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| I am pretty new to the world of Ovation guitars, and I was wondering what the difference is between Adamas and Ovation models. |
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| Short answer,..Adamas is the premium instrument in the Ovation line of acoustic/electric guitars. Defintely more answers to come... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | The most distinguishing factor between Adamas and Ovation is that all Adamii have a carbon fibre soundboard... Ovations are wood.
Adamas tops are not all the same configuration, they can differ by model. O's and A' can share some common specs but best to look at specific models to get the precise details.
You can count on A's to be more expensive than O's
Check out Ovation Guitars there is a link to Adamas as well... |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Adamas guitars are Ovations with a carbon fiber top. The familiar "multi sound hole" design that Ovations are known for started with the early Adamas models in the 1970's.
Some people describe Adamas as the "top" of the Ovation line, but I think its probably more accurate to describe them as peers to the high-end wood top models (eg, Custom Legend, etc) that Ovation makes.
FWIW, I have an Adamas, but the case that it came in says "Ovation".
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| Thanks. I looked on the Ovation Guitars site and didn't see the Adamas part before. How does the carbon fiber top compare to wood tops? How much does the average Adamas guitar cost? |
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Location: USA | The Adamas is the Ferrari...
The Ovation is the Cadillac
Either one you choose...you cant go wrong. Its just a matter of choosing your drive.
In my honest opinion if you are looking for a reliable guitar to play from time to time...ovation has a vast range of prices and models to choose...now if you are looking to head out on the road, and you take what you do a tad more serious...then Id invest in an Adamas.
Ovation guitars(some) are more affordable. Adamas is like making a commitment, but once made youll be glad you did.
It apples and peaches. Find a dealer that carries both, sit down and play them. Thats the only way to find out.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I disagree. Ovation is way more reliable and holds it value better than any cadillac ... |
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Location: USA | lol true...
maybe i should have used ferrari to Lambo...
thus the Ovation the Ferrari and the Adamas the Lambo...
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | I had much the same question for years. I find after now owning both that there are both striking similarities and striking differences.
You asked about price: Very subjective question. New and retail, the upper end Ovations are in the $1000 range where the Adamas will be $1800 and up. Used, I had done a depreciation comparison, and the Ovations actually hold there value better since you can pick up a like new Adamas for around $1100-1200 while the like new O's will slip to the $700-800 for the upper end guitars. Basically as a percentage of original retail, the O's hold their value a bit better.
Sound is definately different. You really should listen to both. Having the 1537 "O" and W597 "A" I like the sound of both. But like one better than the other, yet have had "non-guitar" people who are forced to listen to me on Sundays have the opposite view. So....make your own decision there.
As mentioned the major difference is the Carbon Fiber top on the A. It feels kind of flimsy, but is tough as nails, and makes for a light guitar. It also makes a great finger drum proving to me their theory that the thin top is more reflective and alive.
I like both. Today I like one more than the other, but again....totally a subjective opinion. |
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Location: NJ | Ovation is like air
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Location: closely held secret | Very nice, Al. But I'm surprised you didn't do it in Haiku.
Ovations are air
Emotion, rich and woody
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The price list actually lays it out nicely. They are all made by Ovation, just different product lines. Most expensive non-Adamas model is list price $1999. Least expensive Adamas model is $2199.
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Location: USA | In all honesty...love my ovation...but since I purchased my Adamas...I will not touch anything else. :)
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Like anything else its a matter of personal preference. I see Adamas as a niche guitar. Some folks love them, and some find them not their cup of tea. As far as the comment on serious and road musician. Ovations are actually very durable guitars, and appear on much more recordings than Adamas guitars. It was very common to see top musical road acts with Ovations, while very few used Adamas. Like I said its a matter of preference. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Too reliable to compare to Italian cars. How about Carrera GT to 911 Turbo? |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | I second this statement whole-heartedly...
In all honesty...love my ovation...but since I purchased my Adamas...I will not touch anything else To me, there is a night and day difference beween the sound produced by my Ovation Elite and my Adamas's. The Elite sounds good, but the "A's" are in a whole other class.
The wife compares it to difference in listening to a song on AM radio versus the same song on FM Stereo. Ok, maybe that's stretching it a little, how about the difference between FM and FM Stereo :D
My Adamas makes me want to be a better guitar player :p |
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Location: USA | Right on Brother...Right on !
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Personal opinion, there are quite a few Adamas models that I would definately place BELOW some non-Adamas models in my personal Ovation pecking order. It's very subjective and everyone has their own preferences and tastes. My wife likes Cookie Dough icecream, I can't stand the shit. Chocolate Chip, now you're talking ... Dave
PS - Some even like frozen yogert or sorbet. Explain that to me , please. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Well, I didn't mean to imply that the Ovation side was crap. I don't have the exposure to every model made, just to standard wall models (mostly imports) carried by the shops. I've only played about a dozen different O's models and just didn't think as highly of the sound as most of the Adamas I & II's models made during the late '70-'95 period that I've played.
It is most definately a matter of personal preference and taste. I've met plenty of folks that say 'oh crap, you play one of those plastic bowls', put their guitars away and leave... :confused: |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Tim,
I don't think we were suggesting you thought Ovations were crap...
Nor were we bashing Adamas. My first ovation was an Adamas SMT that I sold to get an Ovation 1537...there was simply no comparison, the O blew that A out of the water soundwise.
Now the Ute (U681t Adamas) is a different story entirely...and I would put the Folklore Deluxe (Ovation) in the same class. The 1573 could hangs out there too. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My point is/was that everyone has their own criteria of best, good, bad, value, etc. For example, the guitar that I consider my own personal favorite and the "best" by my definition would be an absolute piece of crap for live performance. To each his own, that's all we're saying.
Adamas lives this really odd existence. Is it an Ovation or not. Even the experts on this board disagree on that point. KMC tries to position it as the premium brand (ala Lexus and Toyota) with it's own website, etc. Yet everything about it screams Ovation. It comes in an Ovation case - HOW fucking hard would it be to stick an ADAMAS badge on a few cases? KMC did nothing to advertise the Adamas until recently with the re-issues. No stores really stock the Adamas models and if they did the sales person would have a hard time explaining why it cost 4x as much as the celebrity. It's just a really strange marketing plan, which is a shame because there are SOME really nice Adamas models. Tim is lucky enough to own 2 of them! Dave |
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Location: Upper Left USA | You pay for the amount of "hands on".
Which is probably what Dave needs more of...
Decaf, Dave. |
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Location: Hernando Beach (Tampa area) | "I don't have the exposure to every model made, just to standard wall models (mostly imports) carried by the shops." -- I would be willing to bet that many of the statements I've heard that Ovations don't stand up to . . . are made with similar experience. It is a shame that most shops don't carry the USA Ovations. |
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Location: Braman, OK | Originally posted by Matt Mattson:
It is a shame that most shops don't carry the USA Ovations. While we're talking about differences, can someone elaborate on the differences between the USA-made and the non-USA-made Os? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Earthbound Misfit:
Can someone elaborate on the differences between the USA-made and the non-USA-made Os? In general terms the difference is materials, fit, finish, setup and overall quality of workmanship. The value for the money of the imports is pretty good, it's just that they are in a different league.
Soundboards, necks, bracing and electronics are probably the biggest differences. and those are the differences that controbute directly to the sound (acoustic or plugged). An added benefit of the USA models is that they are backed by the US factory service department and THAT is worth a lot.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Best 6/8 O/A's that I own. Suprisingly split right down the middle. Whichever ones happen to be out of their cases at the particular time are the ones that get all the attention. I rotate them monthly and could easily spend the rest of my life with no others.
1719CM (30th CL)
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Location: Upper Left USA | Dave is correct in his frustration over the lack of market differentiating for the Ovation offerings. It is a missed opportunity.
But lately...
We have discussed on this board how the websites need to be updated more frequently and models need to be detailed. It is the Adamas site that is leading the way. If they are focusing some resources on this they seem to be going from the top first.
It may be the goal of separating Adamas from Ovation USA and eventually Ovation USA from Celbrity, et al. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by MWoody:
We have discussed on this board how the websites need to be updated more frequently and models need to be detailed. Amen!
I think the Ovation web sites are terrible. They are an appalling example of "what not to do" when it comes to web design. A few suggestions, in no particular order:
1) Lots (LOTS!) more photos. Real, high resolution stuff. The user needs to feel like he is holding the guitar in his hands. They need detailed shots of the guitar from every angle. This isn't particularly hard. I had better photos of my mandolin that I sold last month on eBay.
2) Some decent product line navigation. "Balladeer", "Elite", "Legend", "Folklore", "Custom Legend", "Contour", etc, etc, etc. Take it from someone was not up on the Ovation product line a few months ago. This is all really confusing, and the web site does almost nothing to sort it out. Something as simple as "Legend = Round Holes, Elite = Multi-holes" would be nice.
3) Consistency!!!! The same feature is described using different terminology in multiple locations. It may be obvious to Ovation experts that the "Ovation High Output" pickup and the "Original Patented Pickup" are the same thing, but it isn't to me. If they are the same, then use the same term. If they are not the same, then provide a detailed explaination of the difference.
4) Rich navigation. Everytime a term appears, it should be clickable for more information. So, where they have "AAA Grade Solid Spruce" on the feature list for a guitar, that should be clickable to a page that tells me what that means.
5) Lots (LOTS!!!) of multimedia content. Show video tours of the plant...videos of people showing how to adjust a neck...videos of people showing how to adjust the pre-amp for good sound on-stage...video of people showing how to change strings...video showing how Adamas tops are made...interviews with product people explaining why certain things are the way they are...etc, etc, etc. None of this has to be particularly slick or over-produced. A guy with a decent digital cam corder and some home movie grade editing software could put it together.
I could go on forever. Sorry for the rant.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Omaha:
5) Lots (LOTS!!!) of multimedia content. Show video tours of the plant...videos of people showing how to adjust a neck...videos of people showing how to adjust the pre-amp for good sound on-stage...video of people showing how to change strings...video showing how Adamas tops are made...interviews with product people explaining why certain things are the way they are...etc, etc, etc. None of this has to be particularly slick or over-produced. A guy with a decent digital cam corder and some home movie grade editing software could put it together. I resemble that remark. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Check out the Gibson site for a tour of the Gibson factory. Pretty cool to see how they make your guitar. |
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Location: Braman, OK | Omaha ~ I agree on all counts, having been a webpage designer since the "frontier days" of the 'Net. |
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Location: USA | I agree...
I stumbled on an Adamas guitar by just happening to be in a local music shop...never heard of them before then,,,never seen a website...
One of their biggest setbacks is their lack of advertisement...
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Styll:
One of their biggest setbacks is their lack of advertisement... Absolutely true. I have a track record of quadrupling sales of existing products by deploying solid web marketing. When I look at the Ovation and Adamas web sites, I see a massive opportunity waiting to happen.
Ovation has a structural advantage that they are failing to take advantage of. The Ovation guitar is predicated on the idea that new technology means better guitars. Leveraging more and more innovative marketing technology is completely consistent with their underlying gestalt.
Ok, and a few more gripes about their current web page:
5) One of the lower rings of hell is reserved for the idiot that first thought that a flash animation intro to the home page was a good idea. Figure the behavior of a typical user: They find their way to ovationguitars.com (one way or another) and are immediately presented with a bunch of circles swirling around. The user will not be entertained, only annoyed. The user is going to the web page to LEARN. How are these swirling circles helping me learn? Ok, step 2: The user manages to get past the swirling circles and actually sees the home page. Assume that the user actually sees something he wants to click, such as the "LX Series" icon on the lower left*, so he clicks it and goes to the LX features page. He reads it, and decides to go back. So he hits the back button. AARGH!!! The swirling circles are back!!! At this point, the user types http://www.taylorguitars.com into his browser (which is to say he's had enough and moves on).
6) Font selection: I'm at home, so I don't have my complete font library in front of me, but the fonts used throughout the site are terrible. I'm talking about the one used on "latest news", "whats hot", etc on the home page. I don't like stylized fonts much in the first place. All they do is present the user with a milisecond of confusion before his eye figures out how to process the font. You have to ask yourself "what advantage are we trying to gain by using this non-standard, unfamiliar font?" Particularly one that thas some really unusual letters like the letter "s" on this font. The answer is that you are trying to create some overall aestetic feel to the page, which leads me to gripe #2 about the font: It screams "1970's" to me. I realize that Ovation was hot in the '70's, but I disagree emphatically that they should be marketing based on "we are the guitar of the '70's" today.
7) There are four thumbnails to the right of the main photo. It is not obvious to me that if you click on one of those, the main photo will change to that photo. Something as simple as a mouse rollover would help here.
8) So, I click on the photo of the new contour bowl, and the main photo changes. So far so good. The description next to the photo (again, written in the infuriatingly '70's font) says "New Contour Bowl on LX Series Models" with a link that says "find out more!". So, I click the link. Guess what? I am taken to a page that has features of the new LX series: A page that does not contain a single word about the contour bowl. Not one. Duh?!?!?
9) I talked about having high resolution photos earlier. Here is an example of having the worst of both worlds. On the "How to choose your Ovation" page, there are photos of the different bowl types, top types, etc. Each photo has a very brief description underneath it. Each photo is also clickable. My expectation when I see my pointer change from the arrow to the hand is "good! I can click here to get more information". Instead, when I click on these photos, I get zero additional information. All I get is a photo that is barely larger than the thumbnail on the first page. You now just wasted my time...off to www.taylorguitars.com...
BTW, I am using Taylor as an example because I think Bob Taylor really gets it. He has a video showing in detail the operation of the machine they use to shape the sides of their guitars. These are machines they custom designed and fabricated. Most companies would probably patent the machines and try to keep their operation a secret. Taylor puts video's on the web! And he even throws in such useful comments like "these pneumatic cylinders have about 100 lbs of pressure". Awesome! I'm not a particular fan of Taylor guitars, but I really like Bob Taylor and the way he runs the company.
Jeff
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Location: Orange County, California | Whew!! I'm glad you got that out Jeff. I thought you were going to blow a gasket :p :D :p
Flash sites are great, but I agree with you: Intro videos are lame. It used to (during dial up days) entertain us while everything else "pre-loaded", but with 1.5Mbs DSL, it actually slows me down. I also hate the "pull-out, drop down" menus, I like "hover overs" and soft pop-out with a delay-fade, for actually navigation. I just hate it when I "slip", and lose the whole menu and have to start over.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The Ovation website has improved 100% in the last year. It's still another 100% worse than Taylor, Martin, Gibson and Fender. To be honest, that does not bother me anymore ... |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Jeff those circles are supposed to Hyp-MO-tize you. Isn't it working?? That's probably why they show them EVERY TIME YOU CLICK THE BACK BUTTON!
The thing I think I hate most is the big button on the right that links you to Cruefest.
I would love to see some high res pics too. And some sound clips of the guitars, and some video and less Motley Creu (one of the most influential rock bands in history).
Sadly, Dave's right, it's much better than it used to be. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by mtnbikerfred:
Flash sites are great.... I was tempted to retort, 'No, they're not.' But, you are actually right. Flash sites are great...for those flash-based games that help me get through the work day. For a site that I'm trying to get information from...eh, not so much. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Designzilla:
The thing I think I hate most is the big button on the right that links you to Cruefest.
Sadly, Dave's right, it's much better than it used to be. The problem there is that it takes you right to the Cruefest page, which provides you with zero information about why the link is there, or what Ovation has to do with Cruefest, or why we should care. Rule #1 of web design is "Don't Make Me Think!". It is hard to imagine a more complete violation of that rule than taking the user to a page and giving him no idea why it happened. The user may or may not have any idea that Ovation and Crue have an endorsement agreement.
Sadly, Dave's right, it's much better than it used to be. I remember the site from 1999/2000. That was when I bought my Adamas. I agree: It was a train wreck.
If I seem a little obsessive about this, its because I am. I really like Ovation guitars, but I really like good web design. It pains me to see such sloppy work. The web could be so much more for them. I just watched a ten minute video where Bob Taylor was showing how they profile necks. Cool.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Al, your website is perfect because it gives a phone number to call you so next time we don't have to actually use your website. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This thread is interesting if you really stop and think about what many of us are saying. We love the Taylor website, but it doesn't do shit as far as making us like Taylor guitars or want to buy them. So put the shoe on the other foot, why in the hell should Ovation invest in a better website? To make us feel better, even though we would buy their guitars anyway? In my opinion most of the critical information missing from the Ovation site can be found right here at OFC. Dave |
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Location: USA | Hope this doesnt come off wrong...but in a way Im glad they're not shoving the guitars down peoples throats...(though a little more advertisement certainly would not hurt)
I think thats one of the things that makes these guitars that much more special...that everyone doesnt have them... :)
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