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Location: boulder | Has anyone noticed or mentioned that the 2006 koa collector has a one piece neck. I believe it is made of cedro, which I have never heard of. The one I saw was gorgeous. and the Koa collector is a cannon. Great overtones, rich and balanced. now that vip preamp.....I don't get it.., but the koa collector -I think whoever gets one would be pretty happy...and they are a limited quanity :p mike |
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Location: NJ | I got word yesterday that production for the guitar is finished. they used up the koa for the tops and there is no more. the 06 collector's run is finished |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | WHAT??? I spent last night tossing and turning in my bed convincing myself that I had to order one (with a few upgrades). Damn. Are you sure they don't have a few planks laying around somewhere?
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Location: south east Michigan | Don't settle for left-overs Tuppy. |
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Location: boulder | The one I played yesterday was damn nice. The figured Koa is just cool to stare at. And that is before getting ready to play... With only bass side soundholes, this thing is a big sound pump. Very deep low end (like the adamas 1581 anniversary model w/bass only soundholes). But it also has a full mid range and nice woody hi end. I think timbre is the word i am looking for, someone school me here..
another cool thing is the VIP preamp can be stuck into another guitar with op-pro housing, and the VIP works in that other guitar as well. And the op-pro works in the Koa collector as well. Which is nice, because then you can have a tuner that works without a cord plugged into it, (did I say that?)
The koa collector is a really nice instrument. I doubt many who buy will resell, that sort of nice...peace mike
the one I played (my friends) was s/n 193 |
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Location: Munich, Germany | I can't agree with fugot.
I have both - the 1581 Reissue and the Koa - and specially in the low end there is no comparison to the Adamas. My Koa is much thinner, with a very crispy sound. Well it is hard to describe, even in a foreign language. But bass and full sound is not where my Koa wins over the 1581.
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Location: San Angelo, Texas | Guitar Center in Arlington, Tx has a 2006...and I have an FRG 2006 coming should anyone be interested :) |
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Location: boulder | Kurt is right that the adamas 1581 has a much fuller, deeper low end then the koa. (maybe the fullest of any adamas I have played). but to me, the koa still sounds pretty rich and full.
but the one piece neck, anyone? |
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Location: New York, NY | Manny's Guitars in NYC (48th btwn. 6th and 7th) had one about 2 weeks back when I was there. |
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Location: SoCal | My San Diego/La Mesa Guitar Center has the 2006 Collectors, several of the reissues (GC 12-string and 1627), and a good selection of US O's. All prominently displayed. Guess those trips each year to NAMM help. |
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Location: NJ | I have one in stock also |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hmmm...sounds like Ovation is (wisely) reducing production on the Collectors' model compared to the recent past (like 2003, where there were gobs of leftovers at relative giveaway prices). I was surprised that they only made 582 or so of the 2005. And even at that low number, some of them ended up as closeouts.
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Location: Munich, Germany | @fugot:
What I have read about cedro on a german webpage:
It's related to real mahogany, grows mostly in latin america, there known as Honduras cedar. Specially taken for furniture, boatfurniture and necks on classical guitars.
I also wondered why Ovation built it as a one piece neck. I love the stripes of the five piece necks, even more with a ebony center stripe. Maybe it is a new way to sign the 'high class' guitars, with the new 2080 and 1680 Adamas also having again a one piece neck, like the old one/two piece maple necks.
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| Fugot, Damn nice? Is it about $2000 damn nice when compared to the price of other Ovation models at their relative price? Advantage and disadvantage of a one-piece neck? It's about the same price as the new 2080 Adamas model. Anyone play both to compare? Please don't mention ice cream if you did compare! |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | If the neck is one-piece, the type of wood used had better be a HARD wood to resist bending. Although it is more important on a 12-string than a 6-string.
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Location: Scotland | Lots of guitar necks are one-piece. It's a non-issue. Once there's a neck rod and a fingerboard involved, a one piece neck is fine. It's worked for Martin, Fender, Gibson and tons of other makers for ever. 2 piece necks with opposing grain directions or multi-laminate necks may be very strong, but that does not mean that a one-piece neck is weak. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Don't leave out the often hidden carbon fibre stiffeners like those in the LX. |
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Location: CT | Just stopped into Manny's, 48th st. NYC. 2006 Collectors #033 is there for a mere $2K. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Originally posted by brainslag:
Just stopped into Manny's, 48th st. NYC. 2006 Collectors #033 is there for a mere $2K. Oh, is that all?
You should have two or three! :D |
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Location: south east Michigan | Well...My local, independent, music store of choice just got in a Koa Collector. This was my first chance to play one since last years tour. Man..what a nice guitar. Lots of bottom end yet enough highs for it to still have that Ovation brightness. A real boomer yet a different enough flavor where I would not be duplicating something I already have. I'm going to try and go back today and spend some time with the VIP pre-amp.
I dunno...this might be the one. I told the store owner (Paul Huber) and he reminded me about their anniversery sale coming up on the 15th. I told him that I gotta wait until after the tour to make up my mind. Maybe there is something else cool in the works for '07. If the tour was not on the horizon I could have very easily whipped out the "happy card" and taken it home with me. But I have to remember my mission statement concerning the tour to study the Adamas textured top sound and the 12 fret to the body thing.
The only fly in the ointment was that after, I made a quick stop at the GC a couple blocks away. There was a koa Celebrity there that was just a little to close looking to the KoaC. A world of difference where it really matters, but still a little to close in looks.
BTW...Paul Huber told me that he could just not bring himself to order a 47RI for his inventory. He gave it some thought but decided that a $3,000 Ovation, without electronics, would be to hard to move. I told him about the reviews it was getting from the OFC members. He did not disagree...he just said, "You got to be a real hardcore fan to pay 3k for an Ovation that you can't plug in." |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Slipkid:
I dunno...this might be the one. LOL.
Originally posted by Slipkid:
There was a koa Celebrity there that was just a little to close looking to the KoaC. A world of difference where it really matters, but still a little to close in looks.
I too stopped into our Clackamas GC just the other day, and they had a 06C. I agree, a very nice guitar! Unfortunately, it was hanging next[/t] to a Koa Celery, both pretty close to the ceiling. All you could see was 2 nearly identical guitars, one $500, one $2000. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Oh my...that is really, really sad.
Originally posted by Slipkid:
I dunno...this might be the one.
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LOL.
LOL what??? That this particular model could be the one when there is so much more out there???
Kinda OT...The way my beloved Detroit Red Wings left the play-offs, it may take something like a shiney new guitar to break me out of my funk. |
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Location: closely held secret | LOL because that's what I always say to myself when a new one comes out. Believe me, I liked it very much, even though they didn't build it the way I wanted them to.
Luckily (or not) I can't afford to indulge the feeling, or I'd be looking for a new (and larger) place to rest my head... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Slipkid:
"You got to be a real hardcore fan to pay 3k for an Ovation that you can't plug in." ??? Doesn't seem to be stopping other dealers from moving them pretty easily. And hell, can't the same be said for almost every Martin out there?
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Location: south east Michigan | I can't fault Paul for that business decision. The 30th he put in stock sat for almost a year. Huber & Breese is not afraid to spend money on inventory if they think they can move it. They sold three of the $40k McCartney guitars including serial #1. He has a couple Adamas on display and 3 or 4 nice LX models and an EliteT. He does have a couple Tangents and an Applause that have been there forever. Those were some poor choices for inventory. I wish he would just blow them out on an internet sale.
It boils down to (and here we go again).. what their sales staff is conditioned to push. Taylors and Martins first. After that, product knowledge and enthusiasm fall right off the charts. But we have beaten that subject to death many times. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | IF YOU PUSH IT, THEY WILL BUY IT ...
My day job is basically convincing people to buy shit that they don't need and can not afford. It's really not that hard to do.
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
IF YOU PUSH IT, THEY WILL BUY IT ...
My day job is basically convincing people to buy shit that they don't need and can not afford. It's really not that hard to do.
Dave I need to hire you |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | I agree - you can convince people to buy things that they really don't need...I do it all the time.
It is a little easier with $6.00 loaves of bread than $3500 guitars though. :D |
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Location: SoCal | I donno, look at all the people who are willing to spend $3k plus on a Taylor... |
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Location: south east Michigan | While I was playing the Koa a guy came in looking to upgrade his guitar situation. He has been playing for a little over a year from how he played, he is doing pretty good. His friend said to just come in and pick out a Taylor. I offered to play any guitar he wanted so he could hear what they sound like up front. I made sure he tried a few Ovations and I told him what I like about them. I had him turn his back and I played a few so he could try and judge by sound alone. Then he asked THE question..."What should I buy??" I did not strong arm the guy. I suggested that he get what suits him, not someone else. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm stopping by Huber again this evening for about an hour of koa/VIP time. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | So Brad, what did he buy? |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Popped into my local guitar shop, they just got in s/n 00013 '06 collector. Very, very, very nice with a $1980 sticker price + tax if anyone is looking for one...
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Location: south east Michigan | What did he buy?? Gee...I never found out. Next time I won't tell a story unless I know the ending.
Tim...Please..what did you like or dislike about it?? |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | At least Brad gave the guy some balance....my experience at Huber and Breese is that the salespeople LOVE Taylor and Martin (in that order), tolerate Gibson and ignore Ovation. And they look at you with a funny smile when they find out you like Ovations.....
Of course, what's different about that compared to most other shops, I guess????? :)
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Tim...Please..what did you like or dislike about it?? Humm....
Dislikes:
:( One-piece laminated neck...yuck, fugly comes to mind.
:( Cut of the neck, seems very round & a fat neck. I'm partial to the Adamas shallow-V necks myself.
Likes:
:D Contoured bowl...first time with it, really like how it rides and resounates on the tummy.
:eek: VIP...WOW, can I get it retrofitted into everything I have? I dumped it into a Marshall 100w stack, it really has some awesome settings.
:cool: Overall look of the Koa, just gorgeous. I think the bearclaw is the only thing I've seen that looks finer.
So, would I dump the $2k for it? Probably not, would spend it on an early AD I instead and have it retrofitted with the VIP.
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Location: NJ | ". . One-piece laminated neck . ."
es'plain that one to me, please . . . |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | It looks like it was cut from just one piece of wood, from blade of the head down to the bowl. No stripe, no joined halves, just one piece of wood.
Also, the neck feels like it weighs twice what the bowl weighs. The balance point seems to be around the ninth or tenth fret. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I agree with Tim. Beautiful looking Koa top. The neck looks nice, although it is VERY fat in depth. Overall the guitar is extremely heavy. The workmanship looked quite good and the setup was perfect. If you like the VIP or not, and if you like the unplugged sound or not is a personal matter of taste. Dave |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | It still strikes me as odd to make a Celebrity the same basic setup as your 06 Collector's edition. Our local GC (which carries CRAP for O selection) has one of the Celery-Koa models, and, though it's obviously no where's near the quality of the USA O's, it looks SERIOUSLY close cosmetically to the Koa Collector's.
I haven't had the chance to play the 06C, but I've always been fond of the Koa tops. Maybe subconsciously I'd rather be out hanging with Tim on the island... |
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- Get Andrew to join the OFC - Check
- get andrew to stay up late to post - Check
- Give Andrew extreme GAS - Check
- Get Andrew to start making up condescending names for Celebacy, Applesauce, SMartin and Trailor - Check
What's left?
BTW - The Ted Brown in Silverdale has a 2006 and a 2080 on order! |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Goals:
- Get Andrew to join the OFC - Check
- get andrew to stay up late to post - Check
- Give Andrew extreme GAS - Check
- Get Andrew to start making up condescending names for Celebacy, Applesauce, SMartin and Trailor - Check
What's left?
Give Andrew massive budget for soothing of GAS... :D |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Mike's latest attempt to pass his GAS off on someone else, then steal their guitars for a while... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Edensharvest is Andrew. He has changed his signature to Fat Gumbo Lee. ( I should have put the Blues name on my list of goals too).
All of this has inspired me to work on an OFC Board game.
Film at eleven... |
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All of this has inspired me to work on an OFC Board game. I'll take Tupperware in the top right corner for the win... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by cruster:
Originally posted by MWoody:
All of this has inspired me to work on an OFC Board game. I'll take Tupperware in the top right corner for the win... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | We already voted, Weaser. |
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| Well, the topic seemed to swing a bit from the start, but I have #87 of the 2006 Collectors, and it is a very nice axe. The top is beautiful, it is more comfortable to play with the contoured bowl, and the electronics package is a dream to use for recording.
The one piece neck seems to be a non-issue. It is stiff without being sterile. I, also, prefer the shallow V contour of the other Ovation necks, but, oddly enough, it really does not bother me on this guitar. It did on other Ovations that I have tried, but this neck is comfortable.
The cost for this guitar is higher than previous Collectors, but, in this case, I think it is worth the extra money. I also feel that the 2006 Ovation Collector wil actually increase in value as their limited numbers will command a premium price for those that were not fortunate enough to buy one before they sell out.
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