12 Fret 12 String Slothead Cutaway
stephent28
Posted 2006-09-21 3:06 PM (#239214)
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JUST GOT THE CALL!!!!!!! IT IS FINISHED!!!!!!

After what seems like forever (actually close to a year), I am heading out the door now to FINALLY pickup my custom made 12 string from local luthier Scott Baxendale.

I posted up some early construction photos several months ago and will try to post up some finished photos by the weekend!

I am so EXCITED I think I will sh#%^ my britches on the way to his shop!

More to follow............
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Waskel
Posted 2006-09-21 3:16 PM (#239215 - in reply to #239214)
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TMI
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-21 3:17 PM (#239216 - in reply to #239214)
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Hope it's a KILLLAH!

oh, yeah...what the wabbit said.
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worshipleader
Posted 2006-09-21 3:57 PM (#239217 - in reply to #239214)
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Ditto with Jeff & the Wabbit :D
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bauerhillboy
Posted 2006-09-21 4:20 PM (#239218 - in reply to #239214)
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I don't suppose it's anything like my 12 string, 12 fret slothead 1115 that I got on ebay for $300?
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-09-21 5:42 PM (#239219 - in reply to #239214)
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You kind of ruined what might have been some nice visuals, there Stephen. When you post pictures, make sure they are of the guitar, not your britches.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-21 6:26 PM (#239220 - in reply to #239214)
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TMI my ass.


and speaking of asses....


Visuals of my britches will be arriving shortly in your mailboxes! :rolleyes:
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MWoody
Posted 2006-09-21 6:42 PM (#239221 - in reply to #239214)
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Will they be going by Brown?
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-09-21 6:46 PM (#239222 - in reply to #239214)
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If you were heading out the door 3 hours ago, why haven't you posted pics and a report on the guitar by now?
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-22 10:36 PM (#239223 - in reply to #239214)
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-22 10:39 PM (#239224 - in reply to #239214)
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-22 10:42 PM (#239225 - in reply to #239214)
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-22 10:45 PM (#239226 - in reply to #239214)
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Unfortunately, like Jeff W, my camera work is lacking and the pictures do not do justice to how incredibly elegant yet simple looking this guitar is. It is an absolute beauty to look at in person.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-22 10:47 PM (#239227 - in reply to #239214)
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The flash of the camera really makes the binding look red but it actually blends in very well with the indian rosewood sides. I suppose it is the spruce under the binding that causes the top to flash redder than the bottom binding which is backed by the rosewood.
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fugot
Posted 2006-09-22 11:47 PM (#239228 - in reply to #239214)
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I think your builder messed up, there are two sets of strings there boy.....No really,I missed the fact that this was a 12 string 12 fret c/a. I know which guitar i am hoping you bring when we meet up. :D :D
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MWoody
Posted 2006-09-23 12:08 AM (#239229 - in reply to #239214)
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Very nice!
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noah
Posted 2006-09-23 12:20 AM (#239230 - in reply to #239214)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
...my camera work is lacking and the pictures do not do justice to how incredibly elegant yet simple looking this guitar is
We can see beyond the camera work... it really is nice.

Take it outside and shoot without the flash.

BTW: I forgot, why did you install the "69" soundhole?
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Waskel
Posted 2006-09-23 12:21 AM (#239231 - in reply to #239214)
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Beautiful, Stephen!
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-23 12:25 AM (#239232 - in reply to #239214)
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Bruce, the soundholes allow you to "hear" the guitar as it projects upward and well as outward so that you can actually get a truer representation of what your audience hears.

I am attempting to record some sound clips but I just changed out some equipment and of course I somehow f*^$ked something up.

I will give a full review this weekend and compare it to the Adamas 1688 (Big Blue) but I can tell you that it sounds amazing!
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noah
Posted 2006-09-23 12:31 AM (#239233 - in reply to #239214)
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Stephen, I understand its function. I'm looking more for the scientific research backing the shape of the soundhole :D
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-09-23 8:34 AM (#239234 - in reply to #239214)
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EXTREMELY NICE! Are those Waverly tuners? Dave
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Weaser P
Posted 2006-09-23 9:15 AM (#239235 - in reply to #239214)
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That's gorgeous, Stephen. Can't imagine the sound that come out of that. Enjoy.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-23 9:57 AM (#239236 - in reply to #239214)
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I think it must blow goats since he's not telling us what it sounds like...

like one of those beautiful Thai escorts... that turn out to be a dude. Or so I've heard.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-24 4:51 PM (#239237 - in reply to #239214)
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Originally posted by Tupperware:
EXTREMELY NICE! Are those Waverly tuners? Dave
Of course ;)
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richardd
Posted 2006-09-24 8:01 PM (#239238 - in reply to #239214)
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Very nice Stephen !

I look forward to the shootout with your 1688.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-24 8:48 PM (#239239 - in reply to #239214)
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OK.....after the shootout with the Baxendale and the 1688 in my studio, here is my opinion (for what it's worth)!

The first thing you notice is the weight difference. Like most Adamii, the 1688 is heavy compared to the Bax....probably 3x the weight. Everytime I pick the Bax up, I have to look and see if the neck came off in my hands because it is so light.

Necks....pretty much a tie....and this is because I took the 1688 in and had Scott take the dimensions of the 1688 neck and duplicate it because the 1688 has the best 12 string neck I have ever played. Scott did a fantastic job of duplicating the feel. The biggest difference is in the cutaway aspect. Since he built the cutaway by twisting the wood and not having a heal (like a Martin cutaway), sliding up the neck past the 12 fret is a dream.

Intonation on the Baxendale is slightly better than the 1688 due to the fact that the Bax has a fully compensated saddle. Now the intonation on the 1688 is pretty close to spot on but the Bax just edges it out a bit above the 14th fret.

Sound....this is where it gets tough because I have always felt the 1688 was the best sounding acoustic I had ever played. Well, the Bax beats it....but not by much. Put the Bax at a 10 and the 1688 at a 9.5. The difference lies in the balance.

I recorded both guitars on multiple takes using a Blue Baby Bottle, a Neumann TLM103, a AKG C414 XLII, a Studio Projects C1, a Rode NT5 stereo pair, and finally a good old Shure SM57.

The recordings duplicated and confirmed what I thought I was hearing with my ears. The Bax just had a better overall balance tonally....The lows, mids, and highs were just pefectly equalized. No frequency outshone or dominated any other. Each individual note or chord (and mistakes) was so crystal clear that if I closed my eyes I thought that someone was sitting across the room from me and playing.

The 1688 was almost as good but it gravitated towards a bassier sound and the overtones tended to cause certain regions to sound slightly mushy. If you listened to the 1688 recordings first, it sounded totally incredible. It was only when you would flip over to the Bax and back that you could here the congestion in the lower and mid registers of the 1688.

Is the Bax worth 1.5 times the cost of a 1688. If you can afford it, absolutely..... but I still feel that the 1688 is a fantastic playing and sounding instrument. I honestly believe it is one of the finest 12 strings that you can play or own.

If I was playing out at a venue, I would absolutely use the 1688 (can't beat the Adamas durabilty) but for recording purposes the Baxendale wins the sound battle hands down.

I am extremely happy and very very lucky to own both.

What am I gonna do when my 2080D baritone 12 string shows up....man what a problem to have! :D
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Bluebird
Posted 2006-09-24 9:50 PM (#239240 - in reply to #239214)
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Stephen;

She's a beaut, for sure!

Can you possible post a couple of the a/b clips so we can hear the differences?

Wayne
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-24 11:37 PM (#239241 - in reply to #239214)
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Nice.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-25 1:31 AM (#239242 - in reply to #239214)
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Wayne, I am afraid that mixing down to mp3 will lose the majority of the crisp differences between the two...plus with my injured nerve in my left hand (numbness an loss of strength) I think my playing, especially on a 12 string, sounds like shit.

However, since you asked (and are obviously a glutten for ear punishment) I will post a couple up.
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-09-25 1:43 AM (#239243 - in reply to #239214)
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beautiful geetar stephen..jason
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philmax
Posted 2006-09-25 1:45 AM (#239244 - in reply to #239214)
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nice playing! phil
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-25 9:04 AM (#239245 - in reply to #239214)
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Where both samples the Baxendale? Or was one the 1688?
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-25 9:37 AM (#239246 - in reply to #239214)
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did the mixdown to mp3 make them sound that close?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-09-25 9:39 AM (#239247 - in reply to #239214)
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Sample 2 clearly sounded better...

(I missed your post before the "Samples" explaining them...)
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stephent28
Posted 2006-09-25 10:17 AM (#239248 - in reply to #239214)
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That makes me feel a little better about posting them. If you look at the titles, A12 is the Adamas and B12 is the Bax.
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