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Location: SoCal | On this one, is this the textured top? Other than the epaulets, looks a lot like the U681T
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Did they get permission from Nike for the swoosh?
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Location: Upper Left USA | I like both. I prefer the walnut epaulet 12 fret one. It opens up the custom order market!
It's all acoustic!
My guess is that the it has the same neck as the U681T because of programming of the Cutting machine. Looks like Woven tops are the choice from Adamas now.
What are the MSRPs?
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Location: SoCal | Did they get permission from Nike for the swoosh?
used it on the 2005 Collectors |
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Location: SE Michigan | I like the look of the 12 fretter although the epaulets are bit of a negative, but I like them better than the standard multi-tone epaulets. I also notice that it appears to have the thin-line pickup, or is this something new?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Tonight we had chocolate fudge cake and I got a bunch of it on the granite countertop. Son of a bitch if it didn't look just like the epaulets on the 12 fretter. Dave |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | These are definetly, in terms of style, a step in the right direction. The Adamas style is evolving. I hope the swoosh becomes more oval and that they lose the walnut epaulette. They should really look at what they did on kaki king's guitar. |
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Location: East Tennessee | As posted by Standingovation;
Tonight we had chocolate fudge cake and I got a bunch of it on the granite countertop. Son of a bitch if it didn't look just like the epaulets on the 12 fretter. Dave
I'll bet the cake tasted better. :D
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by alpep:
I have all the specs in pdf form I am trying to figure out a way to post them there is no way I have the time or energy to retype them all for all these guitars. Some PDF's have selectable text. There is a text selection tool at the top of Adobe Reader. From there, you can cut and paste.
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Location: Tennessee | I also notice that it appears to have the thin-line pickup, or is this something new? The 12 fret looks to be an acoustic only model as I don't see any telltales signs of preamps. The 14 fret with OP looks to have an OPP.
I liked the look of the cateye when I saw it on the tour (it had a cool eyebrow thing going on). But then again, I also have a Ric and a Surfcaster with cateyes so there you go.
Tonight we had chocolate fudge cake and I got a bunch of it on the granite countertop. Son of a bitch if it didn't look just like the epaulets on the 12 fretter. Cool ... now we have cake with our ice cream! |
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2080-NWT
6-Sring Acoustic/Electric
Natural Weave Top
Woven Carbon Graphite
LX Scalloped Bracing
Deep Contour
Aluminum Tear Drop Sound Hole Treatment
2-Piece Walnut
Advanced Neck System
with 2-Way Adjustment Rod
Natural Satin Urethane
1 11/16”
Deluxe Grade Ebony
Pearl 12th Fret “Contour” Inlay
25 ¼”
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Satin Chrome with Black Buttons
Ovation OPP: Original Patented Pickup
Ovation VIP System
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www.ovationguitars.com
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2080-NWT
Debuting in early 2006, Ovation’s
new Adamas “2080” combines new
technology and a new look for this
top-of-the line family of carbon fiber
top guitars. Featuring an ultra-light
carbon fiber composite top and the
new Deep Contour bowl, the 2080 is
engineered to push out tremendous
acoustic energy and balanced tone.
A new aluminum and ebony trimmed,
teardrop shaped sound hole adds a
whole new aesthetic vibe to the Adamas
line up.
Plugged in the 2080 is powered by
Ovation’s new VIP, “Virtual Image
Processing”, preamp that replicates
the sound of high-end microphones in
a studio recording environment. Players
can finally bring that great studio
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1680-NWT
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Name: Adamas Premier
Model: 1680-NWT
Type: 6-Sring Acoustic/Electric
Finish: Natural Weave Top
Top: Woven Carbon Graphite
Bracing: LX Scalloped Bracing
Body: Deep Non-Cutaway
Epaulets: Solid Walnut
Neck: 2-Piece Walnut, 12 Fret-to-Body
Neck Adjustment: Dual Action Truss Rod
Neck Finish: Natural Satin Urethane
Nut Width: 1 3/4”
Fingerboard: Deluxe Grade Ebony
Inlays: Mother of Pearl Adamas I Style
Scale Length: 25 ¼”
Bridge: Ebony
Machines: Gold with Ebony Buttons
Pickup: Ovation OPP: Original Patented Pickup
Electronics: Ovation VIP System
Case: 9158-0
Ovation’s new Adamas Premier
blends both classic and brand new
technology for a unique configura-
tion of features. An ultra-light carbon
fiber composite top, supported by
the traditional Adamas “suspended
ring”, provides an extremely thin and
responsive soundboard. It’s 12-fret-
to-body design and deep bowl also
contribute to the Premier’s big acous-
tic sound.
This new Adamas, model 1680-NWT,
is also equipped with Ovation’s new
VIP -“Virtual Image Processing”-
preamp which reproduces the same
sound session players get playing into
a great mic, in a great room. Now
stunning, studio-quality acoustic per-
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Location: boulder | al,
I don't care what they say about you, you rock. The teardrop (2080) adamas sounds better in person then it looks in pictures, imho. But I like the look of it. I really, really liked the feel and tone when I played it on tour. My week was made seeing these pics and knowing mothership will be building them.
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| "but no contour bowl? curious as to why not."
Aren't the contour bowls all cutaways up til now? Are they designing a contour non-cutaway or will it always be a traditional roundback?
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Don't like the teardrop thing at all Just curious, does that mean you prefer the figleaf epaulettes? Since the sound has to come out from a hole or holes somewhere, it seems our available Adamas choices are between these two. When people say they like or don't like the teardrop, should I assume that means they like it better than the epaulettes or like the epaulettes better than the tear drop? Or, are they just speaking of the tear drop alone, without comparing it to the epaulettes? |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I like the teardrop.
Don't like the walnut epaulet in the slightest on the other one. IMHO the color just doesn't work with the color and pattern look of the top.
I'm more interested in finding out about the VIP preamp system. Details...I need details. The only thing I know (from the last tour when they let on something new in preamps was coming) was that it won't drop into the old guitars. Just have to wait and hear...
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Waskel:
I'm guessing it means he doesn't like the teardrop.
But he's British, so he could mean something else entirely. I heard that 'teardrop' is a British euphamism for 'TMG.' Why he'd post that in this thread is beyond me.
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| It means I don't like the teardrop. Very smart my little furry friend.
I do like the epaulets whether they are chocolate fudge or strangely gay.
But to answer the question - I don't like the teardrop period. Even if I hated the epaulets I still wouldn't like the Two Man Group, sorry, teardrop.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It took me almost 30 years to get used to having those holes in the wrong place. Then they go and change it. In 2035 I'll be willing to accept the teardrop. Put it on your calendars. In fact Brad can just design a calendar for 2035. By then I'll get around to sending in those pictures I was going to send him before I ordered the 2006 calendar. |
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Location: nyc area | On thursday, I went up to the webster theater in hartford to do final sound testing on the vip through the large sound sytem at the theater... The system uses recorded sound images of various ovation guitars recorded with various high and mid level mics in a pro recording studio.. the system has 5 images that can be blended with the op pro pickup/preamp system..I was very, very impressed! blending in the images bring a natural, unamplified acoustic sound into the mix, in a word, beatiful!
I also tested the new op pro preamp... its a winner!! more gain, plus a slider control that bring in a compressor for more sustain and fatness... there is also a low end exciter control that brings in warmth and depth.. i feel ovation is at the top of their game right now.. new bowl, neck design, bracing and electronics!! |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | Hey lets buy the poor Russian school kid a 2080. Well I am in for $10.
Really though if that thing sound and plays like it looks, I am in for the full price. That is if it is not too much. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | A compressor in the on board pre-amp. Wow! |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by mattsmith:
On thursday, I went up to the webster theater in hartford to do final sound testing on the vip through the large sound sytem at the theater Any thoughts on the VIP compared and contrasted with a DTAR MamaBear or a Fishman Aura?
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I REALLY like the slot head one. It would really look good in the cobalt blue, with birdseye maple epaulets |
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Location: nyc area | i'm not familar with the datar system, but i believe the vip system is based on the same technology as the aura |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by mattsmith:
i believe the vip system is based on the same technology as the aura Do you mean that literally, as in Ovation has licensed technology from Fishman?
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Location: USA | I like both, but prefer the second one. I am more a fan of the cut aways... but Im not digging the swoosh. Still, 2 beautiful guitars.
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Does this VIP Pick Up System have 6 individual piezos, like the original pick up???
Why the thinline pics or is this a refinement of the original pick up rumored at the '05 tour ???
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Location: SoCal | Anybody notice that the bracing pattern on both Adamii is the X scalloped pattern? Not the traditional quintad (basically A) bracing? Everything new in Ovation is using the scalloped X. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It will be interesting to see how the 1680 sounds compared to the U681. I don't understand the 2-piece neck thing unless it's just for cost savings. Dave |
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Location: south east Michigan | I hope it's not a cost factor. At that price level the 5 pc neck can't make a big difference. |
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Location: Tennessee | Many of the Adamii have come with the 2-piece walnut necks ... I always thought it was considered an upgrade from the standard 5 piece "Ovation" necks. |
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| Don't shoot me! I have to disagree with many of the statements regarding the looks of the new models. Adamas, to me, is in danger of becoming the retro company. So many of you love the old models, but that's really a danger if a company keeps looking backwards. I was stunned to see how much the new slothead model looks like one of the anniversay issues. For me, and I know it's just opinion, the Adamas teardrop model is much more interesting. It's great to see them making a model that uses Graphite and tries to find a design the brings them into this century, as opposed to looking backwards and trying to make a product with alternate materials look like a quasi wooden guitar. I'm not sure if it's just the picture, but the new slothead looks like someone pasted on 2 pieces of wood on the top (the color of the eps do not appear to blend all that well with the top). Of course, actually seeing is believing. Moreover, hearing is believing. To see and hear them in person could bring me to the opposite conclusion. I like the boldness of the new teardrop to be different and maybe truer to the vibe of the graphite. Don't shoot! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | English, I agree and disagree.
The U681 re-issue last year was not a "re-issue". They had never made a 12-fret wideneck slothead and the U681 was a huge step forward towards finally making a "players" guitar where the 1st priority was acoustic sound. It was so successful that it launched a new permanent model, the 1680. The only problem with the 1680 is that it's fucking ugly as hell. Once the factory gets tired of people special ordering them without the epaulets, they'll probably wise up and change the look. The 2080 is nice looking and a bold new move into the future. It's time to finally retire the fig leaves. BUT, I also think it is important to offer "retro" models or at least ones that resemble the roots your company is founded on. That's why it is so nice to see Ovation finally get the message and bring back deep bowls. You can't drop the old stuff entirely. Look at Martin - their best selling model looks exactly like it has for the last 50 years. Dave |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Boy - this thread has taken a very interesting turn. I see both sides and, very honestly, would have a very hard time disagreeing with either. I very much like the new but, as Dave points out with the Martin reference, tried and true can be pretty damn reasonable as well if the original (whether it be 1890 or 1990) was worthy.
Is it a question of aesthetics (which can be updated at will) vs sound (good sound is good sound is good sound, you can't really screw too much with it r it's not so good anymore)? |
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Location: SoCal | This scares me, but I'm publicly agreeing with everything Dave just said. And I really think the epaulets on the 12 fret slothead are ugly beyond belief.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I really think the epaulets on the 12 fret slothead are ugly beyond belief. I hereby decree that from this day forward we all shall refrain from calling the soundhole decorations on the 1680 "epaulets". From here on let them be know as "shitlets". For those who do not like to cus, just call them "the brown stuff around the holes".
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Location: NJ | I prefer "SkidMarks".
I'm ambivilent on the CatEye guitar. Don't love it, or hate it. It sounds/plays well and would probably make a great gig guitar, but I wouldn't get a chubby over it . . .
The SlotHead I like . . . san epaulets.
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| The shitlets (which I actually quite like) would look better on a ruby finish.
It doesn't seem very fair on those who bought U681 as a limited edition for them to then put into production virtually the same guitar with a way better pre-amp set-up. Not very nice of them at all.
No excuse for a 2 piece neck. No excuses at all.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Schroeder, the 1680 is actually pretty different from the U681. The 12-fret wideneck design is common but there are a lot of differenes under the bonnet. Different top (NCW), different bracing pattern (LX), different neck (2 pc. walnut), different electronics (VIP), different sound hole decoration (shitlets). I don't think U681 owners should feel slighted at all. They certainly got a better looking guitar and (who knows?) maybe better sounding as well. Dave |
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Did anybody play anything remotely like this at the last OFC?
I think the Ute is the dog's bollocks as we say in this part of the world (tho not in front of the preacher). The more I play it the better it gets - it is just utterly fantastic. I don't play any of my other guitars anymore.
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Location: Orlando, FL | I actually like the traditional shitlets (not to fond of the new one color jobs), I think it's a nice visual escape from the traditional "big hole in the middle" or "holette" as I like to call it, which is bad on an Adamas, because an A holette is just wrong. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by schroeder:
I think the Ute is the dog's bollocks as we say in this part of the world (tho not in front of the preacher). The more I play it the better it gets - it is just utterly fantastic. I don't play any of my other guitars anymore. Uh, Jeff... I think you may have a problem here... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Guys, You are getting this all confused.
The nice 9 piece soundhole decoration made of exotic woods (ala original adamas models) are called EPAULETS.
The cheapened 5 piece soundhole decorations of recent vintage elites, U681, and celebrity are called CHEAPLETS.
The monotone brown soundhole decorations of the 1680 (leftover parts from 03 collector?)are called SHITLETS.
Is it asking too much to please keep this straight?
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Location: Upper Left USA | And I thought I was getting Applets and Cotlets for Christmas.
What are the stealthy naked ones on the Elite T and certain custom orders called?
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Location: Orlando, FL | Dave, Thanks for the clarification. I don't like shitletes or A holettes! |
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Location: NJ | Speaking of epaulettes, (the "real" ones, that is):
I had always thought that they were created by assembling all these individually-cut, thin pieces of exotic wood(s) - jigsaw puzzle-style that were glued together and then affixed to the guitar . . .
. . . (much to my chagrin), not so.
cwk2 esplained to me while we were touring Adamas assembly area during the SlotHead Reunion that the pieces of wood are quite THICK. They're glued together, and then the whole thing is sliced up (like a baloney) on a bandsaw . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Waskel:
Originally posted by schroeder:
I think the Ute is the dog's bollocks as we say in this part of the world (tho not in front of the preacher). The more I play it the better it gets - it is just utterly fantastic. I don't play any of my other guitars anymore. Uh, Jeff... I think you may have a problem here...
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Location: USA | so they're both electric/acoustic. Nice.
They really have the controls hidden on the second one.
I'm eager to try them both.
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Location: USA | I just wanted to say...in accordance to the new vip...
(which i cannot wait to try)
that my 1597 does not lack one bit in the studio...nor does it on the stage.
When I first when it to record the present cd the sound engineer goes" oh an ovation, I guess we
can work with that"
All he talked about was Taylors and their loud voice and presence.
When we finally started recording he was always asking" is your pre amp all the way down? etc..." Are you sure???
By the time I was finished recording his comments changed from Taylor this, Taylor that.. to " man that guitar is beautiful, what a unique voice"
I suppose somewhere...Ovation received a bad rap and this guy bought into it. By the time we were through recording he was sold.
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Location: Braman, OK | Originally posted by Styll:
By the time I was finished recording his comments changed from Taylor this, Taylor that.. to " man that guitar is beautiful, what a unique voice" Ya gotta love it! :D |
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Location: Omaha, NE | I just noticed that photos of the VIP preamp are up at www.adamasguitars.com. Not much to go on, but based on what I can make out, it looks like an OP-Pro with an additional knob next to the volume knob (perhaps to select which "shape mode" to use) and a fourth slider next to the EQ. My guess is the slider lets the user control the amount of blend between the "straight" pickup sound and the "processed" sound.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Interesting that the list price for the Premier is $1000. more than the U681 was. But I think Ovation did this for a specific reason (do they read my posts?). There is no question in my mind that the Premier will be a great sounding instrument. At $2500. it wouldn't get serious attention by high end guitar shoppers. But at $3500. it probably stands a better chance to get noticed. That is, assuming the buyer is willing to look past the shitlets. Dave |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | It appears the early pics released of the only 2 guitars destined to have the new VIP preamps had 2 distinct differences...
I put this question out a few clicks back...
The 1680 ((Brown Sh*tlets) must have been an early) picture of an acoustic only guitar hence the thinline saddle:
http://www.adamasguitars.com./?fa=detail&mid=1966&sid=507
While the 2080 (CAT EYE Sound Hole) has the wider saddle we are accustomed to seeing...(later picture):
http://www.adamasguitars.com./?fa=detail&mid=1967&sid=507
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Location: Omaha, NE | Just noticed another VIP sighting...
http://ovationguitars.com/index.cfm?fa=detail&mid=1959#
The Koa 2006 collectors guitar lists the VIP pre-amp. It is interesting to note that the guitar in the main photo appears to have an Op-Pro.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Well the Koa is beautiful but what's up with that cross-grain single color shitlett? YUCK, that alone turned me off to the whole visual appeal.
Wonder if it sounds any better than the 1778LX? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Omaha:
It is interesting to note that the guitar in the main photo appears to have an Op-Pro. That's because it's a photo of the proto we saw at the Factory last year. I recognize the ugly cross-grain epaulet. |
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Location: East Tennessee | One problem with the new Adamas models;
You won't be able to find them in 95% of the guitars stores. :(
Plenty of high end Martins and Taylors. :confused: |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I was in the local GC yesterday and asked about an Adamas (knowing full well that they wouldn't have any there but I alwasy ask anyway). The kid looked at me like I said "Studebaker". |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Stewd-a-baker?? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Only '06 that is of interest to me is the one from '05 that never made it. |
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New for Adamas in 06