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Location: NJ | Ten years ago today, TWA Flight 800 exploded off the coast of New York. 230 people (including Marcel Dadi) were lost. |
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Location: SE Michigan | And from what I understand, there are still a lot of 747's still flying around with the same defective wiring. But they fixed it on Air Force One.
I guess they decided that the cost to lives-lost ratio just wasnt worth the expense. That's part of the reason why flying for me is a last resort. I'll fly if I have to, but only if there are no other reasonable alternatives. |
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Location: NJ | The system that replaces the fuel/air mixture in the voids of the fuel tanks with inert nitrogen has since been installed on all military craft (which AF1 is one of). It was deemed too "costly" to adopt it to commercial flights. Our FAA at work . . . |
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Location: SoCal | I'm with Brian. If I have to fly, I will, but I don't like it. If the trip is under 500 miles, I'll always take my car. It can't auger into a cornfield at 50 mph, and has never lost my luggage..... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | You only drive 50 miles an hour? You'll never get there at that speed!!! |
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Location: SoCal | Excuse me, that should read 500 mph...... |
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Location: NJ | I've driven with you Moody (in your native habitat). You've got better "chances" on a plane . . . |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I used to fly a 1965 Piper PA-28 Colt ragwing, the two place version of the Tri-Pacer. On windy days I used to get passed by the traffic on the highway below me. "Time to spare? Go by air." You could pretty much land it across the width of the runways at IAH with any kind of a headwind and if the brakes were working on that day. |
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Location: SoCal | Clifford, wasn't it you with on the road who kept saying, "In Joisey, we'd off that mutha!" |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | An old (P51, I think) just crashed into a house near the airport in Hillsboro, Oregon this weekend at an airshow. My parents and sister live within 6 blocks of that airport. Only the pilot was killed. The house he hit exploded, but there was no one in it. I also prefer driving. |
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Location: NJ | . . . a "crash" at an AirShow . . . how novel . . . |
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Location: Oregon | Yeah. I'd hate to be the lady who came home to no home. Although I'am sure she'll get a new one from all the donations she is about to receive. |
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Location: N.J. | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Clifford, wasn't it you with on the road who kept saying, "In Joisey, we'd off that mutha!" I was born and raised in Jersey City,NJ. I went to CO. in the mountain towns to visit a buddy of mine and we were driving down a typical Colorado rocky road{no other car for miles each direction}.Well, I heard something that sounded like gunfire EXTREMELY CLOSE to our truck {4 wheel rear axle} and my first thought was it was some nut sniping us from a tree.I immediately hit the floor of the truck.Everyone in the vehicle got a HUGE laugh out of it and thought it was reallll funny. Turns out we had a blowout on a rear tire and that was the loud bang,but it still struck me as odd how casual everyone was.
Back on topic I remember all the missile theories that surrounded this disaster. There are still some guys over here at Earl and the Sandy Hook coast guard that say thats what happened.I didnt know Marcel was on that flight.Horrible way to go... :( |
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Location: SoCal | Looks like that was a MK-58A Hawker Hunter jet (about 1950-52 era), flown by an attorney from Los Angeles. Not a reflection on his flying ability but he crashed into a house in 1989 near Santa Monica. Not photos of actual a/c that crashed but the same model:
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Location: NJ | Yeah, I remember all of the MissileTheorists as well . . .
Evidently, there were quite a few people out that night that said they saw . . . "something" . . . |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Tony, maybe they said '51 and I heard P51. I tried to figure out how close it was to my relatives' houses, but there wasn't a clue in the stuff I read. I should have just called my Dad back, but he had just talked to my daughter about it while I was out mowing the lawn. This attorney not only can't afford a jet, he has to mow his own lawn. |
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Location: closely held secret | The crash in Hillsboro wasn't part of the airshow. After the 1989 crash the pilot decided not to participate in airshows anymore, he just brought the jet to display. The crash occured as he was taking off to return to LA. The miracle is no one else was killed, even though the tanks were full and the fireball charred 3 other houses. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Give all the attorneys fighter jets. I'll take my chances. Sorry about flight 800 though. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | I was not far away when this happened. I saw this plane in the air, and then about a minute later I saw a huge column of black smoke, and I thought, that has to be a coincidence. Then I saw a secondary column of smoke and knew it must have crashed.
If he'd have crashed 10 seconds earlier he probably would have taken out one of Intel's newest chip fabrication plants (Ronler Acres).. they run 24/7 and the place is full of chemicals.. that would have been a major disaster, both financially and almost certainly a loss of lives.
Mark, here's a map of where it went down. The arrow is actually pointing to the wrong house. Go to the right two houses, the one on the pie-shaped lot in the very corner.. that's the one he it. They think he was trying to aim for the field between the houses and New Seasons Market.
1951 Hawker Hunter crash site
Plane crashes get a lot of press, but you\'re way more likely to die in a car . |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by an4340:
Give all the attorneys fighter jets. I'll take my chances. Sorry about flight 800 though. It's not the lawyers I worry about, it's all those doctors in V-tailed Bonanzas! When I was working towards my VFR ticket, I used to fly alot with a doctor working on his IFR ticket, we used the same flight instructor. The doctor owned a Cessna 177 Cardinal (high wing, no struts, very nice plane). After we both got our tickets he asked if I wanted to go along with him on a trip to Long Island so he could see his family for Thanksgiving. I thought, wow, sounds like a nice little cross-country adventure. Two days up and two days back from Houston. I had absolutely no idea what an adventure it would be. Everything thing from a sputtering engine due to water in the fuel we bought in Meridian Miss., to an illegal IFR approach below minimums into Salsbury, Md with iced up wings. As it turned out that was actually his first IFR approach in instrument meteorological conditions. Made the catasrophic engine failure I had on take off a couple of years later a piece of cake.
That trip made me decide that if I couldn't fly something that could fly above the weather, that I'd be just as content flying just for the fun of it in clear weather. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Too close to home. My parents live west of Shute on Brogden, south of the airport. Sister lives west of the airport and a brother lives just off Cornell, north of the Sunset Highway. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Originally posted by cliff:
Yeah, I remember all of the MissileTheorists as well . . .
Evidently, there were quite a few people out that night that said they saw . . . "something" . . . I read the James Anders book and I'm convinced that Flight 800 was brought down by a missile. For those who are interested look at this article: Flight 800
In the 10 years since the downing of Flight 800, there have been several million commercial flights and the "center fuel tank explosion" has never recurred. |
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Location: Illinois | Originally posted by cliff:
The system that replaces the fuel/air mixture in the voids of the fuel tanks with inert nitrogen has since been installed on all military craft (which AF1 is one of). It was deemed too "costly" to adopt it to commercial flights. Our FAA at work . . . It ain't the FAA. It's the commercial carriers. The same ones that within a week of 9/11/01 decried to prospect of baggage search and other terrorist exposing requirements proposed by the FAA. |
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Location: NJ | The report that I read cited the FAA. |
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Location: Illinois | "Missile theorists..."
Yeah, I've always been dubious about the cause of that disaster. I often wonder if we, the general public, is kept in the dark about pre 09/11/01 terrorism stuff.
I've also read the conspiracy theorists' theories about 09/11/01 too. I've subsequently read the debunking of said conspiracy theories which seem to have more credibility.
Looks like there's plenty of motivation to espouse this theory or that, however far fetched. Who knows what to believe? The only thing for sure is that those people are gone, never to return. :( God bless them and their families. +- |
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Location: Houston, Texas | The FAA is charged with the responsibility to promote and encourage aviation as well as define safety requirements. The two often conflict with one another. The FAA does have the authority to mandate fuel tank nitrogen purge systems but they haven't because it conflicts with trying to keep a struggling airline industry afloat financially. |
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| Mitchrx, I just saw your post. You are correct. I read that particular book, but I also grew up in an aviation family, and it is common knowledge that twa800 was shot down by a missle, as either resulting from a nearby military training-mission accident, or resulting from an otherwise unidentified hostile source. A serious website exists on this matter, www.twa800.com. (And, if the entire video of the 911 pentagon crash should "happen" to be released before the next presidential conventions, it will rock this nation...) |
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Location: SoCal | Steve, it is not common knowledge... |
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Location: NJ | Nothing surprises me anymore . . . |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | There is a consipracy theory to cover every eventuallity. Because many people deny the elegant simplicity of Occam's razor. |
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Location: SoCal | Occam was my kinda guy.... he obviously catered to simpletons like me. |
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Location: Illinois | Originally posted by Steve:
...(And, if the entire video of the 911 pentagon crash should "happen" to be released before the next presidential conventions, it will rock this nation...) Several squads of lunatics, under the auspices of religious authority, hijacked air planes and crashed them into heavily populated buildings, thereby killing thousands of civilians... because they hate us. :eek:
What could possibly rock this country, USA, more?
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Location: Illinois | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Occam was my kinda guy.... he obviously catered to simpletons like me. I am somewhat inclined to resond to your view of the sidebar matter at hand, relating to the theories attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham, in the affermative.
or rather:
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Location: SoCal | Finally, someone who understands me...... my wife has claimed that I'm a simpleton for years... "My name's Forrest Gump. People call me Forrest Gump". |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | "Stupid is as Stupid does"
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Location: SoCal | Run Forrest, run! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Just in case someone doesn't know what we're talking about, a wikipedia link to ...(YAAAAAH! why am I having so much trouble getting a link here?) Occam's" target="_blank" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor]Occam's">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor]Occam's Razor One translation, my favourite, is; Where many possible answers exist, the simplest is invariable correct. |
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