Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine
ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 12:10 PM (#247918)
Subject: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Hi! I am a newbie here and a regular over on Harmony Central's Cool Jam forum. I have one of the original carved headstock Adamas guitars (#8), and its been years since it has had any setup or repairs. Can you recommend a repair facility close to Southern Maine? I am having issues with my mono jack and I'm sure my truss rod could use a twist or two. Thanks in advance for your responses...
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2006-07-11 12:15 PM (#247919 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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Take a drive to Hartford and let the factory do the work for you. You have a treasure.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 12:30 PM (#247920 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Thank you for your feedback. Much appreciated.

This guitar has some history associated with it as well. My dad worked for Kaman Aerospace and did some of the early resonance studies on the materials that went into Ovation's synthetic and composite materials. He was a stress engineer working on rotor blades, an application where resonant frequencies were a bad thing, and the research came across materials like carbon fiber where the ability to reproduce and amplify resonant frequencies were very abundant. This guitar hung on Charlie Kaman's office wall for several years and then was raffled off. My dad and I bought it from the raffle winner @ Kaman for my High School graduation present - $750.00 in 1978. In 1984 I rescued it (literally) from my burning apartment building, the case still bears the scorch marks. Because my dad has passed and because of its sentimental value, I will never part with it.

I may try to repair the jack myself - I do the repairs on my electrics. I wondered if there was anything non-standard about the mono jack - i.e. IC boards, etc. It worked up until recently so I think its a solder joint that has failed. I would suspect I would need to undo the outer nut and extract the wiring harness leads and the jack through the rear access panel. Anyone done this? This one has the walnut knobs - tone and volume controls only. Its a blue one, by the way, with the gold-flecked bowl.
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cliff
Posted 2006-07-11 12:33 PM (#247921 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Can you post/e-mail some pics??
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alpep
Posted 2006-07-11 12:39 PM (#247922 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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please contact me at alpep@aol.com I need to talk to you es-135 john
thanks
al
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-07-11 12:48 PM (#247923 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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On a list of the top 10 places to have your Ovation worked on, the factory in Hartford takes the first nine spots.
I'm sure they would be thrilled to work on that guitar.
And welcome to the OFC John.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 1:01 PM (#247924 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Thank you, folks. I appreciate your responses and intend to keep my presence here. I recently finished up eight years in a classic rock band (semi-pro, yes I have a day job as a technical writer/BA) and have decided to go the trio route to get more opportunities to play out up heya' in Maine. My ovation is getting more use than ever alongside a newer National resonator and my Gibson ES-135.

As for pixs - I will have to borrow a digital camera to do it justice. Hopefully someone here at work has access and can lend me one for a few minutes. I have the guitar with me. As an aside: Can pixs files be attached directly in this forum or do I have to serve them up from a remote server?

I will give the factory a call and arrange a drop-off in a few weeks when I am down to my hometown (Simsbury, CT). Hopefully a quick turnaround time - hate to not have it around.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 1:05 PM (#247925 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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alpep - email sent. Thanks.
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2006-07-11 1:09 PM (#247926 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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You can click the "members area" button on the left menu (if you have it) or go to the main Ovation Fan Club page (by clicking the link at the bottom of this page), and upload photos there. Then you "live link" then into your messages. We definatley want to see pics!!!
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2006-07-11 1:17 PM (#247927 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Hey John,

on the same label with the model number (1687-8) are there any other numbers?
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 1:27 PM (#247928 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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The label has:
Charles Kaman (signature)
9/26/78
0384-87-1687-8
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cliff
Posted 2006-07-11 1:59 PM (#247929 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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I'm assuming that it doesn't have a slotted headstock??
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-07-11 2:00 PM (#247930 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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***hoo boy***
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2006-07-11 2:02 PM (#247931 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Serial number: 384 (middle of 1978)
"top frequency response": 87 (ask somone else to explain)

Model: 1687 (deep bowl, A/E)

Color: 8 (original Adamas blue)

*all info from the "refrence section" of the OFC main page.
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bvince
Posted 2006-07-11 2:13 PM (#247932 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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Hi John,

Welcome to the board! I'd like to see a picture of your ES-135 also. I used to have one of those.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2006-07-11 2:56 PM (#247933 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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Originally posted by Slipkid:
On a list of the top 10 places to have your Ovation worked on, the factory in Hartford takes the first nine spots.
I'm sure they would be thrilled to work on that guitar.
And welcome to the OFC John.
What's number ten? My bet is it will be the factory in Hartford. :D

Welcome to the OFC John.

My guess is you have an EXTREMLEY valuable and wonderful sounding instrument.
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Alaskan Fly Guy
Posted 2006-07-11 3:03 PM (#247934 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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I know that several of you have John Bundy's number at your finger tips. Someone ought to post it for him.
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dvd
Posted 2006-07-11 3:21 PM (#247935 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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John Budny
Customer Service Manager
Ovation Instruments
37 Greenwoods Rd
New Hartford, CT 06057

800-552-4681

jbudny-kmc@kaman.com
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 3:54 PM (#247936 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Wow! Thanks for the clarification on the serial numbers - I never knew the secret code! The headstock is not slotted - its solid and carved with most of the mass at the tip. The guitar is bright - and really projects.

I will have some pictures tomorrow after I get ahold of my dept's digital camera. I should have a pix of my ES-135LE around here somewhere as well.

I appreciate the help - its nice to more about the Adamas - heading out to use it at practice shortly. Nice to meet all of you as well.
- John
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-11 4:05 PM (#247937 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Thank you for the contact info - you guys are great. I especially like the fact that you guys are into the Ovations - they tend to get slammed by the purists around me but I have to believe they have closed minds. I have a rather eclectic guitar quiver, so it goes right along with the Adamas.

I have been in love with the sound of the Adamas from day 1 - never heard anything like it or close to it (yes, my ears by now are biased!!) I am currently infatuated with it in Open D tuning - the resonance of the guitar just rings and rings and rings. Its my go-to guitar when I am writing - it just feels good in my hands and sounds as good if not better acoustically than plugged in.

As for value - I have no idea. I am not letting go of it, but perhaps fr insurance purposes should probably get it appraised.

Thank you for your warm welcome to OFC.
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worshipleader
Posted 2006-07-11 6:43 PM (#247938 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Man - it isn't often that someone with an instrument like this one just pops up on the board. Welcome John, and most of us are dying to see, and maybe one day have a chance to play, your Adamas. Ya see, we have this little get together every Spring in New Hartford ...
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-07-11 10:25 PM (#247939 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Geez... John's got no problem gettin' a prom date.

Welcome. Cool story, great guitar. New Hartford is the place to have it tweekt.

(You guys, distract him with a Llama joke, I'll sneek behind and nap the tupperware (you know which one I mean)
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-12 9:52 AM (#247940 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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New Hartford in the Springtime - hmm...there is an outing place just up the hill from the factory where in High School at a reunion we broke just about every underage drinking and depravity law known to the Nutmeg State! I appreciate the welcome and brought my fiddle back to work today just so I can get some photos of it to you. Looks like early afternoon EDT I should be able to get some pixs posted.

Last night a rehearsal it was so humid that electronics were optional - so we unplugged and went for it. The Adamas blew away my singing partner's high end Taylor.... especially in the upper midrange area...

Catch up with you guys soon.

- John
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-07-12 4:00 PM (#247941 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Back to one of your questions: Yes, you can remove the jack by taking off the nut and resoldering if necessary. If the older Adamas are like my 1537, however, put in a new battery that you know is good. My 1537 went dead and even though the battery tested good, it was low enough that the preamp didn't work at all. After wasting a lot of time testing all the wiring, I put in a new battery and it was fine.
You don't need me to tell you that we love your guitar.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-12 5:26 PM (#247942 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Thank you Mark - I caught that! Its a welcome and new perspective - most folks don't know what one is, and when its not square and boxy and woody, they lose interest. I hope to get access to the digital camera here at work tomorrow - it was out on loan for actual business purposes (imagine that!) - the nerve of some people!

Thanks for the info on the jack - I was hoping the wiring harness was long enough to be able to pull it out far enough to fix it myself. I did replace the battery recently, and because th stereo jack works fine (I fixed the balance issue - operator error in the mixer channel trim setting)so I dont think its the battery. I have heard it fuzz out when the battery is dying.

Pixs soon... sorry to keep you waiting.
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Beal
Posted 2006-07-12 8:24 PM (#247943 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine



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Well John, you sure got everybody excited here. I would agree that the factory is the best 9 places to get it fixed. My house is number 10.
What have you got for a National?. The factory will be on thier shutdown starting this Friday for two weeks so keep that in mind on your trip down to Simsbubble. You could drop it off at the offices in Bloomfield if you're down here during this time.
Welcome to the club.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-13 4:14 PM (#247944 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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OK - I have the pictures - but I have neither have a left hand menu or an means on the Ovation Fan Club page to get them into the site. Any ideas? Anyone want to volunteer an email so I can send them to you to post? I think my browser is blocking some of the content in the site - is this ability to load images contained within in a pop-up window?
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Waskel
Posted 2006-07-13 4:33 PM (#247945 - in reply to #247918)
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Click on the 'Ovation Fan Club" link at the bottom of this page. That should give you the left hand frame. Then follow the "Member Access" link.

...or click here.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-07-13 4:43 PM (#247946 - in reply to #247918)
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Very Nice!!!!!

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Slipkid
Posted 2006-07-13 4:53 PM (#247947 - in reply to #247918)
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Very, very nice John.
Stick around...you'll like it here.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-07-13 4:59 PM (#247948 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Now THAT'S the blue in which the OFC guitar should be done!!
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-13 5:16 PM (#247949 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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OK - Here goes:



My close friend.



I love the attention to detail. Best finished guitar I own.



Some hazing has started over the past few years ...



Sorry - a bit blurry. Damn digital cameras!



Part of the eclectic quiver - Adamas, Fender Toronado with DeArmond GoldTone Pickups, Metropolitan Glendale - handmade, chambered body, Rio Grande pickups, old MAP guitar style (but this one you can actually play!), and a late 50's/early 60's Guild MK II classical. Missing are my ES-13LE, A National Resolectric, and a late 40's Kay Imperial which is in basketcase condition (cracks and all).
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-13 5:19 PM (#247950 - in reply to #247918)
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Phew! It worked! Enjoy! Pixs of the rest of quiver soon.
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-13 5:21 PM (#247951 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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I intend to - you guys are great and from some of the other threads I have been scanning, most of you have a great sense of humor!
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-13 5:37 PM (#247952 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Here is a shot of me playing my brother's 1932 National Duolian. This was in February down in Atlanta at the IF Coffee House. I picked this up from a guy in Bangor, Maine a decade ago for my brother, it had been in a Dixmont, Maine barn for 50 years, still had the original case, strings, warranty card and capo! The guitar was literally coated in copper oxide, wood and all. It's a green glue-chip duco finish, and has a submarine pickup in it (ala Bonnie Raitt).

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Beal
Posted 2006-07-13 5:39 PM (#247953 - in reply to #247918)
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Now if you ever want to get rid of that Duolian, let me know....
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MWoody
Posted 2006-07-13 6:07 PM (#247954 - in reply to #247918)
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Some dawgs never quit chasing them hubcaps...
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Nice little family you have going there!
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ES-135_John
Posted 2006-07-14 8:51 AM (#247955 - in reply to #247918)
Subject: Re: Repair Recommendations for My Adamas - Maine


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Thank you. The oldies were my dad's - the Guild and the Kay Imperial. He had the Kay with him when he was up in Greenland for three years during the ealy 50's, up at BW8 in Thule putting in an airstrip there. Tha guitar needs some help. I traded a sweet Les Paul Std for the Metro and have never regretted it. For its size, its extremely light and the pickups have a depth I havent heard in other solid (semi-solid bodies).
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