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Location: SoCal | I posted this question in another thread, but I'm really kind of curious. How many 1537's were built in the first year of production, 1983? We can't go by serial numbers because they were all mixed in with other US built Ovations.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Jeff, I think you're high (excuse the pun). What I mean is, just think of all the '83-'84 Ovations you see on ebay and what small percentage of them are 1537's. Yes the number is small because people don't want to part with them. But it's also small because there aren't too many of them. I bet the number is more like 1500. Just a guess.
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I could easily go for that number. I just figured that Ovation (not Adamas) wouldn't tool up to make a production guitar of only 1500 units. I was fiquring about 1500 per year of production. |
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Location: SoCal | According to the book, cwkII said that in 1985, Ovation built 6,000 guitars in Hartford. Now the 1537's were built in Moosup before being moved to Hartford in 85 (I think). I would doubt if more than 100 were built that first year. It was a brand new product, essentially hand built at the Adamas facility......
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Location: south east Michigan | Latest episode of MOODY, P.I.
They wanted me to put a number on a guitar for them. Not my usual can of worms but hey, my expenses are covered for the day. And they did'nt care who I had to muscle or step over to do the job. I just might get a little excercise today.
A lead??? You can call it that if you want to be generous. But in this part of town, ain't no such word. You gotta take what you can get and I had to squeeze Larry daLip pretty hard just to get that much.
But I gotta deal with a tough blonde right now so it won't be today...I'll let them know. |
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Location: Central Florida | Interesting thread, but I gotta ask a question, and I'm not being critical, mind you, just curious.
What is it that drives us to want to know (or, better said, HAVE to know) things like how many units of our beloved guitar were made? I mean, if we already know we love the guitar and have bonded with it because it's a great guitar, what difference does it make how many were produced? Will we love it more if we discover that only a few hundred or so were made? Or conversely, will we suddenly love it less if we find out that ours is only one of several thousand? Why do we find it so necessary to know this stuff?
I do this too, so like I said, I'm not criticizing anyone else, just wondering why we "guitar nuts" get so caught up in this kind of minutia that makes our hair hurt if we think about it too much. |
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I donno. Just a curiousity to know about the guitar and the circumstances around it's development and manufacturing. |
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Y'mean, . . just my OWN?? |
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Goodnight, Ladies and Gentlemen. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I think we want to know so when were out playing one of these, we can boast about having something that most people will never be able to own. It goes back to the boys and their toys idea. We all did the same thing when we were kids, with sportscards and stuff like that. Speaking of which ... how many of you used great playing cards on the spokes of your bikes?? I'm just glad I didn't do anything stupid with my 1537. |
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(After all it IS the "Wonderful Thing about Tiggers" . . . )
When I first stumbled upon (what is now) my SlotHead, I was led to believe (at the time) that it was one of only 28 in the World.
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Location: Upper Left USA | My Brother and I were reminiscing on all of the Baseball cards we would closepin to our bike wheels for that manly flapping sound. This was late sixties so we had seen Mickey Mantle and Carl Yaztremski (we were around Bahston) on more than a few occasions! After all, we just wanted the gum! |
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Location: NJ | Baseball cards?? . . . our bike wheels?? . . "flapping" sound?? . . .
You guys were Pussies!
We used to take partially inflated balloons, tie both ends to the fork, and then s-l-o-w-l-y let it s-q-u-e-e-z-e into the spokes until it wrapped around to the other side of the fork . . .
A pair of balloons on a bike made it sound like you were running open pipes on a BSA! . . (or at least it did to us) . . . |
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I remember the balloon trick now as well. You win that round!
I will throw in that we would also cut the front forks off of "spare" bikes and jam as many extensions to the front forks as possible. The limit was around 5 because after that they would buckle or come apart over a curb.
The term in our neighborhood for an effeminate young man was "Quee-ahh". It was used liberaly and often in he wrong context. |
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We had the luxury of having a radiator repair shop in the neighborhood, and if we showed up around lunchtime, the guy did welding jobs for us.
Did the "fork extensions" as well . . .
Had one with four forks welded together, and handlebars replaced with a blue steering wheel from a '64 Corvair . . . |
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We took old broomsticks and launched them like javelins off clotheslines until one of the neighbor kids took one in the forehead. Never put anybody's eye out, though, even though our mothers always said we would.
On baseball, the first game I saw, Warren Spahn pitched in Milwaukee and we sat out behind this no name in right field and cheered for Eddie Mathews and Rico Carty. The no name was Henry Aaron. Really nice guy who would talk with the fans in the bleechers during breaks. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
A picture of the shoe would be nice. That's your opinion... |
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I bet myself 400 clams that my guess(es)
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Just "Make It Up" !
You're a BushRepublican . . .
. . it's what you guys do BEST!! . .
(In honor of ElectionDay, I just HaddaDoIt)
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Moody, isn't brainwashing what all Democrats need to have done every year or so to make room for all the new rhetoric? |
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How many GUITARS!!?? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I just voted for Vahginya Gov'nah.
...but, still don't know how many friggin' 1537's there are.
(...must be the same folk were working the WMD intelligence)
(sorry, Paul. I'll buy you a bottle of Tequilla at the 06 tour...all shall be fergiven, if not fergotten....I owe you a bottle for spotting the FD-14 that now resides here on Catlett Mountain, anyway...that'd make two bottles...all's sure to be fergetted)
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But after all...it is a sweeps month. |
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Location: Tennessee | I think it's time to start a pool. This way we can get another 6 pages of posts by the time we get the answer.
I'll put up a prize of $25 in OFC store gear (You choose what you want, I'll pay and have it shipped to the winner).
Winner is closest without going over.
Moody, you need to put your guess in before you get the answer. ;)
My guess: 380 |
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612 (I think more than we imagine as there seems to be quite a few represented in sales, and you know a lot of folks are holding them).
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Our serial number list ranges from 1081 to 2900 something. So 1900 divided by the number of models made and factoring in the ratio of Elites to Balladeers, Legends etc, and the fact that it was the first year of production brings me to 328. Actually, I gave up on the intelligent estimate and pulled that number out of my ass. Just like most of the expert witnesses I see. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Here's some more data to go with our wild ass guesses. In 84 they numbered the Elites separately and used a range of about 750. In 83 they made about 20 models that used the same serial number system as the 1537s and a total of about 11,000 guitars spread amont those 20 models. That's only 550 per model and we know they made lots more Balladeers, Custom Balladeers and Legends than 1537s. I bet most of us are way high, but Waskel will bust me if I change my guess. |
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Location: SoCal | Mark, how'd you come up with the 11,000 guitars built in 1983? And is that 11,000 USA built guitars?
It's interesting, because all this time, I thought my 1537 was number 1400 and change of the 1537's built. It wasn't 'til last week that I realized that that number was way off.
The person I'm talking with is Nick Mackin, the guy who came up with the 1537 concept. Unless you guys have gone back and read old posts, you may not be aware that Charlie was opposed to the 1537's. His attitude was that Ovation built carbon graphite top guitars in that configuration, not wood topped guitars. But the guitars were so good and sold well, so he had to relent.
When I got hold of Nick this morning, he really didn't know how many were built and wanted some time to think about it (or pull a WAG out of his ass). But there are no records on it (I checked with Keller), so Nick's guestimate is going to be the best we can do.
I find it satisfying that I was the first vocal member of this board to advocate the 1537's (Bill obviously had one first, Al's had them, and Kim had one at one time or another). Now there are 19 members who own them, and a couple own more than one. They are truly great guitars. |
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Location: closely held secret | If nominated I will not run, if elected, I will not...
...oh, fine. I'm keeping track.
Current WAGs:
Stonebobbo – 380
Slipkid – 300
Mwoody – 417
Fugot – 837
Cardinalflyer – 612
Tony Calman – 312
Weaser P – 342
Waskel – 449
Mark in Boise – 328
Jeff W. – 312
BluesSailor – 413
Tdeej – 688
Beatlejuice53 – 439
Mitchrx – 451
Stephent28 – 435
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Gee Waskel...that looks complicated.
How about listing them by the order of the number guessed. I realise that would be more work....for you!....but we are worth it :cool: . |
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Location: south east Michigan | I would rather have them listed in alphabetical order. |
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Location: closely held secret | No problem, Stephen. Are we going to allow duplicates, or should we make Jeff guess again as punishment for not reading Tony's guess 8 posts earlier?
300 Slipkid
312 Tony Calman
312 Jeff W.
328 Mark in Boise
342 Weaser
380 Stonebobbo
413 BluesSailor
417 Mwoody
435 Stephent28
439 Beatlejuice53
449 Waskel
451 Mitchrx
612 Cardinalflyer
688 Tdeej
837 Fugot
edit: Brad. KMA :p |
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Location: Tampa, FL | ChatMan Says: 350
Just because he's a student o' psychology and psychlogizing this problem leads one to believe that the result will be a ficticious value. I expect the author of said value will pick an 'easy' number like 300 (my personal favorite but taken) 350 or 400.
Where do I collect my prize |
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Location: SoCal | My guess?? I'll tell you tomorrow after I talk with Nick again... At least that would be an "educated" guess.... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | RE:
Chatman and Slipkid - You know you scare me when you start talking in third person...
Rickover to an underling who attempted to escape the blame by saying "we decided...":
"There are three person's who can use the term "we"; a Ruler of a Soveriegn Nation, a pregnent woman and a schizophrenic! Which, sir are you?".
Waskel, you got the tally? |
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Location: SoCal | It's interesting. I remember in this board's first year, it was really something to get 50 posts on one thread. Now it's up over 100 regularly..... My how we have grown.... |
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Just cuz! |
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Location: closely held secret | Currently:
300 Slipkid
312 Tony Calman
312 Jeff W.
328 Mark in Boise
342 Weaser
350 Chatman
380 Stonebobbo
413 BluesSailor
417 Mwoody
435 Stephent28
439 Beatlejuice53
449 Waskel
451 Mitchrx
612 Cardinalflyer
688 Tdeej
837 Fugot
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Location: south east Michigan | Chatman and Slipkid - You know you scare me when you start talking in third person... I know what you mean. It really creeps Brad out when Slipkid talks like that. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | According to the book my Wife is reading "Normal" is just a setting on the dryer! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | 312.5
one left unfinshed.
and i'll only like you more the more you punish me. Punish me. |
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Location: Tennessee | So if Mackin comes back to Moody and says "somewhere in the neighborhood of ... " I guess W-2 would be declared the winner.
There's about 3700 folks out there who have not ventured a guess yet. No obligation to enter and winner need not be present to win. And we won't report any winnings to the IRS, unless of course one our esteemed legal beagles on the board advise us otherwise, in which case we will invoke the desires of Rufio (of Hook fame) - "Kill the Lawyer!". :) |
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Location: SoCal | But how many of the 100 are on topic?
Topic??? What does that have to do with anything? |
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| ..if Ovation Instruments doesn't know?...why try, and who's going to confirm it anyway?...(i just wish I had a 1537...) |
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Location: Keller, TX | Ttenn's WAG is 360 |
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Location: Norman, OK | If it's not too late, I'd like to put in a guess as well...I would think about 900 sounds right for 1537s and a side guess of about 250 for 1538s.
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Location: Spain | no idea but there's a prize avaialable and so an ignorant guess is 525 |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Can we do like Price Is Right and make a bid not to exceed the correct answer? If so, my bid is 1.
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Location: closely held secret | Ok, here's the current tally. I'm heading for home, and won't be back till late Sunday from CMS. From here on it's the honor system...
300 Slipkid
312 Tony Calman
312 Jeff W.
328 Mark in Boise
342 Weaser
350 Chatman
360 Ttenn
380 Stonebobbo
413 BluesSailor
417 Mwoody
435 Stephent28
439 Beatlejuice53
449 Waskel
451 Mitchrx
525 Driftwood
612 Cardinalflyer
688 Tdeej
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| ...how about a quess from 'that idiot who sells guitars for a living'?....what'd ya say al?... |
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Location: SoCal | Just got off the phone with Nick. Hold on to your hats, but he estimated that they might have built as many as 1000-1500 1537's. He doesn't have any exact records, but he said it was a very popular guitar and everybody and his brother wanted one when they came out.
Oh, and somebody asked me what number I was guessing? I'd say, about 1000-1500....
But that number may also include the entire run at Moosup. The Elites were moved to New Harford in mid 1984.
Looking at the serial numbers for 1983 production we can guess that Ovation built just over 11,200 guitars in 1983, or about 936 per month. The 1537's first serial numbers were 301001 (I think that this is what I was told years ago). This would put production starting in about August 1983. If my 1537 was number 30214xx (I'm not trying to be coy, I can't remember the exact number and I'm too lazy to go look), then it was probably built in late September 1983. A WAG? Yeah, but it's probably the best I'm going to be able to do. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Ok then...with a vague answer like that I guess it's obvious my guess of 342 wins, right? |
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Location: south east Michigan | WOOOHOO!!!
I get the last place trophy!!!! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I should a stayed with my initial line of reasoning...
I think the prize goes to Dave. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It was the only Elite built in 83-84, right? They numbered the Elites separately in 1984 and those serial numbers cover a range of about 750. So that leaves 250 to 750 (using Nick's 1000 to 1500 estimate) for 1983. I'll bet it's closer to the 250 if they didn't start production till August. I'm too lazy to look up my number, too, but it was one of the higher ones built in 83 on Dave's serial number list. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I looked them up. Moody's is 302415 and mine's 302447. BluesSailor's is in between ours at 433. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Ok, so I guessed wrong. It is my understanding that if you don't win the prize, you get a 1537 for the amount that was your bid. Where do I send my $360 for my 1537? |
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Location: SoCal | ?? Paul must be referring to another Tony...
all I know is that I have # 301004 which is, from what Paul said, a pre-production. |
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Location: SoCal | I was told, by the factory, back in 93, that the first production 1537 was 301007. Don't know if that's right, but it was what I was told. Therefore, Tony's does look pre-production. |
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" back in 93"
So, I guess it took them 10 years to decide that the 1537 was a winner and build a few :D |
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Location: NJ | Having a "pre-production" with a "serial number" is kinda of a contradiction of terms . . . |
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Location: SoCal | I'm only passing along the info that I was told..... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cliff:
Having a "pre-production" with a "serial number" is kinda of a contradiction of terms . . . It's like a born-again virgin. |
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Location: SoCal | true, but it did come from W-2 ;) |
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Location: SoCal | ah, I don't think Bill would qualify as a born again virgin..... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Is that statement based on research, Jeff? |
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Location: SoCal | or personal experience? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
but, if you go long enough without, your virginity grows back. And, apparently, you don't go blind either. :D |
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Meets every Wednesday 8pm for Star Wars discussion and jelly sandwhiches in Scotty's basement. |
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Location: Tennessee | OK. Just back to California after a trip to Florida this week. So who's the winner, Mike O? Looks that way from our offical scribe's list. Mike, send an email to me at stonebobbo@gmail.com and we'll arrange for your grand prize package and lovely parting gifts. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | No, Stoney. You have to compare the question, "How many 1537s were built in the first year of production, 1983?" with the answer "Nick said they may have built as many as 1000-1500". Moody doesn't say that Nick told him how many were built in both 1983 and 84, but that's how I read it. If we subtract the 750 or so made in 1984, there were 250 to 750 made in 1983. That puts most of us in the winner's circle. It also makes more sense that they made less in 83, a partial year, than they made in a full year of production in 1984.
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Location: SoCal | Mark, there was never a full year of production for the 1537's. At least, that's my guess. Based upon serial numbers for 1983 which tells us approximately how many guitars were built for that year, and figuring that production of the 1537's started in August (again, based upon serial numbers and averages), it looks like as many 750 may have been built that first year, although that's just a best guess.
I'm starting to think that there never was a full year of production of the 1537's. Nick said that in mid 1984 production moved from Mooseup to New Hartford. That's when the guitars were changed (rosewood fingerboards, ivroid binding, etc.). If production started in August 1983 and ended when moved in the summer of 1984, then production only lasted for 10-11 months.
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Location: Norman, OK | I'll accept whatever the official ruling is. :) My answer was for what I figured the the total number of 1537's in existance would have been for the full three years of production, figuring they ran about 300 a year, and about 250 for the one year they made 12 string 1538s. Just my guess at what it would take to run a profitable production quantity.
Let me know if I'm still the winner, and thanks for letting me play
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Location: Boise, Idaho | C'mon, Moody. It was 328. I am just surprised that they would have made so many so soon, unless they liked the prototypes so much they knew it would outsell the other models. Sounds like they may have been a lot less rare than some of the other models made in 83-84. Does the figure for Elites made in 1984 include something other than 1537s and 1547s? We know from the serial number list that there were about 750 Elites made in 1984. |
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Location: SoCal | This is all a great guessing game without enough hard evidence to take it to court. If 750 were built in 1984, then anywhere from 250-750 were built in 1983. Can't come closer than that. You know, in thinking about it, I'll bet the number is closer to 250-500.
I'm just facinated that the total production time for the 1537's was actually less than a year..... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm telling you it's 328. I'm just great at picking numbers. That's why I win the lottery all the time. |
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Location: SoCal | I've got a buddy of mine with whom I used to go to Dodger stadium. We'd make guesses as to how many were in attendence. He'd usually be within about 50 of the correct number. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I guess that it can be safely said that the "cool" ones are going to be the Moosup made ones with the wood binding. I got no idea on the number Paul, that's why I sent you to Nick. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | What's really funny...after 170 posts, we are no closer to the actual number.
it's the journey, I guess. Not the destination. |
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Location: boulder | Heck, I am still not really sure what we were guessing about.
But my friend harvey, he's a pooka, he wondered how many 1337's, (the acoustic version) were ever made?? |
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Location: North Texas | I wish I cared, but I'll guess anyway. 487 |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Sorry Mark, but you are wrong about this. There were 428 made.
Sometimes you just need to accept the obvious. :p |
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Location: Tennessee | the "cool" ones are going to be the Moosup made ones with the wood binding. That's the ones I thought we were counting. I had no idea they made them without the wood binding.
I'll stand by with the prize money while our expert panel of judges determine the winner. Either that or its OFC picks for all entrants. ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I guess I don't care how many were made. Thanks to Noah, I have one. I should have bought the one for $150 off ebay today. Who cares about a guitar that sells for $150? They are everywhere. |
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Location: SoCal | 1337's???
I've never heard of or seen one of these. I wouldn't doubt tho', that a few were built.... |
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Location: boulder | I think if you go to jerome's site, and look in the brochures, for whatever year lists the elite 1537, it lists the 1337 has the acoustic only version. Plus th price list guide in the reference section here at OFC has the 1337 made for same years as 1537 (maybe it's just 1984, to lazy to double check).
But how many have the wood curfling holding the top to the bowl? keep on keeping on |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by fugot:
I think if you go to jerome's site, and look in the brochures, for whatever year lists the elite 1537, it lists the 1337 has the acoustic only version. And then there's the faux 1537's which have 2 wooden knobs. But in fact have no electronics inside and are strictly acoustic only ;) |
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Location: SoCal | I just got off the phone with Nick Mackin, who was one of the main guys behind the 1537's. He told me the following:
1. R&D started in March 1979
2. The first 18, which were prototypes, were built in the last quarter of 1982
3. Production started in January 1983. 5 were built that month.
4. 13 were built in February and 40 in March.
5. A total of 1082 were built in 1983.
6. The production of 1537's continued in Moosup during 1984, building 20-25 per month.
7. Production moved to New Hartford in 1985.
So now we know that 1082 were built in 1983 and between 240 and 300 were built in 1984, for a total not exceeding about 1400 total production of 1537's. |
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Location: NJ | Okay, . . . s'where's the 18 prototypes?? |
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Location: SoCal | Ask Bill..... |
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Location: Central Florida | Doesn't Glen Campbell have proto #1? |
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Location: SoCal | Glen and Bill have the first production prototypes. I'm guessing that the very first 18 may have been guitars that had Adamas binding and headstock, or that were built and discarded. I know where several of the Adamas style prototypes are. |
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Location: SoCal | 2. The first 18, which were prototypes, were built in the last quarter of 1982
3. Production started in January 1983. 5 were built that month.
So mine must have been made at the New Years eve party? :rolleyes: |
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Location: Tennessee | Closest without going over ... MikeO -- 900! I'll declare him the winner unless you dems and reps out there want to make it into a pissing match and federal court case, in which case, I claim all the lawyers here on the board as counsel for my side, and I hire Moody as the muscle. :cool:
Mike, shoot me an email at stonebobbo@gmail.com and I'll arrange for your prize to get to you. Go take a look at the OFC store and decide what you'd like. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Like any good republican, I demand a recount. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I was just testing you. Speaking of recounts, how close does a vote have to be to demand a recount? Does 403-3 qualify? Dave |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The first 18 would be exactly like the rest of production I'd think so they're out there somewhere. There were a few with the Adamas ring, Sam has/had one of these. It would include the cty and 12 strings. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
What's a "good republican"? An Oxymoron?
Dead?
Roman?
or any one of these...
25 rules for being a good republican
What you must believe to ....
Or 32 Rules for being a good republican
Or you may want to compare Democrats to Republicans.... |
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