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Location: Chicago | Folks -- I let apologize if I've totally missed the section for newbies. But I'm looking to purchase an Ovation guitar and need advice, or confirmation that I'm on the right track:
First, I can't play... yet! I got some informal lessons from friends recently and I just like the "feel" of the ovation guitar in my lap. I could "see" my fingers on the frets a bit easier. I was planning on buying a Celebrity CC057 ~$270. I also like how it can plug into an amp (maybe fun for later).
But after looking thru this site, I'm wondering if I should look into a used Ovation. Or am I just not "advanced" enough to worry about that now.
The only thing that kept me from pluning down my credit card was the salesman who insisted that I should buy "wood" and spend $600+. The "wood" guitars did seem to have better tone, but hey... maybe for my second gutiar when I actually lean to play.
Thoughts?
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Location: Upper Left USA | Welcome!
If you read Al Pepiak's opening statement on the "Welcome page" you have some idea how Ovations get a bad rep!
Salesmen aren't Rocket Scientists, and vice versa.
You could obtain a used Ovation, early era Balladeer or such for about $250-$350. A Legend or Elite for a couple hundred more.
I have two suggestions - first keep in mind that any good guitar without issues and properly set up will be good to learn on. You can develope your own taste for what you want in a second guitar.
Secondly - buy a used 1778T for under $600, take it to a reccomended tech or Luthier and enjoy it! You may not want another guitar. If you sell it you won't lose on your investment. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Check the OFC "For Sale" section.
There are currently some nice USA made guitars that would fit your budget.
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Location: Utah | FWIW, here's my opinion on newbies buying guitars. If you are interested, really interested, and plan on sticking with it, buy a decent guitar. There's a world of difference between cheap guitars and more costly instruments, both in terms of playabiity and in sound. But, if you are just looking to try guitar out to see what you think, look into renting or borrowing. You could rent a decent guitar for a few months to see what you think of playing guitar, and if you want to stick with it you can then go buy a good guitar.
I think a lot of people buy a cheap first guitar and then quit playing very soon thereafter because the cheap guitar is hard to play and it sounds crummy.
However, if you were to buy a good Ovation, like the 1778 T mentioned above, you would never regret it. If you buy used and take care of it, you can expect to sell it for what you paid for it. IMO, there is no better sounding instrument than the 1178 Elite T, and no better playing instrument for that matter, for many times the price. IMO, honestly, you could spend well over $2500 on a high falutin premium brand guitar and still not have something that sounds as nice or plays as easily as the Elite T. |
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Location: Chicago | Thanks for the welcome to this board and for all your responses... you guys have me thinking:
While nobody has come right out and said the Celebrity CC057 is a "cheap guitar" (even if it is an Ovation) I'm guessing it is not a favorite of this board.
So let's say I entertain the 1178, I'm having trouble telling the difference between them (1778, 1778 LX, 1778 Elite LX, 1778 T, LX series, Elite series, Elite T series -- how do I decipher all this?) are these all the same or different, and why does musician's friend website show a price range? $879.99 - $999.99!? (Gulp -- my wife will divorce me over this at that price.)
I open, but I’m hoping you all can share just a bit more direction with me…
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | 1778t..
The "t" is the important thing to remember..."Elite t"
You can get a used one for under 600. This is a great guitar as FlySig suggests and not just for the price... |
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Location: Chicago | I just found the retail price list on Ovation's site... now I'm understanding their naming system better...
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Location: Boise, Idaho | The 057 is fine, but you could pick up a used one for under $200. That gets you a shallow bowl and a plywood top. Good rugged guitar that may be fine to learn on, but you will probably want to advance to something better. The shallow bowl and plywood doesn't resonate like the other Ovations. No wonder they think a wood box has better tone. Shop a little and get a US Ovation with a deeper bowl and you will hear a big difference in the sound. Most any Ovation is easy to play if the setup is good. |
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Location: Spokane, WA | There really is a huge difference in sound and playability between a Korean made Ovation Celebrity (the CC057 for instance) and the US made Ovations. Spend a bit extra on the US made guitar, and you'll never lose a dime, it'll always hold it's value. The same can't be said of the Korean guitars, even though they are good instruments. Just my .02. |
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Location: Orange County, California | webwbr,
Is your budget around $300 to find out if your serious about guitar? Also, being an eternal newb, I also like th Ovaition-Roll allowing me to see my fingers better when working on something new. Can you play 3 chords yet? There aren't many guitars you can score for around $300, play for a year and resell for what you paid (or more). There are a 1/2 dozen or so older American made Ovations on Ebay right now that will close within that budget (give or take), and would sell again for that. Yes, you will appreciate the better sound and playability of a used older, solid spruce top, American O then a celeb, and you should try to play some older ones to see if you like them before you buy. I would suggest spending only what you have saved up, and not buying on credit as you will never recover the intrest you paid from the value of the guitar. Especialy if you buy new. Later, when you know 4-5 chords you could save up again sell your older guitar (yeah right) and probably score an Elite T, or better yet an Adamas used without inciting the wrath of SWMBO or going into debt...
Good ideas on paper. much harder in real life. No, there's nothing worng with the CC057, except many of us started down that road, or worse (bought a cheap wood box) and wished we had just gotten a good used american Ovation first.
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Location: SoCal | Spend a little more money and get something like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1982-Ovation-Legend-Cutaway-w-Original-...
You won't feel the need to "move up" to a wood box guitar in a few years.
If you buy something too cheap to begin with, you'll get discouraged and not want to play. Always play a better guitar than you are a player. It will inspire you to pick it up and practice. |
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Location: Germantown, MD | This is probably a minority opinion, but since you asked. . . .
The ideal first guitar will sound reasonably good, and it will be comfortable to play. If it's not comfortable to play, you're not going to practice as much as you would otherwise and you won't progress as quickly as you want to. My advice, then, is to buy nothing that you haven't played first, and that might tip the scales toward the CC057--unless you find a used American-made O that feels easier to play.
Short form: Playability is paramount; you'll probably trade up or buy a second guitar later on anyway--especially if you hang out on this board very much. :) |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Always play a better guitar than you are a player. That's never a problem here. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | That was my thought. Maybe that's why I think everything sounds good when somebody else plays it. |
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Location: Chicago | Ok… wow, thanks everyone for your input, I just spent an hour at the Guitar Center [musiciansfriend.com] in Naperville, IL and the place was packed… so I could hang out and try stuff without a salesman even noticing me!
My budget was set to avoid my wife’s ire at me for spending big $$$ on an instrument that I cannot play… she’s not totally off-base as we also have a digital piano that I can do little more than a few bars from most Billy Joel songs on.
Anyway, my big “A-HA” today was that there are really two “Ovation Companies” USA and Korea. I can totally see/hear/feel the difference between the two, thanks for everyone’s suggestion about that.
Here’s where I am now:
I like what I’m hearing about buying a “next level up” guitar and have an instrument that holds its value. So if I continue down that route two guitars today came on my radar;
1778T - $880
This is a no brain-er and seems highly recommended by the folks in this thread. My only complaint is the looks, it is a little too minimalist for my liking. And being all black just does not give the instrument too much appeal. But it did sound great!
S771 - $780
This was hanging next to the 1778, nobody here mentioned the balladeer line, but this seemed like a good choice too. And is $100 cheaper. Thoughts comments on this line/guitar?
Any other <$900 ovations guitars I should consider?
Where can I play/try out older used Ovations, Guitar Center had none. Just call every guitar store in town and ask about their used inventory, or is there an easier way?
I’m thinking I’ll go up in $$$ and finance it for a year [no interest, why not] – I can totally pay it off in a year, and then if I totally fail at it, I can resell with little loss. In the end, if I succeed, I end up with better sound and a guitar that can go a long way with me.
Thanks everyone for your continued assistance through this purchase journey. I should give all of you the commission on this sale and not the salespeople [kidding].
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Location: Hicksville, NY | Welcome to the OFC webwbr!
For a starter guitar, you can't go wrong with the Celebrity model that you just mentioned. I don't own one, but I have had the opportunity to play them through my friends from church who own them, and I am partial for their playability. They also keep in tune quite well, that you will rarely mess around with the tuners.
However, instead of spending $270, spend a few more extra bucks and you should be able to purchase a used USA-made Ovation. For a budget of about $300 (give or take a few), the Balladeer models should be right for you. You can check out either the mid-bowl 1771 or S771, or the shallow bowl 1861 like the one that I have. They often go on sale via ebay, and do check out the buy/sell section in this website.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I like the sound of the S771s they have at GC. The Balladeers are great guitars. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Web, My strong advice is to buy used. $800 + on an instrument you can't yet play and may try it an give up, is a big investment. For under $400 you can get a first rate Balladeer or Legend model. You don't need all kinds of new-fangled pre-amps and on-board equilizers, etc. Just go with the basics. The problem is, you'll probably have to buy without actually trying it first. That's where 4000+ OFC members come in. Find one you think you like and give us the details. We'll steer you in the right direction.
For example, here's a few nice ones on ebay.
Balladeer $399.
Custom Balladeer $389.
Trust me Web, THESE are the kind of guitars you want to learn on. You can't go wrong.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Webwbr said
Any other <$900 ovations guitars I should consider?
Bluesailor has a 1537 for sale ($900 shipped) that is considered one of the holy grails of Ovation guitars. It is a great playing and sounding guitar and it's value will only go up if you decide to sell it down the road in a few years.
It would be a great guitar to start on, one you would never outgrow, and it sounds and plays fantastic! Do a search for 1537 on the OFC board and see what everyone thinks of it.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It would not be fair to start on a 1537 when it took me 20 years to get one. Both those old Balladeers have 5 piece necks. You could also pick up a S771 on ebay for a BIN of $479. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That wasn't the question. (and who says life is fair :rolleyes: )
He asked if there were any other guitars under $900 that he should consider!
Are you saying he should NOT consider a 1537 if it is within his price range? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Are you kidding? The only downside is if he doesn't learn to play and it sits in the closet. I just thought it was a huge leap from talking about a Celebrity at the first of the thread and going to 1537 by page 2.
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Location: Chicago | It is a huge leap... I'm glad my backup plan is the celebrity... I'm so torn about going up in $... on the one hand it seems like my "investment" will hold value better, on the other hand $900 is still a lot of money to play for mainly (at least, with purpose for) a prison ministy with Church.
I love the idea of buying used, but buying on-line a used guitar scares the heck out of me and I'm unsure of used ovation at a local store level.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Webwbr, your best buy for $900 or less is absolutely the 1537. Like I mentioned before, do a search and see what we have said about the 1537 over the last several years.
It is a huge leap over the sound, the build quality, the resale value, and the playability of the Celebrity.
With the 1537, if you don't learn to play or sound like pooo, you will have only yourself to blame. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | There have to be Ovations available in Chicago to try out. Find someone who plays and haul him or her around and listen to them. If ebay scares you, try the for sale section here. As Stephen says, you won't see or hear anything bad about a 1537. It's as good as you can get for that money. |
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Location: closely held secret | Web, I'm afraid I have to agree with Dave. Whether it's the 1537 or not (mucho money, but a killer first guitar) you should buy used.
When we say that Ovations hold thier value, that doesn't necessarily mean when bought new. Very few things in life hold the 'new' price. They may regain that value over time, if they are a more rare item that is sought after (the 1537 is such an animal). Generally, a used Ovation has stabilized at a value. You might commonly see the same model offered for the same price. That is the value it should hold.
That said, I should point out that I (as well as Dave, and probably every other member here with more than 2 guitars) have bought new before. I don't expect to get back what I paid for my 6778LX, for instance, even though I got it for less than the street price. There are currently too many out there. Perhaps in 20 years, who knows?
The upsides of buying used are that you're not paying all the 'overhead' associated with a new guitar, you're getting a guitar that has stood the test of time, and you can get lots (sorry Al) of qualified opinions (Ok, and BS, but you sound smart enough to tell the difference) from the members here, some of who have more guitars than would fit in my house. (Of course, if I had that many guitars there would be fewer people living in my house. Me, for instance).
A bonus of buying from a member here is that you have some protection, of sorts. Many of the members here would not sell a noobee a bum guitar just to make a buck at the risk of damaging thier reputation. Nor are they that kind of people in the first place (Well, most of them. The others know who they are... so do we).
So, IMHO, your best option is to buy used, from an OFC member in good standing. You'll get a fair price on a solid instrument, and hopefully be around here for a long time to come. (Many of us have more than one guitar to sell.)
Good luck on your choice. Whether new or used, Ovations are a great value!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Are you saying he should NOT consider a 1537 if it is within his price range? Just because your price range is $900 does not mean that spending all $900 of it is the best move. Especially if you do not play and may not stick with it. Yeah you could always re-sell the 1537 for what you paid for it. Same could be said for a pre-war martin or a slothead. My point is/was you can get a great used instrument for half that amount. And spend the rest on lessons, or traveling to meet others who play, or buy a small acoustic amp to play in your church band, etc. Of course I love the 1537, that's why I own one. But in this case, if it was my son for example with $900. in his pocket and asking for advice on what to buy to start learning, I'd give him the same advice. Plus buy a ukulele, of course. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Web, If you're uncomfortable buying used and may be interested in either of the two ebay guitars I posted earlier just let me know. I'd be happy to buy either of them for you and if you don't like it for some reason I would take it back in a heartbeat as long as you pay the shipping cost.
By the way, another guitar you should look at is the Taylor Big Baby. It's $400 brand new and a great 1st instrument. Far superior to the Celebrity, although it's acoustic only (no pickup). This actually IS the guitar that my son with $900 in his pocket was advised to buy and thankfully he followed his Dad's advice for once. Honestly, there isn't a better value in that price range in my opinion. Dave |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Standingovation:
I'd be happy to buy either of them for you and if you don't like it for some reason I would take it back in a heartbeat as long as you pay the shipping cost. That's a hard offer to beat. Nice one, Dave! |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Listen to Dave about the Balladeers. If you don't, get yourself a used CC057. You will not go wrong. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | OK, I am beat down. I was looking at it from the standpoint of what his budget was and what potential resell would be.
I still believe you get the best you can comfotably afford, whether cars, guitars, or wives! That way you should never be second guessing.
However, if $400 is the realistic amount, then the Ovations on ebay would be great. I have played the Taylor you mentioned and for the money it is a great value. |
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| Webwbr, Bid on the ebay guitar moody suggested. It looks to be in excellant condition for an '82. The top is 14 years old and will sound incredible. This guitar will sound better now than when it was new! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
I still believe you get the best you can comfotably afford, whether cars, guitars, or wives! You sure 'bout that? Seems to be that if you get the cheapest wife you can find, that'll leave the most money left over for guitars !!! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by stephent28:
I still believe you get the best you can comfotably afford, whether cars, guitars, or wives! You sure 'bout that? Seems to be that if you get the cheapest wife you can find, that'll leave the most money left over for guitars !!! |
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Location: RI. That small State out East | Good subject...
I also like the moody p.i. "special" listed on ebay... I believe a can't miss...
One more thing (IMHO ) Always plan on spending $50.00 on a set up when you get a used guitar. It will get some love from a "good" tech person. I believe a lot of guitars sold on ebay were listed because they didn't play / feel all that good.
Another $50 and bam... Something special.
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Location: Chicago | Wow, you are all so helpful! Here is where I stand today:
Standingovation:
Thanks… you’ve given me something to think about…
New vs. Used:
I hear the tide going towards used, which is fine. My only concern is buying without touching. Maybe I’ll run past the auctions I find to you guys and get your input over the next couple of weeks. Otherwise, I see if any stores in the area re-sell guitars and happen to have an Ovation in stock
Budgeting:
I’m open to spending more than $300, but if I buy used, then my budget can max in the $400-500 range, if I buy new and can finance over 12 months no interest, then I can go up to $900.
Entry Level Guitar:
The Celebrity CC057 seems to be OK, but everyone is pretty consistent with the idea “spend a little more and you’ll really be better off.” I agree.
Ovation USA
I’m feeling I should start somewhere in this area. If I leave the Celebrity series behind then I’m left with,
Elite
1778T - $880 NEW (handled at Guitar Center)
--Can finance for 12 months
--Everyone seems to love this guy for the money
--I think it is rather ugly
-- Seen it used on e-mail, but for the small savings and lack of financing over 1 year, I may stick with new
Balladeer
S771 - $780 NEW (handled at Guitar Center)
--Can finance for 12 months
--Many have commented well on this guitar, might go this way to save $100, I like the look more than the 1778T and sound for sound they seemed close to my ear
-- There look to be four on e-bay right now… with some savings, but I’ll just have to get over my e-bay fear if I pursue those (and I only fear e-bay because I’m buying a musical instrument, not for other items, FYI)
1771 – $980 NEW (did NOT try at Guitar Center)
--Recommend in this thread, but may be just too pricy
--Couple on eBay, but for the small savings and lack of financing over 1 year, I may not bother
1861 – $830 NEW (did NOT even have at Guitar Center)
--Recommend in this thread, could be an option, would love to find it in a store to try
--Couple on eBay… all less than $400, I may watch these auctions and take a leap of faith, but ONLY if I find it in store soon and can hold one.
Legend
One person mentioned the Legend line
--Cheapest NEW is $1,180 for a 1777 LX, too much
--37 today on eBay and I’m too overwhelmed with the choices/options… I may pass unless I play a Legend in store and love it more than the others
Tech Love:
Thanks for the tech tip, if I buy used, I’ll get it to someone to “tweak” it a bit
OK… so if I lock myself down to these instruments… any other advice? I’ll keep a CLOSE eye on the for sale posting on this site… as one posted put it, I’d rather buy from the “community” here as you all seem to have reputations that could be hurt if you screwed over a newbie (like me). These are my favorite kind of sites on the web…
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Location: Boise, Idaho | When you see one on ebay that you might be interested in, search for that model or name on this board. Most likely you will find some opinions on it. I think our GC has an S771 much cheaper than yours. Check Musicians Friend prices. GC owns them and should match the price. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Mark has a good point. All GC's will match internet pricing on in stock items at the internet store.
Based on your choices, which would be more comfortable for you.....buying a new guitar but financing over 12 months or buying used.
I think Dave made you a fantastic offer of buying one on ebay, checking it out and then selling it to you. If it gets Dave's approval, you can be sure it is an excellent guitar! |
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Location: Waxahachie, Tx | Well, as a Guy that has been learning for only about 18 months I have to say the GCS771LX-C is the way I'd go. My number one reason, is it just sounds great. It comes with a Warranty (life time). It has many features of the LX series, did I say it sounds great. I had the tech at GC play the cedar top 771 and then play the U681 as just a comparison so I could sit in front and listen and I'll be honest the tone from my brief moment of listening was on par. The Cedar top guitar is unique. It will help you want to play more, practice more. you have to like what you play. If you don't you won't pick it up. my suggestion is to play the guitar your thinking of buying. Don't mail order.
Make a list of what you want to be important.
1. looks
2. play-a-bility (is that kinda like Rock-a- billy)
3. resale value
4. does it have a case
5. will it be something you will like 6 months down the road
6. do you want it to have a warranty.
I purchased an Elite 1778LX in December I found a discrepancy with it and had to send it back to the factory they did a Neck reset? Huh.( it is still their not only did they have to do neck reset, they had gooberd up the bridge route out for the Saddle) The first Ovation I purchased a 1771Lx had playing issues I sent it back they did a neck reset? Huh.
So, you see if you think about it, spending the kind of money your talking about I'd buy New.
Anyway just my suggestion.
Oh yeah, I'm still an Ovation enthusiast I'm addicted to the sound. Everybody has a bad day I'm just unlucky in guitar buying via mail order. |
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I walked in there with a page printed from a Guitar Factory ad offering the 6778LX for $150 less than GC or MF. They verified the ad, then matched it. Including the freebies - a set of strings, a strap, a cord, and they threw in one of thier t-shirts because the ad offered one. I wound up giving that guitar to a friend and went in a week later and they did it again. And I didn't even feel bad about it. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by Waskel:
And I didn't even feel bad about it. Why should anyone feel bad about buying two guitars from the same store? Rest assured that GC did not lose money on those sales. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Take a look at this one! I have one of these and it sounds and plays great. And your wife would like it too (: Ebay Listing |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Here's another nice deal .. Ebay Listing |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Here's another one to compare against the CUSTOM Legend Ebay Listing |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Ok. Here's the last one I'll put on here ...
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I think there's a bunch of excited guys trying to ease their GAS (guitar acquisition syndrom) pains vicariously here!
A lot like sending your single buddy over to pick up the cute chick at the bar.... eh?
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Too many good choices? Mitch's 1862 would be a good deal. Mine is not as easy to play as my others, but it is still a great guitar and has great sound, even with a shallow bowl.
The neck reset issue can be spotted in advance by measuring the string height at the 12th fret. I'm sure Mitch could tell you what the measurement is and how many shims are under the saddle. Unfortunately, I found this out recently a little too late. You're probably not going to get that kind of info from an ebay sale.
I knew it was common in used guitars, but not on new LX models. If you really like what you got, you could always buy more. Treat this like it's your first guitar, not like it's the last guitar you will ever buy. By that I mean, there are many different varieties, even just in the Ovation line. If you get a nice one that you like, you will find others that you like, too. A year ago I had 2 guitars. I've bought and sold or given away 5 or so. The following are my keepers. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Just tryin' to help. I've probably put his head in a spin now.
Those are ones I'd look at if I were in the buying mood right now. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You got us figured out fillhixx. I could have mentioned the 3 Ovations I talked someone else into buying recently, just for vicarious enjoyment. |
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Location: Chicago | My head is spinning! And Fillhixx's post was too funny.
My mind is absorbing all this and I may need a day or tow to let it settle.
I'm looking at Mitch's 1862, or a new s771, or maybe (big maybe) a new 1778T
hopefully by the end of the week I'll have landed on something... after all I've got callouss on my finger-tips to start building up! |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Good Luck on your quest young Jedi!
I'm gonna' sign off and go home and play my Elite |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Way OT, sorry but:
On the value of a Wife:
Some time ago I heard the story of “five canoe Larry”. That was the translation of the name. Originally it was some Pacific island story I believe.
Larry was looking for a wife and the custom was to visit the local islands and talk to the Chief or Big Kahuna. A reasonable wife cost one full canoe of goods and trinkets. An Exceptional wife was worth two canoes. Beauty, grace and royal family connections might require three canoes.
Larry comes to this one island where the Kahuna has married off all of his daughters except for one, Jane. Jane is sure that she is destined for Old Maidendom and her worth is far less than a basket of fish and since her father would be without help if she left he will demand too high of a price. Frowning and disheartened she feels worthless and the other girls take every chance they can to remind her of her destiny and elevate themselves.
Ol’ Larry comes in to barter with the Kahuna. Kahuna presents Jane. Larry signals for five canoes to be brought to shore. They are fully laden and sit low in the water. Impressive to behold.
The chief marries them at once and they go off to the “Newlywed Hut” to spend a month. During this time all the men are joking about “Five Canoe Larry” the wizard of wall street! If someone offers a lopsided trade for something they would hear “I’m no five canoe Larry get out of here!”
The ladies, on the other hand, took a different view! Several former Classmates repented of their former caddy behavior and decided to become servants of Jane because they would never find a husband that would give five canoes for them! It was better to be in the household of five Canoe Larry than anywhere else!
Jane?
She was so honored and so happy to be free of her Father and now was held in reverence by all the maidens and wives. She set her mind and heart on living up to the price paid for her. She became exactly that, a wife worth five canoes! She grew in grace and wisdom and under her hand her Husband’s estate grew and prospered!
To this day men will scoff and women will get tears in their eyes when they hear the name of “Five Canoe Larry”! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Woody...you make me laugh....you make me smile. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Now see what you made me go and do! :eek: |
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