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Location: SoCal | Well, left up to OFC'ers, there was no agreement. This is a guitar that would not be possible without the work by Al. My projection is 10-12 total.
Most important, it is based on Al's parameters. Thus -8 with a/e.
So, take the 47RI and add a pre-amp and a different color. Originally the pre-amp decision was the 2-knobber. Believe that is still true. IMHO, a good pre-amp.
Price? Probably more than the list of the 47RI which is $4,999. Since Brother Bobby won't have it to sell, doubt if I will be able to get a deal like my offer for the 47RI.
I hope that they do make it - we'll have to see. It is going to take a long time for the factory to fill the 47RI orders. Bottom line, if you don't buy the 47RI, you may be out of luck and not be able to get a slothead. |
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Location: Australia | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Bottom line, if you don't buy the 47RI, you may be out of luck and not be able to get a slothead. [/QB] ....someone quoted the factory as saying that in the future you would be able to order a slothead model as a custom order.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There's lots of "quotes", lots of conjecture, lots of wish-lists. Perhaps even all dealers are not told exactly the same thing when they talk to "the factory". When your dealer talks to his Kaman salesperson, is he talking to "the factory"? We'll just have to wait and see if and when it happens.
I was a lurker over on the Martin board a few years back when they did their "UMGF Guitar". What a cluster-fuck for about 2 years of speculating and finger-pointing. But in the end it turned out to be a GREAT guitar (00-28 12 fret Slothead, Adarondik spruce w/ rosewood back and sides). They did it a little differently, in that all the UMGF really did was get Martin to make a particular special model aded to their catalog and then anyone interested (you, me, whoever) could go into any Martin dealer in the world, negociate your best deal, and place the order. They built the first 50 in sequence and then by special order after that. About 75 of them have been built so far. Just a different way of doing it that probably caused the board admin a lot less grief than we're giving Al lately.
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| Tupperware's Custom Custom Legend slothead would do nicely, but as a Legend. Suitable engraved TRC and everybody is happy. Forget all this fancy crap - how can it be an OFC guitar if only 10 or 12 people can afford it? Those that want to order a sky blue with pink polka dots 13 fret carved bridge 24k tuners with matching guitar strap made from the skin of 18 newly-born panda cubs can ask the factory. Nothing that has yet been mentioned seems remotely like a club guitar to me.
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Location: Snellville, GA | That's what I can't understand...4600 members and a special guitar that only 10 or 12 can afford??? |
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Location: SoCal | This started with something that OFC'er's could get to show their support of the OFC...quickly became something that the majority of the board can't afford. My belief is that whatever it is shouldn't cost more than $25-30.
I got the 47RI because I have little confidence that the OFC guitar will be made. Would like to see the OFC guitar (a 47RI with a/e) AND something else be available. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm sure that if Al could tell us something, he would. It must be a timing thing with the factory or something that just can't be announced until the time is right.
Even though I meant it in fun, I have been responsible for some reckless speculation myself.
I'm going to try real hard just to sit back and wait for it to happen. Maybe we will all be surprised. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | What the OFC guitar has been stated to be from the beginning is unfortunately, something that I can't afford, like Tony said, that is why I've been nowheres-ville on the threads on it, it has been a "non-starter" with me. It's a great guitar for those who can afford it, though.
Al certainly deserves a ton of credit for making this happen, and this is not meant as criticism in any way, shape or form of his efforts. But an "OFC guitar" that much of the membership can afford probably should have been in the $1000 to $1500 range. That probably would have limited it to a Legend or Folklore variation, though, and maybe the appeal of that wouldn't have been enough....one certainly can't criticize the appeal of the guitar as it has been presented.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hopefully, the response to the first one will convince the Mothership to do future ones....
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Location: Keller, TX | The response to the first one is gonna only be 5-10 due to its price. I hope they don't base future models on the response to the first one.
I think if the build a guitar with some custom features, lots more of us would buy one.
Like a 12 fret, cutaway, slothead, koa top, single sound hole, for example. :D |
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Location: N.J. | I think the bottom line on the OFC'er is that whatever model it is in and whatever color choices made available people are still gonna complain. There are just too many GREAT ideas for what it could be,{cutaway,non-cutaway,slothead,etc}.I actually liked the idea that we were having a "club guitar" but like most everyone else wasnt too thrilled on the price tag. I would however,rather have just one guitar than two or three cause I can see diaster in years to come on the secondary market.I'm looking forward to the finished production guitar,and the price...it is what it is. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | I have to say that I agree on the price/value idea, and, forgive me for saying this: why would an official Ovation Fan Club guitar have to be an Adamas? :eek: :eek: :eek: Don't get me wrong, I love my Adamas II, but I'm equally fond of my CL, and I know several people who swear by Elites, Balladeers, etc. A lot of die-hard Ovation fans have never owned or played an Adamas, and it really is its own unique animal. I would think that something that had an "O" marque rather than an "A" would be more suitable to the OFC guitar anyway.
Also, it would make sense from a business aspect to make something that would appeal to a broader base of the 4600 people on this site. Obviously, the 47RI is meant to be a fairly exclusive, limited production item with a high future market value. A "club" guitar made for Ovation's biggest fans would seem to me to be better off as something along the lines of one of the many great Collector's editions they have made. If Ovation produced something that was in the $1200 to $1500 range, still limited production, but more along the lines of a couple hundred rather than a dozen, I think that many more people would be interested.
Also, a big part of the massive debate that has ranged over the specs of this guitar can be attributed to the fact that it has a $5K price tag. Most people are going to be far pickier about something that costs three times as much as that which is less expensive.
I have no idea how much the factory pays attention to this board, as I haven't been here long, but frankly I'd like to see a little more "accessible" club guitar. If for no other reason, Ovation fans are about the most loyal, long-term group of instrumentalists there are. As a reward of sorts and an encouragement for more continued patronage, I would think that the factory would jump at a chance to inspire more customer loyalty with a great special edition guitar that many can afford.
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Location: Australia | The OFC guitar was decided on long ago.
If you like it and can find the cash then get your order in and if not don't worry about it.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Bottom line....how many '05 collectors were sold to OFC members and how many 06 collectors will be sold.
Probably no more than the 10-15 that we are talking about for an OFC guitar.
At least the members asking for the "OFC SPEC'ED" guitar have the money and are willing to actually spend it. Most others just talk about it but do nothing.
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Well, whether it's been talked to death or not, there are many people who haven't put in their two cents - which doesn't really matter as it seems that in large the issue has been decided already. I have the cash now to pick up an OFC if I wanted, so it's not even that so much that's the issue for me. It's more the concept of making an exclusive "Fan Club" guitar that costs more than a limited edition reissue of one of Ovation's finest. Does anyone else see this as kind of stupid?
I agree that from a business standpoint it makes no sense to make a guitar to the specs that dozens of people ask for who have no intention of actually purchasing one - you have to go with the requests of the people with the ability and inclination to buy. However, if there's only going to end up being 10 or 12 of these made due to the price, what's the point? Even the dozen people who actually want one at that price can't seem to agree on ALL the stats, so why don't we all just order custom guitars and scrap the whole project?
If I'm stirring up old dust, sorry. I just don't get the thought process here. Even financially, if Ovation could sell 10 guitars @ $5000 or 100 guitars @ $2000, which is going to profit them more in the long run? If I had the opportunity to make $200000 and get my product into 100 hands or make $50000 and only get 10, I would have to be crazy to turn down the larger amount. |
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Location: closely held secret | Seriously (did I say that?), the OFC guitar has been in the works for like 1 & 1/2 years, and now is not the time to start pressing for a totally different track.
I would love to buy one. But like many (most) of us, I'm not in a position to spend 3K+ on a guitar. Perhaps in the future Ovation will see fit to produce a limited edition of something 'really special' for us in a more affordable price range. We can hope.**
In the meantime, take it easy on Al. He's building a garage, you know.
And organizing the Tour. And overseeing this board. And trying to run a business.
And he'd probably rather take some time to sit and play his guitar.
**...or, we could just all buy old Balladeers and Dremels, and carve "OFC" in the headstock... |
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Location: NJ | I will talk to you at length about it at the tour. I will spend as much time as you like it on.
In fact, I encourage everyone to sign up for the tour. I would love to meet you all and talk to you. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | And I'd like to come. Maybe another year.
IF we all agreed on the same guitar we'd be a pretty boring bunch. eg:I'm holding out for the T'head re-issue. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Keller, TX | We(me at least) are not trying to stir things up or give Al more work to do. I would love to get a OFC collectible, just cannot swing the price tag on this one. I don't get to complain at home, nobody listens. ;)
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by ttenn:
I don't get to complain at home, nobody listens. ...and it's different here in what way? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | We listen. We just don't really care. I think of it as something akin to your friendly neighborhood bartender. He'll listen and nod in agreement all day long but he ain't changing sh*t for you in the end.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by schroeder:
Tupperware's Custom Custom Legend slothead would do nicely, but as a Legend. Suitable engraved TRC and everybody is happy. EVERYBODY will be happy??? NO WAY. So and so hates contour bowls. This guy hates widenecks, that persons thinks sunburst is ugly, blah, blah, blah ...
What everyone seems to want is a guitar that meets all of THEIR specs. An OFC guitar will be a compromise in one way or the other. If you don't want to compromise, then just order your own custom guitar and save poor Al a shitload of touble. On the other hand, if you want an OFC guitar that shows your loyality to the club and the bond with the others who own one, then get in line for whatever Al comes up with and stop bitching about it. You can't have it both ways.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Koa is definitely not easy or cheap to find. I spoke with a luthier a few months ago who confirmed that. He didn't wish to build with koa anymore because it was so expensive that he couldn't sell an instrument for a decent margin(customers "expect" a certain price from him, and it required almost that much to obtain the wood and build it).
My personal desire for an OFC guitar would be along the lines of a gloss-top FD14, with a nice rosette like a Legend. Maybe down the road....
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
Koa is definitely not easy or cheap to find. Roger Koa sounds fine, but there's cheaper wood which sounds better, spruce or cedar for a start. Black Acacia is closely related to Koa, looks very similar, sounds at least as good and sets are around half the price. |
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| Not bitchin' - making a point. That's how you conduct an argument.
My point remains the same. I don't want an OFC guitar but for those who do - great. The point is that members of a club choose a club tie usually on the understanding that everybody in the club can afford one and that the tie will be worn. They don't normally choose one that only the very, very few can afford and will instantly be a collector's item whether you mean it to be or not.
If this guitar comes out at $3k you can print OFC on the peghead, TRC, label and case but it still won't have any real relation to the club will it? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Is the OFC store going to reopen? I can afford a hat! |
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I agree that an OFC Guitar at $1500 would be more democratic but an OFC also needs to be "the full monty" or "Big Al" so its unlikely. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Come on Schroeder, I wasn't accusing you of bitching. Brit's don't bitch, they just whine. Actually I agree with your point almost completely. I hate to keep bringing up Martin. But let's say the average Martin guitar costs about 3x what the average Ovation does. How much to you think the Martin club guitar cost? $3200. and they have sold about 75 of them to date. You can still buy (order) them. I like your analogy of the club tie (that's a compliment coming from HWMUA). Yes everyone in the club should be able to buy the club tie. If some want a diamond tie pin to go with it, that's their choice. I would argue that an Ovation guitar isn't quite as trival as a tie, but nor should it be as illusive as a diamond.
Now, to drive Al completely nuts, maybe a better idea is to FORGET about an OFC "guitar" but rather just have an OFC "upgrade" which is for a nominal price you can get an "OFC logo" abalone inlay on the 12th fret and a special label inside the bowl - and you can order it on ANY FEAKING MODEL YOU WANT. If you want other custom features or changes, then you just order them and pay for them as usual.
I personally appologize to Al, because I think we're driving him absolutely out of his mind with this shit. What he started as a great offer and service has turned into a heavy weight around his neck. I'm as guilty as anyone. The only consolation to Al is that he has my cedit card number on file (a dreadful thought).
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Location: south east Michigan | Dave...you beat me to it. Just about an hour ago I thought about the possiblity of an "upgrade option" that would be available as a special order. Just spec out the guitar you want and add the option.
I did my best to lay low on this. I guess did not do very well.
I think it's time we all stand and pronounce the club motto.
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I would love to meet you all and talk to you. Man, now I really wish I was going to the tour.
Oh well, hopefully Al and I will get to meet at Tony's SoCal Shindig.....Hawaiian shirts optional! |
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Let's all remember this is a guy from Joisey who would like to talk to us....... and remember how much he hates people that say Joisey..... |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | An "OFC upgrade option" would REALLY drive the factory (and Al) nuts. If there are 200 orders, there will be 200 flavors of ice cream! I'd presume they'd all have to be done in a run for the unique graphics, etc., so every one would be a unique custom order!!!! Not likely.
More likely is successive runs of different "OFC guitars", which Al alluded to, and which makes perfect sense from a production standpoint.
I agree with Paul T., my preference is for spruce or cedar for a soundboard. Redwood is good, but awfully fragile.
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Location: SoCal | why don't we all just order custom guitars and scrap the whole project?
There are many posts in archive concerning the OFC guitar for review.
If I remember correctly, the idea of an OFC guitar being a reissue of the original slothead started before the 47RI project was announced. IMHO, what started as an idea to create an OFC guitar quickly became a wish list for something that wouldn't be available - a reissue of the original slothead, not available by special order. The "Holy Grail". Expensive but not nearly as expensive as the original slothead (if you could find one).
Then, initial frustration because the 47RI was -2 red and acoustic. Most of the individuals that showed interest in the OFC guitar wanted -8 blue with a pre-amp. So, the OFC project continued.
This is a unique opportunity - get the 47RI, the OFC, or both. Guess you could look at the OFC as a one-time custom order available only at the end of the 47RI run. Not going to happen again. Sure, you may be able to have a slothead neck attached to a contour bowl but it would not be a reissue of the original.
This is the one-time offer by the factory for members of the OFC.
If we tried to get an OFC instrument, we'd be lucky to find a kazoo that everyone could buy. Some guys and gals are retired, some with small children, some just bought a couple of expensive guitars, etc. Personally, a few years ago, I couldn't have bought some of the guitars that I have. However, there may 10-12 who can take advantage of the opportunity. Value? To some, no; to others, yes.
Again, we should not think of it as the OFC guitar! It is a special guitar only available to those in the OFC.
We should create a strap or something with a reasonable cost for those on the board. As with the calendar, pool the talents of some of the members to find a supplier, create a design, and sell pre-orders. Then, no problem ($25-45). |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Tony, I agree - I think that the "OFC Guitar" thing has thrown a lot of people into confusion (it sure did me). And to all, particularly to Al, I was not intending in any way to stir up a bee's nest and rehash a million old conversations, so sorry if I got something started (or restarted). As I said, I came late to this party, and was just trying to figure out why this was put together as it is.
I think that if something is going to be done as an "OFC Exclusive," it does make much more sense for it to be a little thing that is universally available to all, like a strap, picks, etc. Heck, even making TRC's that had an OFC logo on them would be kind of cool. As you said, most of us have tight resources - I personally live on a fairly limited budget with two young kids at home, and big guitar spending is a luxury that I rarely can afford. On the other hand, I am very glad for this board and would like to be supportive of it and our mutual favorite guitar maker. If Ovation came out with a lesser expensive "OFC" model, or even a series of multiple limited editions, remakes, upgrades, or whatever, I would definitely be interested in getting one, as I think would many others here.
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by schroeder:
How can I remember what I never knew?
Discuss in 1500 words. you obviously have not read many of the posts I have made. how's that?
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Alpep....man of few words but great wisdom.
(8 words, 4 periods) Stephent28... man of fewer words but an inability to count to 5. |
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Stephent29... man of fewer words but an inability to count to 5. and Wabbit...never known for his ability to get someone's screen name correct. |
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Fortunately, you cannot edit the edit I made of your edit before you tried to edit my edit. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by edensharvest:
The power of editing is like the power of roses - they both get a lot of guys out of a lot of trouble... :D Now THAT is the first post worth reading in a quite a while! |
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Now THAT is the first post worth reading in a quite a while! Also a great idea for soothing GAS pains with SWMBO! |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Originally posted by Slipkid:
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Paul, you know that guys don't have a level playing field. The guy always loses is the one universal truth. My wife has spent more on clothes just for me that were "too good a bargain to pass up" than I have spent on guitars. |
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November 2005
Posts: 4832
Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by cliff:
Canadians have "accents"?? I don't have an accent, y'all have accents! :p
29 years married here...AND THEY NEVER HAD A FIGHT! :rolleyes:
But I'm lucky. My wife's family was in the building supply business. She likes tools as much as me and guitars almost as much.
Unfortunately I do not fully understand this G.A.S. of which you speak. The condition has been described to me..... but it's a lot like drinking without getting drunk for me... :confused:
(Okay, I'd really like to have an 12 string "O", a telecaster, and ...... I think that's about it. Too easy.) :eek: |
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