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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Okay...I know you guys will get a huge guffaw out of this, but I have to ask.
Ever since I received my W597, I break out where my right arm crosses over the top of the guitar. About on the inside of the elbow and slightly down my forearm. At first I thought a spider had gotten to me there, but they go away when I don't play for a couple of days, and come back when I do. I normally am in short sleeves.
Has anyone had irritations from the Carbon Fiber? I mean it's sealed, so shouldn't be a problem, but if I work with fiberglass insulation I get the same kind of rash.
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Location: south east Michigan | This is serious....very serious.
And rare. But I have experience with this.
It is very important that you send that guitar to me right away for quarentine and testing.
Hurry....you don't know the danger you are in. |
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Location: Evansville,IN | Carbon fiber is fairly inert, by itself, but you possibly could be having an allergic reaction to the resins that bind it together. Just a thought. :)
Fiberglass insulation breaks me out too. :D |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Maybe just a rash from rubbing your arm across the rougher than wood surface.
Do you usually rest your arm on the body of the guitar? Maybe try it with long sleeves.
I would think that if it was an allergic reaction, it could still affect you through the long sleeves. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Highly unlikely. More probable:it's just a new guitar and you have to get used to it. It's happened to me before. Try using long sleeves till you get accustomed to it. |
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Location: Vermont USA | How much you asking for it?
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Originally posted by Paulcc1:
How much you asking for it?
Paul :p :p :p Too Much....not ready to give it up just yet (although the U681T on ebay is tempting :D |
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Location: Peoria, Illinois | I think the resin theory seems to make sense. Carbon fiber should not cause a reaction, as pointed out, due to the inert mature of the material.
Hope you can get this sorted out. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Was Waskel ever in contact with your guitar?
Bunny fur... |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Was Waskel ever in contact with your guitar?
Bunny fur... Not that I am aware of....but wait....I did receive some shims from him about the time this all started....hmmmmmmmm |
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| About a year ago, I purchased an Adamas W597 from a Guitar Center, and was very pleased with the sound, the playability and the visual effect of the guitar.
Generally, I play seated with my head inclined towards the guitar top, and within a short time I noticed a strong chemical odor emanating from the soundholes. Although I tried to convince myself that the odor would eventually dissipate, it became so overpowering that the guitar became impossible to tolerate.
Thus, I returned the guitar for a refund, and when I explained the reason, several of the Guitar Center personnel examined the guitar and acknowledged the odor. They all said that they were familiar with that model, but had never experienced that problem previously. (Whether they were honest in their evaluation, I have no way to know).
Based upon this experience, I would be inclined to believe that there could be a special chemical (or process) used in the manufacture of the woven-top that could cause allergic reactions in certain persons.
It would be interesting to know if others have experienced similar problems with this model. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Was Waskel ever in contact with your guitar?
Bunny fur... Originally posted by cardinalflyer:
Not that I am aware of....but wait....I did receive some shims from him about the time this all started....hmmmmmmmm  |
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Location: Upper Left USA | we have had discussions on the aroma of Ovations (binary resin) but this is the first alergic reaction I have heard of. If it is new it may take a while to fully "cure".
I would wipe it with water and distilled vinegar, hang it on a wall hanger to air and see if the problem persists. If you are one of those that lays much of the upper forearm on the top bout you will be subject to a heat rash and lap slipout! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Hmmmmm, carbon fibre allergy from a carbon based life form. Veeeery interesting. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | I rarely play sitting down, usually with the strap and standing. I don't think my forearm touches the top as I am very concious of anything that would deaden the sound (although I do sometimes allow my pinky to anchor when picking.
I will try long-sleeves and see if that cures the problem. We just bought a hottub, so it is possible the bromine is doing this to me as my skin sensitivity seems to center on chlorine and such. |
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Location: closely held secret | Don't use chlorine. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by cardinalflyer:
We just bought a hottub, so it is possible the bromine is doing this to me as my skin sensitivity seems to center on chlorine and such. good thought...
I have a hot tub too |
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Location: closely held secret | I use BaquaSpa in mine. No chlorine, no bromine, no odor, no skin irritation. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Waskel:
Don't use chlorine. Does your local water have chlorine? And did you fill your tub with it??? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Quit playing your Adamas in your hot tub, especially plugged in. More dangerous than a rash. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by Waskel:
Don't use chlorine. Does your local water have chlorine? And did you fill your tub with it??? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Waskel:
Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by Waskel:
Don't use chlorine. Does your local water have chlorine? And did you fill your tub with it??? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I agree, Waskel... Ok, stop it. you're scaring me. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Actually, I don't use Chlorine, but Bromine. I used to use Bacquacil in my Pool and Spa due to my aversion to Chlorine. Worked well (but expensive).
I now, however use the new "index" (forgot the name) where you run your PH at 7.8 to 8.1 and with the Ozonator, use little to no chemicals. So far 3 months and the water is crystal clear. I keep some Bromine tabs in it set to the absolute lowest setting.
So...probably not that either. Probably just my normal winter dry skin and I need to use more lotion. Oh bother...... |
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Location: closely held secret | It does get pretty dry over there this time of year.
Not like here, where I'm soaked before I even get in the tub... |
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| Originally posted by Waskel:
It does get pretty dry over there this time of year.
Not like here, where I'm soaked before I even get in the tub... Unpleasant, unloseable image.
BTW - wasn't Mr Kozak suggesting that this forum was not the place to discuss amplifiers? Has he visited THIS thread? |
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Location: closely held secret | Sorry, Schroed. It was unconscionable of me to ignore the possible consequences. I wasn't thinking clearly, due to the devastating news we just received...
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Have I told you the story about Breeze (my dog) running down, catching and then dispatching a bunny in our lot used for the neighborhood Easter egg hunt, ten minutes before the kids set about gathering the eggs?
That's the day everyone stopped referring to Breeze as, "cute". |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Going back to the spa treatments, has anyone found anything better than Bromine? That's what I use in ours and, if the ph and alkaline is maintained, it's not too bad. But should the ph get a little out, MAN!, can that get strong in a hurry...it almost immediately pushes me into the third manhatten... ;) |
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| Every time I see this thread title, I think there's a new model carbon fiber-topped guitar -- the Allergie. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Weez,
Have you tried any long term ph stabilizers? They fix ph at about 7.8 for months at a time...
should help you keep from getting stewed. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Interesting. Do you still need bitters? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Allllllways need the bitters... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Speaking of which...have a great night all... ;)
Weaser OUT! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Would you guys all come over and clean my spa? |
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Location: closely held secret | Eeewwwww. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | OK...found it. Spa owners do a search on the Hamilton Index. They recommend Akalinity going to 100-120, PH 7.6 to 8.2 and cutting your sanitizer to 1 part per million or with an Ozonator, maybe even 0.
I have been using it now for several months with no ill affects and my water stays pretty clear. It is a bit tough to keep the PH up that high. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Our ozonator conked out. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I don't have an ozonator on mine but have considered putting one on. If I remember correctly, they're around $200 or so. Worth it or no? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Ozonator??
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Location: Maryland, USA | An imitation of Ozzy? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | ...that kind of reminds me of my last visit to the proctologist... :eek: |
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Location: Cicero, NY | ...thank GOD he only needs to see me once a week... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Once a week, huh?
round here we call that dating... |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | I am not sure...first Ozonator I have had and don't know how to gauge if it is worth it or not. As for conked out ozonator's Mark, I think it is just a special UV bulb or something. Should be an easy fix. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Ozonator :confused:
I thought that was Neil Young! :p |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Well, I have an answer to my "Allergy". Some sort of insect bites. My son-in-law is a PA and was up for a visit. After checking it out he said insect bites, but not sure what.
It is winter here....we don't have pet's, and it's on my arms so fleas don't seem likely. Possibly a spider in one of my shirts or coats I never saw? He said bed bugs perhaps. BED BUGS...GROSSSS. I have read up on these nasty creatures and seems they are making a resurgence, but how in the world would I get those? We don't travel a lot, stay at sleezy motels, and our house is only a few years old....
Regardless...I believe in "Better Living Through Chemistry", so the bug bombs are being fused and armed. War has been declared, and we are leaving the house for two days next week while turning it into a toxic waste site. Hope they don't mutate. |
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Location: closely held secret | ...all these interesting posts on hot tubs and ozonators wasted...
Bedbugs? ...and you let them bite? Didn't you pay attention when you were young?? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I said that to my daughters every night until a couple years ago. I should to call them on their cell phones and remind them. |
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Location: North Idaho | Could the little creatures have traveled in the case lining? |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Originally posted by tdeej:
Could the little creatures have traveled in the case lining? Wow....so we travel full circle and it really is an Adamas Allergy....bugs in the case the Adamas came in. How poetic... |
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Location: SoCal | Jeff,
Have you found any physical evidence of the creatures?
If the skin problem is localized to bare skin on the inside of your right arm where it crosses over the guitar and only occurs after playing the Adamas... how could it be bites?
Do you store the Adamas in the new TKL case?
The new synthetic fuzzy interior sheds a little. Loose inert fibers can still cause contact dermatitis.
The rough bowl back could be transferring loose fibers to your shirt. The inside of your forearm could be picking up the fibers directly from the guitar or off your shirt later on.
I'd vacuum the interior of the case very well, blow out the inside of the bowl, vacuum and wipe down the exterior of the guitar, put on a clean shirt, and play your Adamas... good luck and call me in the morning. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | The binding edge on the lower bout of the U681T irritated the underside of my upper arm when I first got it.
You can "chamfer" the binding edge with the spine of a kitchen knife. Go lightly. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Bed bug epidenic? |
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Location: closely held secret | Some great quotes in that - "We feel like we're starting from scratch". :rolleyes: |
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| I was just curious what guitar polish you use on the guitar??? Plus the smell tends to be the case not the guitar... I had a Hamer Californian`s Finish bubble up because of the Case adhesive not being fully dry... Open the case and let it air out...
Oh By the way i still dont think that Sambora Doubleneck is 10-15 years old??? When was Slippery when wet?? |
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Location: Illinois | CARDINALFLYER,
Here's my take. If this is a brand spanking new guitar then the solvents that make the plastic liquid so that it will flow into the mold may be causing some irritation. As molded plastic ages it 'outgasses' the solvents. This what gives a car that 'new car' smell. You are smelling the outgassing of the plastics and vinyls that make up the inside of the car. Eventually that 'new car' smell goes away as the solvents dissipate. Unfortunately, some plastics eventually become brittle. Some plastics, however, retain their integrity long after that 'new car' smell goes away. The ovation guitars I've seen appear to have a cross-linked polyethylene bowl. I could be wrong. If it is xlpe, then I'd say it will last a long long time. I used to buy fuel tanks made out of this stuff and diesel fuel doesn't make a dent in it... it makes it swell a bit, but nothing to be alarmed about.
Some people have sensitive skin and this little bit of vaporized solvent irritates them. My suggestion to you is to wear a long sleeved shirt or drape a wash cloth under your arm when playing. You might even cut the sleeve off an old long sleeved shirt to cover your arm when playing too. Eventually the outgassing will subside and not be a bother to you any more. Leaving it out of the case for a few months will accelerate the outgassing. Just make sure it's in a safe place, preferably hanging on the wall. While sunshine can accelerate the outgassing, I wouldn't recommend it with a guitar.
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Location: Scotland | Jusk make sure you have a guitar made from Brazilian polyethylene. The Brazilian stuff doesn't pass as much gas. |
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Carbon Fiber Allergie???