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Location: Phoenix AZ | OK, here we go again. With the permission of Al and Miles, I've got the go ahead to start another OFC CD project.
MEMBERS NIGHT OUT, VOL.2
The Official Un-official Ovation Fan Club CD
Basically the same procedure as last time. Here's all the details on the following link. I hope to see many of you participate. I think the concensus last time was that it was a lot of fun.
OFC CD VOL.2
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I'm in this year! I have a tune that I recorded last year that I want to re-mix. |
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Okay I am gonna give this a go too :-) Will get some stuff to you as soon as I can Dave. Anyone want to collaborate with a little mandolin for me? |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Let me see what I can work up, Dave.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Pssssst! Dave!
Don't let andrewmay ingsay! |
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Location: south east Michigan | Ahem...Ahem..la la la la....When you walk....through the night... keep your heeeead up high....and doooon't be afraid of the....daaaaark...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Brad, submitting a tune or two for the project will definately increase your probability of being on the finished product.
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Location: Upper Left USA | I'm sorry Andrew. You can sing, just don't dance!
Was that Hair Supply? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I have GOT to find a means of recording...
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | ...but I sent you away...
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | No covers? :(
How about songs by not so recently dead people like the Johnny Ramone or Johnny Cash? I know the answer is no. But isn't it the publisher you have to pay, not ascap? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Absolutely you can do covers. But YOU will have to pay the license fees. The fees are handled through the Harry Fox Agency. They have a database where you can see if the song you want to do is copywrite protected or not. Dave |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | What the approximate fee for a project of less than 50 cd's? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It's about 9 cents per song, per CD. I would plan on closed to 100 CD's (last time we shipped soomething like 125). So roughly $10-$12. bucks if you want to do a copywritten cover.
You can check if a song is public domain at www.pdinfo.com
www.harryfox.com has a database of songs and copywrite owners.
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by Tupperware:
It's about 9 cents per song, per CD. I would plan on closed to 100 CD's (last time we shipped soomething like 125). So roughly $10-$12. bucks if you want to do a copywritten cover.
You can check if a song is public domain at www.pdinfo.com
www.harryfox.com has a database of songs and copywrite owners.
Dave
Pretty steep. :(
Here's the quote:
"12. Do I need a license for less than 500 CDs or 150 DPDs?
Yes, you still need to obtain a mechanical license if you wish to make fewer than 500 units of a physical product such as a CD, or fewer than 150 DPDs. HFA does not issue Songfile licenses for less than these amounts. You can obtain a license from HFA for the minimum number, which gives you permission to make up to that amount, or you can seek to obtain your licenses directly from the relevent publishers." |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Correct. I misinterpreted the fine print. Btw the $8-$10 processing fee i spread accross all the somgs that you request license for at the same time. Dave |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | OK, dpd's are "permanent downloads" (sounds like taking a dump in the crapper) and cd's are of course cd's. Less than 500 copies, that's me (us), I'll try to contact the publishers about the songs I know. If it's easy I'll contribute, if not, well, no matter what I'll buy a copy of the christmas cd. Who knows it may be easy ... |
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Location: USA | First one was great...I think i will sit this one out...to give some of the other members a great opportunity.
unless your short for material... |
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Location: Long Island, NY | Is there a due date for this? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't wait on anyone Styll. You have some great stuff on the first one. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I just realized ... it costs just as much to license Freebird as I wanna be sedated. |
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Location: NJ | . . . as so it should . . . |
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Location: N.J. | This one needs an "Ode to StandingO" tune on it. ;) |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I'm on it!!!
"...the day that guy called Tupperware threw something off the Tallahatchie bridge..." |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | You, know, if you make a parody commenting on another song, as I understand it, you don't need to pay licensing fees. For instance, a whole lot of love was a rip off of a muddy waters number (oh in turn muddy ripped it off from someone else, but we don't need to get into that) and they owed a whole lot ... but a song like Wally Pleasant's song small time drug dealer is not a rip-off of Fun Fun Fun
Fun Fun Drug Dealer
More mp3 (This guy\'s original tunes always make me smile)
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Let's just make a "Weird Al Tribute CD". Not Al Yankad*ck, I'm talking about THE AL. Here's just a sample:
"Ballad Of The Black Baret" Sgt. Barry Stadler
"Hanging On The Telephone" Blondie
"Comfortably Dumb" Pink Floyd
"A Whiter Shade Of Mauve" Procol Harum
"If I Had A Hamer" Peter, Paul & Mary
"I Can See [for] Miles" The Who
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Location: NJ | Must you?? . . |
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Location: NJ | thanks
I needed to smile today.
how about
"Go ask Alex" jeffereson airplane
"I built this porch" jefferson starship
"I can't find my way home" blind faith
"Call any vegetable" Frank Zappa
" Hello, I love you, (can you give me your security code)" the doors |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Great post, Al.
Bet you're gonna make me clean the wine off the monitor off too. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I'm there man, a mix of christmas songs and twisted tributes to the Al. How cool! |
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Location: NJ | "call me al" paul simon
"parsley sage rosemary and Al" simon and garfunkel
"you can't always get what you want" rolling stones
"somebody to bash (love)" jefferson airplane
"tangled up in NJ" bob dylan
"Someday, you'll get your guitar" supremes
"Frankenstein (your custom order is ready)" Edgar winter group
"Lies (they're gonna get you)" thomson twins
"wreck of the F250" gordon lightfoot
"sister morphine" rolling stones
"that's Al-more" Dean Martin
"Sweet home Al-willbamyou" lynyd skynrd
"Don't worry Al (witco's only making another joke at your expense) John and Yoko |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
I've unleashed a monster ... "Al-zilla" blue oyster cult
"Don't fear Al" boc
"Suite Al blue eyes" CSNY |
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Location: ranson,wva | sounds like its gonna be a great cd!!! i wanna get my order in early..jason |
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"Al The Way To Memphis" |
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Location: N.J. | Hey, wheres the Holiday spirit?
"Al be home for Christmas"...
"Jingle Al"....
"Al the red nosed riendeer"...
"Silent Al"...
"Al the snowman"..
"Al is coming to town"...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | OK, CAN WE BRING THIS BACK ON TOPIC ???
I know I started this, but let's get back to the issue at hand - the 2nd OFC CD. I've had mails from quite a few people (OK, it was only 5) asking (err, complaining) about not being able to submit copywritten cover tunes. SO HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. PAY ATTENTION Y'ALL ...
I would PREFER that you submit originals or public domain stuff, but you are more than welcome to submit cover tunes. I'LL handle the license stuff and I'LL pay the fees. We'll spread it all out over the price of the CD's. So, expect the CD's to cost a few bucks more than last year.
BUT ... if y'all submit TOO MANY cover tunes, the price of the CD is going to be too expensive to be viable. So I'm going to hafta walk a fine line to keep this thing reasonably priced. For this reason I would like to give preference to originals or pubdom stuff, but I also want the quality to be good. So we'll see.
OK ??? So, start recording and get me something to work with. LASTLY - the cut off for submissions is NOV. 1ST if we want to get this thing done and distributed in time for xmas season. I'll keep you posted on how it's going.
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
OK, CAN WE BRING THIS BACK ON TOPIC ???
OH MY!!!
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Location: N.J. | Naahhh... Original all tha way!!! Write yer own damn songs instead of mooching of someone else's!! :D |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I have a question for Dave or anyone else who might be able to help. I've been working on re-mixing one of my songs to contribute to the CD. As per the instructions on the web page, I converted the song to the "wav" format, but it seems that the sound quality suffers quite a bit after the conversion. The MP3 version sounds much better. Is this normal? |
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Location: closely held secret | John, just curious... what format are you working with to mix it? |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | I have a Tascam digital 8 track recorder / mixer which saves to an internal hard drive. I'm not sure what format that is. I use an external CD burner to make the discs which end up in "CD Audio" format. I was just saving the files from the cd on to my computer. My recorder can be connected to the computer with a USB cable. I just haven't had the time to mess with it. Maybe I'll give that a try. |
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Location: closely held secret | "CD Audio" is wav format. If you save them as mp3 to your computer than that explains why they don't sound as good when you convert them to wav. They've been compressed to mp3 then reconverted, losing audio quality every step.
Try ripping them from the CD straight to wav on your computer - or just send the CD you burn to Dave.
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Location: USA | If were going for a cover tunes theme cd...Im thinking of submitting my Cash cover of Ring of Fire.
My version actually gained positive feedback from The man in Blacks manager Lou Robin. That was something to get tha email... :) |
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Location: Tennessee | Im thinking of submitting my Cash cover of Ring of Fire Guess I shouldn't do my cover of Mike Ness' cover ... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
I've had mails from quite a few people (OK, it was only 5) asking (err, complaining) about not being able to submit copywritten cover tunes. SO HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. PAY ATTENTION Y'ALL ...
I would PREFER that you submit originals or public domain stuff, but you are more than welcome to submit cover tunes. I'LL handle the license stuff and I'LL pay the fees. We'll spread it all out over the price of the CD's. So, expect the CD's to cost a few bucks more than last year.
BUT ... if y'all submit TOO MANY cover tunes, the price of the CD is going to be too expensive to be viable. So I'm going to hafta walk a fine line to keep this thing reasonably priced. For this reason I would like to give preference to originals or pubdom stuff, but I also want the quality to be good. So we'll see.
OK ??? So, start recording and get me something to work with. LASTLY - the cut off for submissions is NOV. 1ST if we want to get this thing done and distributed in time for xmas season. I'll keep you posted on how it's going.
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Location: USA | noone... haha... it just seemed like that was the theme...
But id certainly prefer nothing but originals |
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Location: closely held secret | LOL - I just prefer doing originals because there's no previous version to compare it to... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cliff,
The story line of trying to please all of the people some of the time goes like this ... I (as executive producer and content gatekeeper) would personally love to do a "holiday" CD ... Some members complained that is too restrictive and would like to submit non-holiday originals. Fine ... Others claim that they are not composers but would like to submit cover tunes, but they don't want to hastle with the paperwork and fees. Fine, I'll do it.
So bottom line, submit whatever the hell you want to. But when I put this thing together I'll definately try to give preference to originals and holiday stuff just to keep costs and hastle (for me) to a minimum.
So far I have exactly FOUR submissions (plus probably 2 from myself which still need to be recorded). CUT OFF IS NOV. 1st, so please get going or this project will never fly.
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Location: USA | i think in order not to make it a hassle for Dave...Keep it pure...all original.
Id gladly cover my cost if I submitted the cover...but i think Dave...you're making too much work for yourself.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | I've sent a couple emails to the publishing companies of the artists I want to cover, but so far, no replies. The two cover's I want to perform are not listed on the harryfox website or ASCAP database. I'm more than willing to cover the cost instead of Dave, but it's hard to write the check out if nobody answers.
Sorry, but I don't have an orginal cell in me.
Heck, It's everything I can do just to sing and strum at the same time
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sorry. All the original copies of the '05 CD were sold. Best bet is to get an OFC member to burn you a copy of his. Dave |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Hey, Dave. How is the CD coming along? How many contributions do you have now??? |
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Location: south east Michigan | We got till the 1st, right???
BrianT & I recorded a few songs last Monday.
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Location: Chicago | A few weeks ago Jeff Burns and I sat down in my basement and played some tunes straight through (4 covers, 4 originals). Twin voices of a '74 Legend 1117 and an Elite X-768! I dropped the CD in the mail today... |
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