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Location: Phoenix AZ | Please do NOT turn this into a political thread !!!
On Sunday night I went to see the movie “U.S. vs. John Lennon”. It was incredibly good. Basically a documentary (without the moore-ovian fact-twisting dribble) of the years 1969 to 1974 and governments growing uneasiness with the impact that John Lennon was having on the political scene and how the gov’t was trying to deport him. Background that with the Vietnam war protests, civil unrest, Kent State, Democratic convention, etc. and you get the idea. It was time that a lot of us on this board were in our formative high school and college years. The memories are stunning.
The music clips are amazing. No Ovations to be seen. John played various Gibsons and Martins. Plus a dandy National Resophonic on “John Sinclair”. Great footage. The video of John, Yoko and Tom Smothers playing “Give Peace A Chance” in bed is worth the theater admission alone. Forget all the political BS, this movie is a SERIOUS musical tour de force on its own.
The only downside of course is Yoko. She holds the keys to all this treasure trove of video and would only allow it’s use if there was no mention whatsoever or Paul McCartney or Julian Lennon. Plus Yoko does WAY, WAY to much interview and commentary. But that’s the price you have to pay.
I would strongly urge you to go see this movie.
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Location: NJ | I saw the tail-end of the "trailer" for this film when I was entering a theatre t'see something else.
It's definitely on my "List". |
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Location: NJ | I saw the commercial and thought it would be interesting.
but I like almost every music movie I have seen.
did anyone catch "fearless freaks" it is about the band the flaming lips. |
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Location: Midland, MI | did anyone catch "fearless freaks" it is about the band the flaming lips. I like The Flaming Lips; didn't know there was a movie out! Did you happen to catch their Austin City Limits performance? They had a couple dozen people dressed up in furry animal costumes surrounding the stage, waving those huge spotlight/flashlight things around...and they covered War Pigs. Heh. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | I can understand no mention of Paul McCartney, but why not Julian Lennon? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Hizzoner:
I can understand no mention of Paul McCartney, but why not Julian Lennon? Same reason no mention of Cynthia. |
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Location: NJ | Yoko pretty much cut Julian (and Cynthia) out of everything that even remotely related to John . . . |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | The only downside of course is Yoko.
I remember the days of getting up to pick up the turn table arm, to skip over her BS songs, whenever they appeared on Lennon's albums. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm a Beatle junkie, and will do it on netflix. Is it a Yoko Ono production or someone independent? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It's independent, but Yoko provides about 20% of the commentary. Dave |
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| I'm 45 very soon now and so far in the 35 years or so of Musical knowledge and conversations (about music in general) with friends and fellow musicians, as well as watching all the media people and shows concerning the Fab Four and all things Beatles. Not once, Not once! in my knowledge has anyone ever said that they, nor anyone they ever met say, they LIKED Yoko Ono....
Now how can that many people be wrong?
Right???
This woman is a creap and for the life of me I do not understand how John, with as musically creative as he was, could have invloved this strange creature so much in "His" music. She did and does not have one creative bone in her nasty little body and I sure can't wait until she is out of the information loope concerning John and his music. I'd love to see an unbiased life and times of this guy.
I did not aagree with all his political views and to be honest all he ever did was use his image and talk a lot about utopia and peace and dispaly his politics he did not have that much of an impact on anyone in the end. So I could care shit less about his views just like I do not care about any entertainers views on these subjects....I did like his music and I do often wonder what great things he would still be contributing to the musical world. Like so many great musicians who died way before their time it is a real loss.
Just out of curiosity does anyone in here think Yoko has anything to offer to anyone?? She should just live off John's earnings and stop managing a great musicans lost life and interjecting her prejudices every chance she gets. She did enough of it when John was alive.....
Sorry if I am to hard on her. Not!
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Location: SoCal | Randy, don't hold back... what do you really think about Yoko? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Exactly. You're among friends...don't beat around the bush...don't stutter, man - SAY IT!
(Holy shit - as much as I tend to agree with 'im, I hope he's not in charge of my eulogy. Come to think of it, I hope nobody is in charge of my eulogy!)) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Quote By Weaser P I hope nobody is in charge of my eulogy! Weaser, i have some very disturbing news for you :D |
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Location: NJ | OK I'll bite "don't worry kyoko momma's only waitig for a hand in the snow" is a great groove. Did yoko write it? probably not probably john did with clapton but it is still a good groove. I bought a bunch of the yoko stuff just to have it. I thought beatles stuff and yoko stuff would be collectible. who knows. but is it any stranger than tangerine dream or brian eno or stockhausen? I kinda understand the mindset.
one time i was at a jam and we played cold turkey. after that I went into don't worry kyoko... the bass player kept up with me and KNEW what tune it was. All I could do was laugh, cause I thought I was the only one who knew the tune. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Quote By Weaser P I hope nobody is in charge of my eulogy! Weaser, i have some very disturbing news for you :D |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | No, I'm in charge of your eulogy. |
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| Well Al First time I got you to bite in a while and I have tried... So I guess I have a new tune to learn on the bass for ya at the next jam I do plan to make. But we just don't know what Jam that might be. I am batting a big fat ZERO so far making it to one. My loss too This one looked like a lot of fun just like the rest you've had.
You like a Yoko Ono song....... Ya just love to be different don'tcha Al???
Hey; if you say it's a tune to do for fun, well then to prove I am open to new things I'll give the crazy old broads song a whirl! Hope I can find it on the net.... I'd hate to buy it and give the old cheap creep any more money.
Don't know about a eulogy but I do know
I want a head stone even if I ask I just be burned because it is cheaper for my family.
On it I'd like a little epitath that reads
"Well that sure was interesting"
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Location: NJ | randy
it is the flip side of the cold turkey 45
yes I bought it as a 45 when it came out. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
No, I'm in charge of your eulogy. Well, that settles it. I'm not goin' 'til you do.
And, boy, is SWMBO ticked at you! |
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| Funny thing Al is that 45 is actually going to be worth something someday. You made a good purchase there I'll bet. And yeah I'll admit anything She did would be funny to know.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Northcountry:
Just out of curiosity does anyone in here think Yoko has anything to offer to anyone?? A couple, three, four years ago, the Detroit Institute of Arts (DIA) had a Yoko Ono art exhibit. Sort of. It consisted of a train car shot full of bullet holes parked in front of the DIA (on the lawn). At dusk, massive spotlights inside the car would switch on and, so, shafts of light would come out of aforementioned bulletholes. All of which was accompanied by a 'soundtrack' that consisted of atonal music with lyrics sung in a language I've never heard before. And moaning. And the sounds of chains. And other weird stuff.
You can read about the 'sculpture' here , although their description doesn't really capture the full flavor. I think she offered a lot to the people of Detroit through her art.
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Location: SoCal | I hate the thought of defending Yoko Ono, but there are a couple of things to consider.
First, when John was alive, it was fairly well known that she handled his business and money. From what I read, she did well, while he wasn't terribly capable or interested in it.
Second, she provided him with stability, which he badly needed. For a guy who was a major rebel for a lot of years, he was happy staying at home and raising a son. Something to be said for that.
Last, whether we see something positive in Yoko or not, John did. If you are going to respect his music and who he was, you should respect his choices as well.
But having said all that, I thought she sounded like sh!t when she sang, and I never ever understood her art.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The first 10 minutes of the movie actually goes into this pretty well. We may dislike her music or think that she somehow broke up the band or stole John from us, or whatever. But honestly, they sure seemed like two pretty damn in-love people and who are we to wish anything less for someone. Yes, I'd rather eat a dead donkey's duck than listen to her sing. But so what. Dave |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Last, whether we see something positive in Yoko or not, John did. If you are going to respect his music and who he was, you should respect his choices as well. Did Moody say this? Wow, I think the polarity of the magnetic field of the earth must be reversing. That's the first thing I can remember Moody having said that I whole heartedly agree with.
Imagine that! :D |
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Location: SoCal | See, Rick? You're learning...... |
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. Or is that a million monkeys and a million typewriters and Shakespeare or something? |
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. . . I think I might like t'see this . . . |
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Location: closely held secret | How ironic that 2 of the most recognizable singing voices from such an influential band should marry women who can't sing, and then proceed to make albums with them...
I also agree with Paul and Dave. Apparently JL got what he needed out of the relationship, so who cares?
I don't think I ever made it all the way through side 2 of "Live Peace in Toronto"...
...but when I saw the title, "Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking for Her Hand in the Snow)", and saw the lyrics I knew Lennon must have had something to do with it. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | I don't think Eric Clapton made it through Side 2 of Live Peace in Toronto... |
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Location: NJ | . . . by side 2, he would've been "Hoover"-ing it up backstage . . .
Was "LivePeace" the one with Zappa and the song "Scumbag" (is it okay t'ype THAT one, Al??) or am I mistaking it for the other disc that came with "Sometime in NewYork"?? |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "This woman is a creap and for the life of me I do not understand how John, with as musically creative as he was, could have invloved this strange creature so much in "His" music"
...and "not for nuttin" but don't cha think a Beatle could have hooked up with a decent looking woman? Maybe it's just me. |
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Location: NJ | sometime in NY with the plastic ono mothers
Frank says "the name of this song is scumbag, and for those in the band that don't know what we are doing it is in the key of A and does not follow the classic blues changes"
Or something like that |
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Location: NJ | I think he said ". . this is that "A-minor" . . ", but y'got the rest of it right . . WellDone! |
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Location: Converse, Texas | I think Frank said it is in A-minor...
And the scumbag -- must have been about... nevermind. |
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Location: south east Michigan | There was a documentary about Lennon on HBO recently.
At one point the narrator says, "About this time, Yoko first introduced John to heroin."..... :mad: :mad:
And I know it's damning with faint praise, but Linda could sing circles around Yoko. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | A good read for anyone that is interested in the relationship between John and Yoko, try the complete Playboy Interviews. The book is very interesting and insightful and contains the ENTIRE interview vs the little snippit that Playboy actually published. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Slipkid:
"About this time, Yoko first introduced John to heroin."..... :mad: :mad:
As we all know, heroin is an opiate, very closely related to the pain killer morphine, this would explain how he could stand to listen to her voice.... |
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Location: NJ | check out some of those youtube clips Zappa RIPS on guitar.
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That scumbag video was great...especially when Howard put the bag on Yoko's head. It's just a shame he didn't also take the mic away. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I'm with the 'it brought John peace and happiness' crowd here...but do happen to enjoy Yokos background singing in Happy Christmas, War Is Over. SO sue me. Sometimes art just pisses you off, and that's what it's supposed to do.
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| I don't believe Yoko introduced Lennon to H.
Clapton wouldn't have been Hoovering it up, he would have been jacking it up.
She was/is a talentless, money-grabbing, thick-as-shit failed artist, but you can't exactly lay all the faults of the world at her doorstep. If'n you take drugs you got NOBODY but yourself to blame. I know whereof I speak.
Cold Turkey is one of the best things Lennon ever wrote - and the guitar part that Clapton dreamt up is as close to genius as anything he ever did. It's like having razors dragged across your eyeballs. |
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