Rave Reviews
willard
Posted 2006-02-20 10:23 AM (#265652)
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I played in a "Star Search" last night at church. Many, many comments on how great the Ovation sounded. Not much on my voice but at least the Legend made a hit. I played tuned down 1/2 step and with a cut capo, thru a Genz-Benz with just a touch of chorus then into the PA. It sounded really sweet.
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45flint
Posted 2006-02-20 10:29 AM (#265653 - in reply to #265652)
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What is a cut capo? I use a Genz Benz as well and I found that when I go to the board it only sounds good when I go out the back pre-effects. Am I doing something wrong?
Steve
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TRboy
Posted 2006-02-20 10:37 AM (#265654 - in reply to #265652)
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Far out Bill!, What song did you do? I remember you got up on stage at the '04 Tour and sang and I thought you sang real good!
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Waskel
Posted 2006-02-20 10:54 AM (#265655 - in reply to #265652)
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Cut Capo
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OldLiverJones
Posted 2006-02-20 11:24 AM (#265656 - in reply to #265652)
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These “voicing” are not necessarily true-to-theory chords meaning they may include or exclude a specific note. Secondly, use of the cut capo often calls for very simple fingerings which makes the chords easier for beginning players.


I guess this sums up the pros and cons. I personally never use a capo. I always have believed in barred chords. Of couse, I mostly play electric.
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Steve
Posted 2006-02-20 11:29 AM (#265657 - in reply to #265652)
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When I was a kid the called my capo a "cheater clamp"...so, I learned bar chords, go figure...
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Waskel
Posted 2006-02-20 11:32 AM (#265658 - in reply to #265652)
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Mostly you wind up playing a lot of 2nd and 5th chords, which is probably one reason they're heard so much in current music.

As with Old Liver, I rarely use a capo, unless I'm playing with a keyboardist in some odd key and feel lazy, or using it to effect some, um, esoteric chording... They are fun to play with, however, especially with alternate tunings.
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 11:45 AM (#265659 - in reply to #265652)
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The cut capo allows for some nice voiceing that you couldn't get with fingers alone. It lets the strings ring open in many situations. Is it a cheeter? Yes but it sounds really nice.

I did a song called Blessed by a group named Lazarus. Really old song written by Billie Hughes in the late 60's
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-02-20 12:08 PM (#265660 - in reply to #265652)
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I never have a problem using a capo, cut or full, if it gives me the sound I want. I don't have to use a capo, but it's pure ego to not use one when it can give you the sounds, chords, and open strings you're looking for.

Playing in Eb w/o a capo, on an acoustic guitar, is just an exercise in sillyness.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-02-20 12:22 PM (#265661 - in reply to #265652)
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When you do certain fingerstyle things that involve playing melody, bass, and rythme together...along with open string ringing.... anything other than a capo is not an option.

("Sure, sounds nice in 'G' but the singer needs it in 'Bb'!")

:and; What Moody said.
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cliff
Posted 2006-02-20 12:25 PM (#265662 - in reply to #265652)
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A capo is nothing more than a tool
(only with an entirely DIFFERENT conotation that the one referring to Paul Shaffer) . . .
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 1:19 PM (#265663 - in reply to #265652)
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I ain't proud! Not only do I use a capo, I often move it up a notch or two for key changes. My stubby little fingers just won't do things that a capo will. I also use barred chords but I can't get the same "open" sound from my fat fingers that a caop allows.
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 1:24 PM (#265664 - in reply to #265652)
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The cut capo is also called a Foote Capo sometimes. Named after Billy Foote. He's written quite a few of the current P&W songs along with his wife Cindy. Bebo Norman uses one in several of his songs. It's interesting to see some of the music notation written trying to show in standard chording, what they are playing and I think you would need to start using your feet to be able to play the chords they show.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-02-20 1:46 PM (#265665 - in reply to #265652)
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Isn't this the same thing as the Shubb partial capo that has been around for years?
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gulfcoast
Posted 2006-02-20 1:50 PM (#265666 - in reply to #265652)
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I don`t use a capo much anymore,but i have a friend who uses a full and a cut capo at the same time to get into open tunings without having to stop and retune.You see these alot in praise bands!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-02-20 1:54 PM (#265667 - in reply to #265652)
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A year and a half ago, my niece asked me to perform "I Can Only Imagine" at her wedding. Full capo on the 2nd fret and partial on the 4th, creating an open B chord. Guitar sounded great! I sounded, well, the guitar sounded great.
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schroeder
Posted 2006-02-20 2:11 PM (#265668 - in reply to #265652)
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Not wanting to start a fight here Mr Moody, but Because of stupid sax and clarinet players I've spent most of the last 20 years playing in Eb and Bb. It's a living. And I bought the first capo I've ever owned just before last Christmas. It's still in the box.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-02-20 2:48 PM (#265669 - in reply to #265652)
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You can't start a fight here (at least not over the use of capos). Lots and lots of jazz players spend their entire lives in the keys of Eb and Bb and never use capos.

It's a personal preference and there's no right or wrong answer. I'll defend the use of capos because they allow me to get the sound I'm looking for. If somebody else doesn't want to, all the more power to them.

You coming in May? If so, I'll bring the 1773LX.
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 2:55 PM (#265670 - in reply to #265652)
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Tuning to Eb made an interesting difference in the sound. It took almost a week for my strings to settle in but I like it now. I think I might keep it this way.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2006-02-20 2:59 PM (#265671 - in reply to #265652)
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Both the Shubb partial and the Kyser shortcut are pre-dated by many years by the Third Hand designed by Harvey Reid and Jeff Hickey. Harvey has been using partial capos for 30-odd years. He stopped by our Booth at NAMM and was quite taken with the G-Band capo

www.thirdhandcapo.com
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 3:03 PM (#265672 - in reply to #265652)
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I haven't tried the Third Hand. It looks complicated, is it?
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Beal
Posted 2006-02-20 3:29 PM (#265673 - in reply to #265652)
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Isn't Capo an Italian term about people of power from New Jersey?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2006-02-20 4:09 PM (#265674 - in reply to #265652)
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Willard, the third hand is the most versatile of all the partial capos. It'll do everything the Shubb and Kyser can do, plus a lot more. The downside is it takes a little longer to set up. The answer is to have one for every combination of capo'd/uncapo'd stings you use.
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willard
Posted 2006-02-20 4:30 PM (#265675 - in reply to #265652)
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Sounds like harmonicas.
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schroeder
Posted 2006-02-20 4:55 PM (#265676 - in reply to #265652)
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I'll be there in May Paul - and I SOOOOOOOOOO want to try the 1773LX. Don't at any point stand with your back to me - it will be whack and take me to the airport with my new guitar please.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-02-20 4:58 PM (#265677 - in reply to #265652)
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Pssst.. Schroeder.
Just have Brad bring a certain Celebrity to the party and hold it up in front of Paul. He'll be so busy trying to kick a bigger hole in it, he won't notice you hailing a cab with his 1773 in your hands...
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-02-20 5:10 PM (#265678 - in reply to #265652)
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I am soooo used to people trying to hit me from behind.......
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schroeder
Posted 2006-02-20 5:12 PM (#265679 - in reply to #265652)
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Only an idiot would try and hit you from the front.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-02-20 5:13 PM (#265680 - in reply to #265652)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I am soooo used to people trying to hit me from behind.......
I can believe that. :D
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