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Location: No Town, California | I'm conffused about the different pick thickness. I know that the thicker the pick I get a muddier sound. And the thinner the pick the more clearer sound i get. But I can't figure out which pick is right for me. I currently use a medium pick and sounds ok. I sometimes use a thick pick, but sounds more muddy. I use the dunlop picks and the fender picks. Just wondering if any of you have any suggestions?
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Use lot's of picks till you find the one you're happy with. I'm happy with Dunlop "lucky 13"'s, I believe they are like the tolex picks. When primarily picking out single notes I use a thicker pick. When primarily strumming I'll use a thinner pick.
My favorite picks are the ones I get for free. |
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Location: closely held secret | The thicker the pick, the less hard I need to strum. For me this means I break fewer strings from trying to be both a rhythm and percussion section. Sometimes I'll use a ridiculously thin pick for a fast, open strumming, because I want the pick noise as a percussive effect.
Mostly the free ones I get are about the thickness of a dime, have advertising on them and break really fast. And worth every penny I paid for them. Except for some that AFG sent me, which were both free and very nice indeed. |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | There are two ways to look at it-- it all depends on your playing style. Most people think a .50 medium is the industry standard. A lot of pros have used the Herco Flex50 Gold pick. The heavier the pick, the easier it is to pick out individual notes-- but the downside is, your strumming sounds heavy and HORRIBLE! If you use a lighter pick, your strumming sounds nice and clean and airy, but you have a harder time picking out individual notes. I do a lot of fingerpicking, and when I strum I try to do "fingerstrumming" as much as possible-- hitting bass notes with the thumb and strumming with the index finger, or all the fingers depending on the style of the song. Some of the best guitarists in the business don't even OWN a pick; e.g., Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac and Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits. Stephen Stills, one of my favorites, puts the bottom of his thumb over the side of his index finger as if he were holding a pick--only he doesn't have a pick-- and strums that way.
When I DO use picks, I use a special light gauge thumbpick from Fred Kelly (check them out at http://www.guitarsessions.com/oct04/accessories.html); they're yellow (and if you look at them from underneath, it looks like somebody flippin' the bird!). These are a good compromise. They're fairly light for strumming (and they're FAST) but you can still pick notes. If I want something even faster, I'll sacrifice one of these picks by clipping off the pick tab, putting a piece of velcro on the thumbpick and a mating piece of velcro on a light-gauge regular pick (like a Dunlop .38 or .46) and mount the thin regular pick on the thumbpick. This works great for straight rhythm songs (like a lot of Eagles tunes and Lightfoot's "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald."
In the end, like most things, ya gotta experiment and find what works best for you. I like the thumbpicks because I have trouble holding on to regular picks-- problem solved! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | OFC whiteys!
You need a pocket full at all times. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by MWoody:
OFC whiteys! Maybe "OFC Picks Lacking Color" would be a more politically correct way to say it ... |
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Location: NJ | I usually keep about six pics (two each of three different thicknesses) on my mic stand and change-up depending on the tune we're doing and which guitar I'm using . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Fender mediums (or OFC cream colored -- same pics) for everything, steel string, 12 string, nylon string.
I'm in a rut.
Francis, where in Calif are you? |
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Location: East Tennessee | I don't use picks that often.
When I do I use Dunlop nylon .67mm.
They're blue and when not in use they look cool stuck in the strings at the second fret. :cool: :D |
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Location: Scotland | It's not so much about thickness, it's about stiffness. Now before this degenerates into innuendo (Innuendo incidentally is an Italian enema) Thin, stiff picks sound great, they have excellent articulation, dynamics and clarity. The problem is that the best picks of this type are made from real tortoisehell which is illegal, and it's difficult to make a thin rigid pick from synthetic materials, though the Dunlop Ultex is pretty damn good. The material plays a part but generally thin flexible picks are easier to use but have very poor volume and dynamic range compared to stiff picks. Thick picks have a much greater dynamic range but lose some sparkle and inexperienced players tend to struggle with them. I rarely use picks except for rhythm parts when I'm recording but I managed to get a shit load of totally illegal tortoiseshell pics when I was at the Music China trade fair in Shanghai a while ago. These picks are absolutely rigid, incredibly thin and for me nothing else comes even close. Those Chinese just don't care. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Fender mediums (or OFC cream colored -- same pics) for everything, steel string, 12 string, nylon string. Moody, I agree...except for the nylon part... |
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Location: SoCal | I know. Most people here get on me for using a pick with a nylon string guitar. Old habits die hard..... |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | I pulled a Waskel and did an enhanced search when I got home. Fred Kelly has his own website:
http://www.fredkellypicks.com. My computer at work, for all its state-of-the-art programs and high speed connections, didn't pull that up. I use the light-gauge speedpicks (the yellow ones). This is an alternative to using regular pikcs-- I'm just too clumsy with them, even though I've been playing almost 40 years. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | If Buckingham and Knopfler don't use picks, maybe I'll forget about trying to use them. I haven't bought one in 30 years. All that I have came with a guitar I bought and I rarely use them. |
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Location: NJ | does anyone remember the guy that made the wood picks? I think he was in florida. I thought they were rather cool and still use one unfortunately he did not take well to my critique of his product. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I had the stone min'd pick once upon a time. Only thing it was perfect for was the intro chord smashing on Joan Armatradings 'I'm Lucky.'
Though it was a slippery little bugger and tended to fly like... well, a rock... at regular intervals. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Doesn't Brian May use a coin to get that Queen steel sound? |
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Location: closely held secret | No, he uses a homemade guitar and a preamp made from a car radio... |
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Location: NJ | ". . It's not so much about thickness, it's about stiffness . ."
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Location: No Town, California | Thanks guy. I can always count on you for advise and learn a few thing here and there. Oh, and moody, pi, Im' here in Fresno........ :) |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | TWA - Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top uses a Peso.
I usually use a Clayton Ultem pick or a brass one that I made myself (has a real sharp point). |
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Location: Snellville, GA | I read somewhere years ago that Brian uses a nickel or similar coin to get some of his effects. |
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Location: Snellville, GA | I found this on Wikipedia...In addition to using his homemade guitar, he (Brian May) prefers to use coins (especially sixpenny pieces) instead of a more traditional plastic plectrum, on the basis that their rigidity gives him more control in playing. He is known to constantly carry coins in his pockets specifically for this purpose... |
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Location: Orlando, FL | When I was younger I used thin and medium picks. These days I prefer a nice heavy pick. I like the control and the sound better. I find it easier to do hybrid picking with a heavier pick as well.
Some of those Fred Kelly picks look interesting, especially the bumlebee and the speed pick. I might have to try them. Thanks Rick! |
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| Tortex orange for everything acoustic- strummming, lead, fingericking, rolls. And a Fender jazz pick for everything electric. |
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Location: Clinton ,Ct | I like light to med picks .I use the edge alot to get that Billy Gibbons rockabilly chime sound.And yes Brian May used coins at first He flipped them out to the crowd alot.Mostly quarters he liked the heavy sound they made .I have to say I lost a ton of respect for Queen when they showed up on American Idiot.Boy was I Po,d.and NO I don't watch it.My wife does. She called me in the middle of my most recent guitar project to come see.I could not believe it was true.Maaaaaannn. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Queen being on American Idol was no different than any other publicity junket. Queen is embarking on a new tour with Paul Rogers singing and this was good advertising....same a Kenny Rodgers (new album), Rod Stewart (new album), Barry Manilow (new album) and all the rest that will be appearing throughout the competition. |
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Location: Clinton ,Ct | Yea But still Queen has been a ROCK icon for decadeds [notice the word ROCK]In the world of sellouts it would be nice to hold onto something.I guess we will have to add those others to the list along with Queen .Freddy would never have RIP. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I remember living in Houston in the 70's and going to the Rice Hotel where a relatively unknown band called Queen was going to play (this is when they had just come out with the first album) around '71 or '72 I think.
By the time everything was hooked up and ready to go, the substantial amount of power that all the equipment and amps were generating knocked out all the power in the hotel. After trying unsuccessfully several times to get everything kicking, the concert was cancelled.
I was totally bummed, being into Queen bigtime, and missing the chance to see them perform for a crowd of less than 500.
I saw then 3-4 times after that, always leaving the arena amazed and always remembering the one that got away. |
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Location: New York, NY | I'm a big fan of the Dunlop Tortex mediums. They're on the heavier side of a medium pick but I think they do the job for both strumming and picking on both my acousics and electrics (my biggest requirement by the way cause I like to keep a bowl of picks on my coffee table and just grab one, regardless of which instrument I pick up)... I use them with my bass too... I know, I know I'm a wuss for using a pick with my bass, I'm just not that good on it without one!!! |
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| You mean you can buy picks in different thicknesses!!!!! Christ....whats next..... Different colors??
No wonder they want to bomb us all..only in America and a few parts of England.. |
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| Vcnyls, Your not a wuss for using a bass guitar pick, plenty of players do that. I use one of those fussy little fat picks for playing bass because I like low mellow bass lines, not the pluck and slap, poppin' slop that's heard alot today.. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Francis, I use Fender mediums for my Os usually. I've experimented with various brands, materials and thicknesses and the two I like best for general playing are the Fender mediums and the OFC whites (.060"). I might use ones up to 0.1" for note playing, though.
For strumming, I've found that thicker picks give too much 'click' against the strings for my taste.
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Difference in pick thickness