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Location: PDX | Does the 1987 Collectors have a floating fretboard like the 1537's?
Take a look at this and tell me what you think.
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Location: SoCal | Must be a horrible defect...looks like the fretboard is going to curl up. However, a good wood screw will hold it down. :p :D :p |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Partially floating, not as much as the 1537. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hmmmm, if I can find a screw I may have to bid on this one. Bo's autograph makes it worth a fortune! |
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Location: PDX | My guess is the neck needs to be reset. That's an awfully big gap.
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I have the 87 and I thought it was glued down. cwk2 should know. Is this partially floating unique to the 87? And how much is floating?
Makes me want to pull mine up and see. maybe not.
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Location: Nîmes, south of France | Amazing.
However, the seller describes this as a flaw.
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Location: SoCal | the one I have (borrowed) looks sealed to me...bet this one sings. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Tony, maybe if we pry ours up it will actually improve the sound? You first.
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Location: SoCal | Naw, I figure Bruce might have an issue with that :p :D :p
By the way, this 1987 Collectors - this is the way bearclaw should look. Not the greatest picture but notice how great the top looks, a dark honey.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I think the sunburst I got from Sam has the neck sealed. I will have to mosey upstairs and look at it. |
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Location: SoCal | The guitar in the auction is a couple of miles from me. Anybody want me to go take a look at it?
I believe that the necks on all 87 C's had satin finished necks. It's just the light on this one that makes it look glossed.... |
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Location: PDX | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
The guitar in the auction is a couple of miles from me. Anybody want me to go take a look at it?
Well, it looks like a couple of OFC'ers are bidding on it. I would imagine an eye witness report would be appreciated. Providing you don't have to go too far out of your way for a report.
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | 87C I have has a gloss neck. Steve |
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Location: SoCal | Steve, I'm surprised your's has a gloss neck. Are you talking a complete gloss, like wet glass, or more of a satin finish? The late 80's is when Ovation started making the transition from complete gloss to almost unfinished necks (in my opinion). I've owned several O's from that period and none have had a gloss neck.
I've emailed the owner of the 87C and asked if I could go look at it. I'll keep everybody posted. It's no more than 3 miles from me, max..... |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | Stand corrected. Satin, just been glossed up my use. Also I was comparing it to my 97 collectors which has really no gloss at all.
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Is this a shallow bowl or is it a regular? I emailed him and have had no reply.
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Location: PDX | Originally posted by Bluebird:
Is this a shallow bowl or is it a regular? I emailed him and have had no reply.
Wayne Deep bowl, i believe.
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Location: SoCal | It's deep |
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Location: Snellville, GA | Look at where the neck and heel join the bout above the Bo Diddly sig. That's a satin finish. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Paul;
How can you tell this one is deep? The seller finally answered and said it is shallow.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Ovation website says the '87 is a deep bowl.
click here to see for yourself.
Maybe it's not really an '87 collectors? |
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Location: PDX | Originally posted by muzza:
Maybe it's not really an '87 collectors? It's a 87C. Take another look at the pictures.
Also it is a deep bowl, regardless what the owner says it is. I suppose it is possible it has a shallow bowl, but it would probably be the only 87C that does.
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | It's not a shallow bowl - at the least it's a mid-depth. Hard to tell from the pics, but I know my SSB's and it's not one.
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Location: Thailand | I think the fretboard is going to curl up. Defect! Pretty sure. Please take a look, two guitars.  
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Location: SoCal | Maybe time for an Orange County OFC'er to check it out... |
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Location: SoCal | I thought Bruce was going over yesterday.... I can't do it. I gotta go out of town for a few days and track some people down..... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I gotta go and track some people down..... Hmmmmmm....I have a former OFC member that might need tracking down. :( |
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Location: SoCal | We are meeting today @ 4:00pm. |
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Location: SoCal | Any review yet of this guitar? |
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Location: SoCal | Yes... Bo Diddley's signature is really kool.
You could have been there Moody, but you were at Guitar Center. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I don't have any space under the fretboard on mine. Maybe there's a shim under there. |
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Location: SoCal | There is one blurry auction picture suggesting a floating fretboard. I stand corrected. It is floating, but not in the sense that we want. |
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Location: SoCal | I pointed out to the seller a handfull of issues that I felt were important to note in the auction. I offered to take pictures of the issues and post them on the Board for the seller. |
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Location: SoCal | Earlier, I talked to Bruce...we need to be more specific here.
There appears to be major and expensive problems with this guitar. Listening to what Bruce found, I believe that the auction needs to be cancelled and then restarted. High bidder should rescind his bid (Bruce).
This isn't a "floating fretboard" - Mr.Ovation (Povation) wins the prize.
Anyone bidding on the guitar should project $250-$400 repair bill from the factory. This means that high bid should probably not be greater than about $350.
At 10:41pm, the auction had not been cancelled. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | WOW - thanks for the work on this Tony & Bruce. That could have been a BIG disappointment, not to mention costly. |
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Location: SoCal | From what Bruce told me, the seller wasn't trying to misrepresent. "Eagle Eye" was on the case...even offering assistance. Bottom line, they should cancel auction and send it to factory, then relist or relist as a project, full disclosure, then the buyer sends to factory.
Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $350, have it sent directly to the factory by the seller. |
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Location: Thailand | Thank you very much, Tony Calman. Just my opinion.
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Location: SoCal | Povation, you are more than welcome...and may #24 always bring joy to you and your lovely family. |
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Location: SoCal | Tony, major and expensive problems are relative to purchase price.
With less then two days left on the auction, I didn't think there would be time to effectively picture and describe the issues. Further disclosure in the current auction would have to allow for and probably precipitate bid retractions. My suggestion to the seller was to cancel and relist, or preferably, list it here on the Board.
The seller said he just wanted to do the right thing. I saw nothing that the Mothership could not resolve. I told the seller that I would pack and ship it to the Mothership if one of the members bought it. That is what I wanted to talk to Andrew about, but he gave up on it so easily.
The icing on the cake is that it is now past midnight and the auction is still sitting there active without any additional disclosure and I'm the high bidder. |
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Location: SoCal | that's the point...they have not pulled the auction after eight hours.
there are major problems requiring the factory assistance.
any bidders be warned.
compliments to Bruce (previously name Eagle Eyes) for checking it out.
again, this should be cancelled...with the seller either effecting repair or a relist with BIN at $350.
my suggestion is that you withdraw your bid due to incompetence (on the seller's part).
as to the sellers, at least they didn't use a wood screw... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Well I certainly wouldn't expect him to pull the listing. There are several people bidding and you'd be surprised (or maybe not) what fans will pay for the signature alone just to have a wall hanger. |
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Location: SoCal | The description is fraudulent or incompetent (your choice)- you choose...within the OFC, who gives a rat's ass about the signature. Any one else, buyer beware. Number of OFC'ers who have bid.
This has a serious problem with the neck that Eagle Eyes saw today...they now know the problem. An OFC'er who received this would know they had been screwed.
Buy it for a signature or wall art...as an instrument, it needs the facory and $'s. |
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Location: SoCal | As I said, Bo Diddley's signature is really kool. The story that goes along with it adds to the package. The 2 inch square area over the signature appears to have been clear coated sometime after to inhibit wear. The seller is selling for his coworker who did not make our meeting. Let's give them a chance. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Tony, don't misunderstand. I do not see this as other eBay type threads we've had. Someone from our little group went and inspected the guitar and informed the rest of the group. That's fine. If someone bid and they choose to retract, that's fine. But expecting someone to pull their ad, I wouldn't expect them to pull their ad.
Actually based on what has been posted by 'ol Eagle Eyes, I think the ad is acurate. It's not in great condition, or excellent condition. It's in good condition, with a signature and he has a 7-Day return policy.
I'm just say'n with the number of bids, I wouldn't expect him to cancel, that's all. |
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Location: SoCal | Tony, Are we turning into grumpy old men?
Miles, The seller did tell me that he was going to amend or pull the auction when he got home.
There are numerous neck binding cracks; possibly a half inch tight crack in the neck on the treble side starting at the nut (we both thought it was a crack, but I would hold judgement until it could be looked at under magnification); his blurred picture of the fingerboard does not depict its current upward curve with the substance underneath it pulling apart like old caulk on your bathtub (I have no idea what the substance is, it is whitish/opaque); the heel does not appear tight to the bowl; the cowboy frets are grooved, the frets show wear, the top is bellied a little behind the bridge with a corresponding dive in front effecting the break angle over the saddle; we were sitting on a bench outside a resturant so we have yet to see if the electronics work (the preamp was not the cleanest looking area and the screws looked rusted); the strings were old and corroded; a previous rusted string left marks on the fretboard where the case pad presses down; the case has a large area of bubble and damage;...
Even with all this stuff, it is still playable. No finish cracks. The top looks nice. The ebony board just needs a good cleaning. I told the seller that only an Ovation would have survived. It is obvious that the guitar has not been stored correctly at some times during its life, but a proper reset would resolve the major issues. The cracks in the neck binding we've all seen before... the binding and inlays appeared stable. I was able to run my fingers around the edge of the top and a up the neck and not find any significant bumps or bruises.
IMHO, The current description and pictures in the auction are lacking in disclosure of the guitar's current condition. I told the seller that I would not be happy with all these surprises. Offering a return policy is not an ethical way to skirt around proper disclosure of an items condition.
Bo Diddley's signature is really kool, but if I was going to factor it in on a purchase, I would be looking for authentication. |
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Location: SoCal | As OFC'ers were involved in the auction, an individual (who is an OFC'er) is quoted in the auction as saying this is a floating fretboard and not a defect, there was considerably more in Bruce's report than posted last night, the seller agreed to cancel or modify his listing, etc., etc.
As of today...and after Bruce explained what was wrong, the auction continues..."beautiful looking and sounding", "good used condition", "gap under the fretboard is not a defect"
Frankly, I don't care what they do with the auction except for the fact that there are OFC'ers who have bid or were considering bidding.
As the information has been made available...not much more to say. If you bid, expect to be disappointed and pay way more than necessary after it is repaired. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Tony, I agree with you. All I said in essence was, don't hold your breath for the guy to cancel the auction. It's unfortunate that people bid, that unless they pull those bids will be bound. But that's not the sellers problem. He also has a 7-Day return policy. He's better off letting the auction run it's course... maybe he'll be nice enough to just re-list it with a better description, or adjust the price for the highest bidder etc... All speculation. You don't know if someone who really wants that guitar is going to snipe it in the last few seconds and they don't care what condition it is in. Again, I agree with everything that has been done. I just wouldn't expect the seller to cancel the auction. |
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Location: SoCal | Miles, we both agree...this is different however as there was an eye-ball inspection and the seller agreed to canx the auction. Well, it is now a mute point as 1st Stephen retracted his bid, then the auction was pulled.
Hopefully, the seller will relist and get a fair price for the condition. With the magic that the factory can do, as long as the buyer figures in the repair price, then a fair transaction for both parties. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hmmmm, not sure if retracting my bid had anything to do with the seller ultimately pulling the auction, but regardless...they took the correct action. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm glad I didn't ask you guys to inspect my 87C before I bought it, or I may have backed out. It has a few issues besides the finish crack that was disclosed, but in some respects I prefer my blissful ignorance.
This one, however, became misleading once they seller was informed by our expert, Bruce. At that point an informed OFCer might still have been happy with it, but if someone else sniped it without knowing of all the problems, he or she would be deservedly pissed. |
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Location: SoCal | Mark, I am far from an expert. The issues on this guitar were obvious. Almost everything jumped out on the initial cosmetic inspection. I can just imagine what the other guys posting on this thread would have said. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Expertise is relative, Bruce. I just deposed a mergers and acquisitions expert today. It pisses me off when I know nothing about the topic, but know more than the "expert" does by the end of the deposition. Our definition used to be a guy from out of town with a briefcase. I guess you didn't qualify under that definition, but you still qualify as a guitar expert in my book. I've missed some pretty blatant stuff before, but I tend to let desire blind me. |
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Location: SoCal | And my compliments to the seller (with Noah's help)...again, this should go direct to the factory and the cost of repair probably won't be known until they physically see it. |
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Location: SoCal | Tony, I feel another '87 Collector's project coming on. |
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Location: SoCal | well, at least we know what is needed... |
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