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| I want to buy a double neck and use the 12 side for slide and the 6 side for everything else.
Has anyone done this with a CSD225 (or other double neck)?
Can someone offer some advice, a caution, or a "don't do it"?
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I suppose you'd have to jack the action way the hell up. Could mean changing the nut...
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| Thank you, Jeff W.
I can play slide with relatively low action, but not as low as the action was on my Elte T, for sure. Do you still think it would require a nut chane, or would some shims do the trick?
Thank again.
Still looking for input from veryone
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | You might could do it with just shims and neck adjustment. You'd still be kinda low at the first three tho...might be enough if you can play low. And a nut change ain't a big deal (when speaking guitars)
good luck with it
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Matt Smith (the amazing) had a really cool device that Tony C sent to me. It is a grooved piece of metal that pops into place over the nut, thereby raising the action and making for a perfect slide instrument.
Maybe someone has an extra or check with Matt. |
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Location: SoCal | It is a nut extender - piece of metal, scored for the strings, bent into a V that sits on top of the nut, held by pressure of strings. No damage to the guitar. Believe I got them from StewMac. ?? $4.
During the Chop Shop, Matt takes one of the guitars at the guitar store and converts it quickly into a slide. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Frankly I've found slide playing on a 6 easier because you can keep it cleaner, (always a problem for me). A double with 2 sixes would be interesting..... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You know, I just don't get the double neck thing. It's about as useless as a woman with 4 breasts ... umm, wait a minute maybe I need to reconsider. Dave |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | I guess some will never get it Dave, but I find my doubleneck adds another layer to my playing.
I agree though that the six string would be much cleaner for sliding, although I'm by no means that good at it nor an expert on using a slide.
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| Thanks to everyone for the valuable input--so far (I hope the dialogue will continue, as I have been learning a lot.)
Aloha Tim, I found some older posts of yours (I always forget to look to see if the thread continues on subsequent pages), and I see that your double neck is the American made one and has the twelve on the bottom.
You speak a bit disparagingly of the CSD225. Do you recommend staying away from it?
Lastly, my slide playing is more on the order of Kottke and Cooder (without their genius, of course), more than it is single string slide playing like Clapton, Winter, etc., and that is why I would like to experiment w/ the 12.
Advice?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Tim, My point was that I have enough trouble managing one neck. Two would throw me for a complete loop. Dave |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I have the Celebrity and it is ok. I think good for its price. It tends to come with a higher action so if you find one, the twelve might be ok as is for slide. I had to have the action professionally lowered on both necks. After that it had a great action. Electrically they are pretty good, acoustically ok. I think the 3/4 body actually makes more sense than the big custom made. With a double that smaller body really is just about right. I really like the double for playing in our praise band because it gives you the ability to go in a lot of different directions without changing guitars. After the Celebrity I found used a double neck acoustic Yairi. They made about 100 of these in the early 80s. That is really a good acoustic instrument but was not made to plug in. My celebacy is a curly maple panelmaster from Japan. I really dislike the look of the red burst that is sold in the US, but these come up all the time used at pretty good prices. Doubles are a lot of fun, play a song using both necks and you'll be hooked.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Dave,
Fortunately, I've only tried to play one at a time :D , guess that's why it doesn't seem so strange to me.
Highway61,
Please don't let me sway you against a CSD225, I'm biased nowaday's. Please give an ear towards Steve's views & not mine.
-edit- Also, at 6'3" & 240lbs, the full size deep bowl fits my frame, the CSD-225 felt "small" to me...
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| One more question (maybe):
45flint, others, how is the CSD225 in regard to tuning stability? Tuners fairly solid? Accurate intonation possible?
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| If your looking for a doubleneck let me know??? I have one unfortunatetly it costs 4000$???? |
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| I really don't have that kind of money. If I did, I'd really prefer a double neck six like this one:
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Location: Scotland | 12 string slide? Yuk. Reminds me of the likes of John Fahey flailing away arbitarily on an open tuned 12 string and claiming it was "music". Still sends a shudder down my spine. I like Bill's idea of a twin neck with 2 six strings. That could be my perfect guitar. How about a twin-neck Viper EA68, both sixes, with an ovation pickup on the regular neck and a magnetic for the slide neck. Darren, get the sketch pad out! |
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| My doubleneck isnt what you think??? Its actually made of all KOA. That guitar looks hard to play because the necks are so close together... |
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| Paul,
Are you dismissing Kottke, as well?
More importantly, Ovation players, more than anyone, should be openminded. I might not be the guy to make it happen, but someday someone will make you think as differently about twelve-string slide as this guy makes everyone think differently about the uke:
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| now thats what Im saying!!! |
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Location: Scotland | No, I'm not dismissing Kottke, he has produced some very valid music, when he wasn't vaguely waggling a bit of metal at 12 strings. I have yet to be convinced by anyone playing 12 string slide. There's just too many overtones to have any definition and it just sounds to me like a big messy noise. Everything that makes a 12 string fun makes it a nightmare for slide. I spend at least 70% of my playing time with a slide or tonebar and my benchmarks are the likes of David Lindley, Sonny Landreth, Greg Leisz, Jerry Douglas, Cooder when he's not up his own ass, and a handful of others. As for Jake, I don't need to be convinced. I saw him in concert at the NAMM show a few weeks ago and I stood up with everyone else right after his first number. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Highway61, The Celebrity doubleneck is really very well made. The necks are solid and the tuners work fine. The workmanship is really pretty good. I dislike that it is a panelmaster and would love it if they made one with a solid spruce top. The neck wood is nato which is a cheaper mahongany used on imported guitars but though not fancy gets the job done. I have had mine for a year and the necks have been rock solid. I did have them professional set up at the beginning. Simply the Celebrity allows most people to afford a doubleneck. I still think the 3/4 body was a innovation here that is really underestimated because it was put on an import and not a USA guitar. Makes it more manageable. |
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Location: NJ | I tried a Celeb 2Necker at GuitarCenter.
Not bad at ALL . . .
Would make gigging a hell of a lot easier, because I'm constantly changing back and forth between songs . . . (damn requests!:-) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Same as Cliff, I have handled a few in GC's. Nice.
My take is that I would be fairly intimidated to go on stage with a Doubleneck. Peoples would have actual expectations that something "Wow" was going to happen.
I hate disappointing them.
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Location: Indiana | If it were me, I would just have 6 strings on the 12 string neck, and use whichever string spacing feels best for slide. I don't play slide much so I leave mine as is (6/12).
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | You are noticed with a doubleneck. Had more comments on the doubleneck than any other guitar I have played.
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Location: Indiana | I've had one for 30 years. Played it twice. Maybe some day. Actually am looking for a 6/4 doubleneck. I normally play bass in a 3 piece band. Some times could add some guitar in spots.Thinkin' bout a Steinberger, just don't want a black one.
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| beatlejuice,
Why not get a Dano 6/6? |
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| By the way, whenever anyone feels as if they would like to chime in with, "Hey, Highway, I have a CSD225 that I'll sell for 500," please feel free to. |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Hey, Highway, I have a D768-X that I'll sell for $5,000 ;) |
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What a difference an "O" makes |
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Location: Indiana | Originally posted by Highway61:
beatlejuice,
Why not get a Dano 6/6? I have got used to playing Steinberger basses. Also, I only play 4 string basses. Is the Dano a 6 string bass and a 6 string guitar? And is the bass a long scale (my preference)? I have a Dano Longhorn bass. It's a lotta fun but it is a short scale and has VERY weak pu's'
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| The Dano 6/6 is a Baritone on top and a regular 6 on the bottom. There is a 4/6 variation but it's a bit more rare.
Here's the 6/6 in Blackburst |
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Whether or not you own a double neck, I'd like to hear your opinion.