Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea
Slipkid
Posted 2006-10-20 12:32 PM (#235656)
Subject: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea



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Okay.... bear with me here.
Humidity and changes there of can be an issue for guitars...right?? I know my Custom Legend sounds a bit muddy on humid days and BrianT's D-28 can sound down right rubbery.
What if the inside surface of the top was sealed like the side that shows? I doesn't have to look great... just something to make it harder for moisture to get in and effect the characteristics of the wood. That unfinished surface must act like a sponge. You would think it would make for a more stable guitar.
With the wood box design it could be probematical but that's their issue.
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This has to have been concidered before.
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-10-20 12:47 PM (#235657 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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Many high end classical guitars are finished (laqueer, clearcoat, whatever) on the inside. In principle I can see how this might be a good idea. Dave
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cliff
Posted 2006-10-20 1:23 PM (#235658 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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I don't believe that the inside of the top could/should be finished, as it needs to "breathe" . . .
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Beal
Posted 2006-10-20 1:41 PM (#235659 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea



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yes, that's true. sometimes a real light coat can help slow the breathing which provides more stability.
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Tupperware
Posted 2006-10-20 1:50 PM (#235660 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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I think Jeff's (or Fred?) Tak classical is finished on the innerds. DW
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muzza
Posted 2006-10-20 6:37 PM (#235661 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea



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Wouldn't coating the inside effect the 'aging' process of the wood?
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Beal
Posted 2006-10-20 9:15 PM (#235662 - in reply to #235656)
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Don't coat it that heavily, just very lightly so it can still breath, but slowly. Then it shouldn't effect it. It may slow the aging a bit but after 30 years, who will care?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2006-10-20 9:42 PM (#235663 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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The reason why the inside surfaces of guitars are not finished is because they don't need to be, there's no huge benefit unless the wood is green. It's exposed end grain that causes problems with hygroscopy, which is why tops, backs and sides have binding. Properly seasoned wood with exposed end grain, such as fingerboards should not be a problem if the relative humidity of the guitars storage is reasonably constant.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2006-10-21 12:14 AM (#235664 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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Hmm..my instruments are meticulously adjusted,therefore I do notice the difference in humidity,wich leads me to give a notch accordingly (1/4 turn or so)with the trussrod wrench ,humidity here varies between 50 - 80 % and I was considering coating it LIGHTLY with some waterbased spray varnish,well maybe TheFlume can shed some light(spray) on this topic
Mr Flume are U there ? :)
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theflume
Posted 2006-10-21 12:30 AM (#235665 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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My Ovation sit's on a stand in a corner...sometimes rides on my back down the highway on my motorcycle...In any weather, I don't care....I don't have to worry...she can take it!!....but, I never mess with the neck!!!...let it move a little!!....mess with the truss too much....and you will be replacing it sooner than later!!...trust me!
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2006-10-21 1:27 AM (#235666 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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Sounds like Good Advice (I`m talkin`Elite 1537 and 1618 Glenn C )sooh..would really like to keep èm for another 20 or more years,but adjustments are tiny and not so often,typically 2-3 times a year,and what about coating the back of the top?if it is a good idea,then why is it not being done?I appreciate your comments :)
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bauerhillboy
Posted 2006-10-21 3:57 AM (#235667 - in reply to #235656)
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I'd like to do a search of Temp's remarks through the years and make a little book out of them. Always helpful, Paul.
John <>{
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worshipleader
Posted 2006-10-21 8:48 AM (#235668 - in reply to #235656)
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Originally posted by bauerhillboy:
I'd like to do a search of Temp's remarks through the years and make a little book out of them. Always helpful, Paul.
John <>{
Ditto - thanks Paul!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-10-21 10:47 AM (#235669 - in reply to #235656)
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I was thinking the same thing, but then thought of a few where he seemed to be throwing a temper tantrum at the keys. I suppose any genius has to have eccentricities.
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cliff
Posted 2006-10-21 11:16 AM (#235670 - in reply to #235656)
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". . a few where he seemed to be throwing a temper tantrum at the keys . ."


Some of his best posts.
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Weaser P
Posted 2006-10-21 11:28 AM (#235671 - in reply to #235656)
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Some you could almost hear the bone dry bottle of merlot in the background.
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cliff
Posted 2006-10-21 11:53 AM (#235672 - in reply to #235656)
Subject: Re: Slipkid's Revolutionary Idea


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Chilean.

Maybe an . . . '02(??)


. . and it takes one bottle just to get the computer booted-up . . .
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2006-10-21 1:46 PM (#235673 - in reply to #235656)
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Careful, I have half a case of Chilean CabSav and I'm not afraid to use it.
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