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Location: Phoenix AZ | Prompted by a question in another post I did a little informal survey using a digital caliper. On all my widenecks, I accurately measured the neck width at the nut and also the depth from back of the neck to the top of the G string fretted against the top of the 3rd fret. Some interestng results:
Custom Legend slothead: W= 1.770, D= 0.919
Adamas II slothead: W= 1.758, D= 0.883
Josh White: W= 1.884, D= 0.981
Adamas U681: W= 1.769, D= 0.970
FD14 Folklore Deluxe: W= 1.742, D= 0.899
Dave
PS - In case you care about the Martins ...
Norman Blake custom: W= 1.837, D= 0.960
D18VS slothead: W= 1.768, D= 0.977
HD28VS slothead: W= 1.771, D= 0.979 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Can you give us those in fractions, please? And what about your other 28 guitars? Maybe I'll go buy a caliper and measure mine. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Interesting inconsistency in what is considered a wideneck. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Interesting inconsistency in what is considered a wideneck. The CL, Adamas 2, FD14 and U681 are designed to 1-3/4. Josh is designed to 1-7/8. On the Martins the Blake is designed to 1-13/16 and the VS's are designed to 1-3/4. They are all very close, well within hundredths of an inch manufactoring tolerance.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The second part of that is the string spacing at the nut. As I've said many times before I like 1 3/4 at the nut with 1 1/2 string spacing. It can be a bit wider and that's good too, My Collings OO is that way.
The next part is string spacing at the bridge. I have a custom guitar that was made with 1 3/4(1 1/2) fat neck and it still felt funny. Turns out that the bridge is 2". It needs to be 2.25ish. My OM-3Maple has what Collings calls vintage spacing and it is wider at the nut and bridge, better for fingerstyle.
The slotheads had wider bridge spacing on the wide neck models. That went away with model #70 on, figured nobody would notice. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My understanding is that on current Ovation models, 1-11/16 and 1-3/4 nut guitars both use the SAME bridge and string spacing at saddle. The 1-7/8 nut guitars get get a wider bridge. I could be wrong, but I think this is what I was told by the factory. Well, it was just the dude who sweeps up, but anyway ...
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| I'm amazed the depths are so similar - the ute neck feels twice as thick as my Country Artist (which is a custom job with a radiussed fingerboard). I can never decide which is the most comfortable.
And the string spacing is definitely different - again the space seems far greater between the strings on the CA compared to the ute. This is perfect and as it should be for nylon against steel.
That's why I was curious about the custom custom. Did you specify the neck depth and string spacing? |
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| BTW - has my OFC cd left the sunny Southern State on it's way to freezing Southern England? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | So is 1 3/4" considered to be the starting place for a wide neck? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I would say so. The slot head wide models were 1 7/8 I think. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
BTW - has my OFC cd left the sunny Southern State on it's way to freezing Southern England? YES. It's probably freezing its arse off in a plane right now. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
So is 1 3/4" considered to be the starting place for a wide neck? It's pretty subjective. Is 6.0 seconds 0-60 MPH the starting place for fast cars? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Did you specify the neck depth and string spacing? I specified that I wanted the neck to Folklore LX dimensions. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | My understanding of neck width is as follows, and the measurements are only meant to be points of departure not hard and fast rules, but examples of the classics:
Example Nut width Neck thickness
Telecaster 1 5/8 .810
Adamas 1 11/16 .9
Acoustic 1.75 1.0
Country Artist 1 7/8 .8(?)
Classic 2 .8
To me a neck becomes wide when it is either more than 1 11/16 at the nut or thicker than .9
I love that telecaster neck for electric work, because that's what I became used to. The Adamas to me is an AE cross leaning towards the acoustic camp. I used to have a celebrity which had the same nut width, but had a thinner neck and was more in the electric camp. Of course, Dave's Martins are fully in the "acoustic" world.
While it doesn't seem that mathimatically there are big differences in Daves guitars, you can feel less than .05" difference.
You know, I look at this and I say what am I doing. I guess I'd rather talk about necks than work. Gotta go fellas.
Dave, what are the fret wire sizes? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by an4340:
Dave, what are the fret wire sizes? I knew someone would ask. Yes it DOES make a difference on my measurements. As does string gauge. I have no idea of the details. I call all of these guitars "widenecks" because they are wider than the Ovation standard of 1-11/16. Less measurements and more playing is needed. Dave |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | Can you give us those in fractions, please? To answer Mark's question take for example 1.758. Deal with only the part after the decimal. It goes to the thousandths place so take 758/1000 and reduce. You get just slightly more than 3/4. Add the 1 back and the answer is 1 3/4". :eek: :eek: :D |
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Location: closely held secret | OLJ, you have to cut Mark some slack. He's a lawyer. Mathematical reasoning is a function of the left side of the brain. That's where lawyers store thier exasperated sighs and those "how much longer must we listen to this nonsense" rolling-eyed looks. And thier funny noises. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Sure, OLJ, take the easy one. I could have rounded all of them off to 1 3/4 myself. And thanks for your help, Waskel, as usual. I've been in several trials where I had to help "experts" do math because I could do it faster in my head than they could find their calculators. It's only when they try to dazzle me with their bullshit that I roll my eyes. |
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Location: closely held secret | You bet, Mark. Anytime, anytime at all. I'm lookin out for ya. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Dave, yes 6 seconds for 0-60 is the starting place for fast cars. I know that's about what mine does and I think it's fast. Of course it also does 60-120 in another 6 seconds. I haven't checked out the 120-180 yet... |
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Location: Tennessee | Hey Cripple, let's hook up nose to tail and time the third leg. There's a tri-oval strip of asphalt a bit south of you there where we could make a go of it. :) |
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Location: Avondale, AZ | I don't think this is that type of board Stony. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I'm in, when you comin out here? Nothin is going on down there till around July..... |
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Wide necks - How wide and deep ?