no hiding. |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | I've asked and he's quite adamant he won't ship abroad, I'm a big Breadwinner fan, but not sure what to think about this. It's certainly not been put together from left over bits, the Korean neck is a puzzle as well ! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Neck looks like a left over preecher neck to me. They'll fit OK on a BW body, that's what mine had. If he won't ship to the UK, have it delivered to someone in the US and they can forward it on to you.
As far as ebay visibility I don't really care one way or the other. I guess I'd like to have some chat window for stuff I REALLY want where I can say "Listen MFer, I'm gonna win this auction and I don't give a damn what it costs me, so lets save you from wasting your time and me from wasting my money - Back Off." Thought that's what the OFC was for.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yeah Dave... I believe we have had that conversation before.
If I am only willing to pay $X.00 and you are willing to pay more, there is no point in me bidding the item up.
Now, that kind of collaboration may annoy some sellers, but that is what the reserve is for.
Personally, the last two or three guitars I've sold I just put up with a BIN... Buy it or NO.
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I guess I'd like to have some chat window for stuff I REALLY want where I can say "Listen MFer, I'm gonna win this auction and I don't give a damn what it costs me, so lets save you from wasting your time and me from wasting my money - Back Off." Thought that's what the OFC was for.
Dave That's a good point Dave, but let's refer to each other here as fellow OFCers instead of MFers. :) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Martin Financee's maybe?
If I only bid $301 and you were willing to go $500 it would be a shame if you held back. This one is being recognized for what it might be, I doubt I'll end up with it.
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Location: NW Washington State | Originally posted by MWoody:
... If I only bid $301... OK, I'll bid $303. An extra buck just to make sure.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sorry, "MF" was my abbreviation for "My Friend".
Arthur is right, that's what the reserve is for. I have to chuckle at sellers that are so hell bent "I Will Not Disclose My Reserve". Why not? If I'm not willing to bid that high, then what purpose does it serve for me to throw my $5 or $10 max at your auction. It's not like we're buying shit that nobody's heard of. Everybody knows what these guitars are and how much they are worth. The bargins will ne found by searching for "Ovatin" and "Adams" guitars...
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Location: NW Washington State | Yeah, but you guys who bid at the start are easy to pick off. I'd win every auction if I weren't so cheap! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Alllriiighty, game on!
Seriously, I know what I'll pay for what. But if someone in the 'family' indicates they really want an item, then I'll back off. Now if an item is under-valued during late bidding and it's on my 'list', then the gloves are off. But I do respect an OFCer's openness on this site.
I have no idea what anyone here is willing to bid/pay, but I personally will not jump in early to drive the eBay price beyond any known OFC bidder's capability. On the other hand, I also know what a git didn't sell for here. But don't underbid for an item that's within in my sights.
The market determines the value. Ask Patch about my double winning bid via eBay since the two super gits didn't move here due to price. That's not to say the asking price here was unreasonable, just beyond most members' capabilitie$ at the time.
I got sniped on a recent eBay 'O' that I really desired. But guess what? With patience and a sharp eye, I'll get one! It's the 'fever' and 'competition' that drives the prices up on Ebay.
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Location: south east Michigan | Easy there cowboy.
If your goal is to someday own a Breadwinner, this ain't it. It may look like a Breadwinner and called a Breadwinner, but it's not a Breadwinner.
There is the little matter of the ahead-of-its time original pre-amp to concider. It's short one toggle switch, too.
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Location: New Hampshire, USA | [Lloyd Bentsen]
I have a Breadwinner.
My Breadwinner is a friend of mine.
Senator, that is no Breadwinner.
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Brad has mentioned what I was kind 'a thinkin' -
IS IT A BREADWINNER IN THE TRUE SENSE, or just a half hearted/dip yer toe in the water attempt at a variation on an original design?
This is what I'm not sure about, it's certainly not USA for a start. |
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Location: south east Michigan | The one thing it has going for it is that it is unique and rare.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Too true Brad, too true!
It could be easily duplicated so that's not the issue. It is most likely not a single Mahogany board and likely to be the lighter Nayato(sp)wood.
If it is actually a proto presentation comissioned by KM then it has its place on the wall to us Ovation homo's (thank you Jeanette) and is relatively worthless to everyone else.
Just another Made in Korea 2HB 1Vol 1Tone w/3way.
All of you just need to ignore it and go pick on Dave or something. I'll let you know how it works out... |
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It has a nice clean look. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | From the Ebay Auction, my Q&A:
Q: Can you give some history as to how you aquired it please? We are having quite a discussion over at www.ovationfanclub.com and would appreciate any info you could offer. MWoody
A: Hi fishgiven, This guitar came from a friend of a friend who worked at Kaman and it was originally offered up for sale at their once a year holiday sale they do with the Kaman employees with the one off’s and / or rouge inventory that is sitting around. The fact is I am not a collector in any way and truth be told I am kind of a hack of a guitar player so I messed around with just a bit at home and put it in the case where its stayed for a few years now. It’s not one of the original (and apparently coveted) classic USA pieces but it is a cool snap shot of what could have been again. Since I keep it in a nice padded bag I have had a few questions on the case and I have never owned a fitted case and posted to this issue in my messages. Late yesterday I got the message below from a dealer and breadwinner owner who seams to know a bit more than me, so I have included his comments below for you. I think its great it has created some interest from the true fans so hopefully it will go to some one who will appreciate it for what it is.
Thanks Hello, I am an Ovation dealer and Breadwinner guitar owner. I was told of these guitars a couple years ago but did not realize any has "escaped" from the factory... Good luck with your auction, I saw you were asked about the case (which are not available) weirdly enough the case for a Gretsch "Super Axe" guitar fits them perfectly, I know because I have to use one for one of my Breadwinners. I would assume there are a few more cases that will also fit. I mention this only in hopes it will help your auction. Good luck! - Bill |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Ok.. this should settle this out.
Now that I'm back in the work force... I may actually have funds to play with again.
In the last few seconds I plan on sniping at $5K just to get it as it is part of the Ovation Solid Body history.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
In the last few seconds I plan on sniping at $5K Hold on, be right back... 
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Location: Yorkshire, England | All this in-fighting is getting silly, if anyone
has the funds to come in at $5,000, why tell anyone else about it - just go for it and don't rub anyone elses' nose in the dirt that would love to have it but maybe can't afford it. I've put in ludicrously high last minute snipe bids to win items, but it's a dangerous game - If I come in at £5000 (That is POUNDS) someone's going to be way out of pocket. He won't sell to me because I'm in the UK, so.... next bidder cops for it at $5K.
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Location: Brisbane Australia | It's a bit like the gambling adage
Don't bid more than you are prepared to pay!!
Clyde, if you won it for 5k pounds I guarantee he would make an exception
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Hi, Jim -
Aye, but the fun thing is, you can, and I have - many times ! |
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You have to realize that Amer'kin humor is based on short (attention) bursts for immediate effect.
While the British have refined the art of long-suffering and dryness to the point that you can't tell their sarcasm from the debates in the House of Commons!
I just talked with Miles and we agree that the winner will be the one that bids highest and that this is a very desireable but low performance instrument.
My earlier offer to you still stands although I'll need some coaching on the timing... you were always better at that! |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Happened to me on Sunday
Those of you who have kids probably know who the "Wiggles" are, hugely popular Australian international childrens entertainers.
Murray Cook the "Red Wiggle" donated his 97 Gibson Les Paul to a Performing Arts High School in Sydney to auction on Ebay as a charity fundraiser.
It was to be autographed and a letter of authenticity.
I really thought it would make a lot considering their popularity and the fact that the guitar was the genuine article worth $2-2.5k anyway.
Not some crappy Epiphone with a celebrity signature.
It was a 7 day auction and it struggled to $1825 with about 5 min to go.
I was prepared to pay around $3-4k.
With 30 secs to go it was at $1950.
I thought someone would be sniping at the end so 15sec to go hit it with $4200.
Won it for $2005.
Bargain!!
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Location: Yorkshire, England | I was just making a point Mike, I wouldn't dream of placing a bid in any case if I knew you wanted it, your offer to act as middleman on my behalf, is generous beyond words. (especially considering how much I'm sure you'd like to win the auction) Like I said earlier, if I can ever return the favour, just let me know.
The thing with the written word is that you can't always make out `the way' things are being said, and so apologize if I've got wrong -
I pride myself on having a great sense of humour - (I think Everybody Loves Raymond, is the best thing ever to come from the U.S.)
It just seemed to me that some of the comments were getting a little heavy, (I don't think I've got that all wrong) and the saloon doors had just swung open.
I'm pleased you and Miles have had a sensible discussion about it.
(I await with baited breath to see who wins)
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Yeah, that's it Jim, rub it in - that's just what I'm on about - being able to just chuck your money away on some crappy Gibson Les Paul, while everyone in the United Kingdom is struggling through a recession !
The good news is I've got the highest bid on a white sliced loaf on eBay.
It's up in 3 days, the wife and 10 kids are looking forward to eating if I manage to win. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I need to add "Titus" to the list along with "ELR" as far as best comedy. I think its the realness that makes it funny and painful.
If I had AJ's money, your sense of humor and my good looks I'd be one hellofa good catch...
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Hey Clyde, you crack me up
How about finding me a nice original Burns Marvin.
Must still be a few lying in attics over there lol
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Location: Sydney, Australia | AJ, Will the Wiggles guitar be at Riverfire? Should we wear plain t-shirts in strikingly different colours? Which colour was the cursed Wiggle, was it yellow? I'll stay away from that colour. My nephews are Wiggle fans (well the little ones anyway, I think the big ones are into something a bit harder). |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | No Richard I won't have it by then.
Murray is OS until the end of the month, waiting for him to sign it
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Location: NW Washington State | I was disappointed because eBay wouldn't take my $303 bid, it wanted at least $305. But if Miles says it's worth $5000, he's the expert, it must be true. It's an investment better than money in the bank. I'm going to sign up for one of those sniping services and bid $5005. I've just got to try a few more passwords for Woody's eBay account first.
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Jim, I thought there were plenty (one or two at least) of Burns 'Marvins' about - (Do you mean an original ?)
Have you seen the Burns 50th anniversary `Apache' ? Only 500 being made, 50 in fiesta red and the rest in white, both with gold hardware. They've had really good reviews in the guitar magazines over here. |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Steve - the $5000 bid thing is supposedly a big joke, I'm pleased you didn't get it either, I don't feel so isolated now ! |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Jim - sorry you did say an original Marviv - I'll watch out just in case. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Captain Black:
Steve - the $5000 bid thing is supposedly a big joke, I'm pleased you didn't get it either, I don't feel so isolated now ! Maybe it was... maybe it wasn't.. :) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Congrats Mike! Not a bad deal.
You will give us a review as soon as you get it, right? |
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Location: New Hampshire, USA | Congrats on the win! We do expect a full report with pics! |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by numbfingers:
Why is it called "forever family"?
I see that i***s is bidding on it. I wonder what he plans to do with it?
-Steve W. Do a search in the archives around 2004 for "forever family" when the thing was supposedly made.
Glad someone got it... we already made all ours'.
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