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Location: SoCal | Thought you guys might enjoy this....
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Excellent - here's a version with a different guitar and a longer intro...
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Location: SoCal | Custom Legend. Also there was one of her playing a Legend. Pity she doesn't play Ovations any more... |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Here's Ann playing an Elite.
ANyone have the tab for the mando intro to this?
Battle of Evermore - Heart |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Nancy still plays Ovation, just not onstage. If you go to Heart's website, there is a picture there of her recording/music room, with the guitars she uses. In that picture is an Ovation (a Elite, I believe), but not her slothead.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hizzoner, as I recall, the mando tab for "Battle Of Evermore" is on the Mandolin Cafe website.
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Location: New Orleans | Nancy played a blue-greenish 12-String Ovation 2 years ago in the live concert "Alive In Seattle" which is now available on DVD. She usually plays "Dog & Butterfly" with a 12-String Custom Legend.
I've seen Ann play a white Ovation Viper in "The Road Home" video.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | My wife and I saw Heart the summers of 2004 and 2006 here near Detroit; Nancy uses her Takamine 6-string for "Dog and Butterfly" now. No Ovations in sight either show.
The blue-green SSB Balladeer 12-string as well as the Custom Legend 12-string belong to Ann......saw that on a website somewhere.....
I totally agree about Heart....my favorite band....
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Location: Western PA | Watching Nancy play an Ovation late '70's is one of the reasons I bought my first Ovation. The Wilson sisters rocked then and still rock. Anne's voice and Nancy's guitar, excellent. Talent and beauty can coexist. |
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Location: New Orleans | Nancy must've used the 12-String Balladeer just in the Alive In Seattle DVD. I saw them in Biloxi in 2004 too.
That was the Summer Of Love Tour and it was excellent and the energy was on fire but I saw no Balladeer then either.
For the DVD she used the Balladeer for the Elton John song "Mona Lisa's And Mad Hatter's." The Ovation sounded so stunningly beautiful on that song. I've watched it prolly a hundred times and that's the first song I go to and only then can I watch the rest of that DVD.
I hope that they continue to make their music for a long time. This band had a huge influence on me growing up and now it's been roughly 30 years that I've followed the band through all of the music and the changes that took place.
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| Just saw Heart this summer and there were no ovations. for her 12 string choice, Nancy used a takamine. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I was bored, so I went thru a bunch of Heart videos on U tube. Don't understand. Nancy just suddenly quit using O's. Seen her with a coupla strats, and other electrics. Then (I guess) a Tak or two on stage, doing acoustic with her sister. But there are 30 YEARS worth of videos, and she has O's for two decades of them. I'm confused. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Is it a phase people go through :confused:
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| She also had an epiphone electric this summer for which she does adds. Is it possible endorsements have made an ugly entrance into the Heart world? |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Nancy explained her turning away from Ovation in an interview in Acoustic Guitar magazine several years ago....she saw/heard Pete Townshend playing a Takamine, and had been hungering for a more natural acoustic sound. Tried Takamine and stayed with it. She says that Ovations have a more percussive sound, which is not what she is looking for onstage now.
You can read the story here:
http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag81/gear81.shtml
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | " . . . crave that more acoustic sound . . ."
What? Does she unplug and play her Tak through a megaphone?
Ovation unplugged= ACOUSTIC
Every other woodbox on the planet unplugged= ACOUSTIC
Someone care to define for me what the proper definition of "Acoustic Sound" is as it applies to guitars not plugged into an electrical amplification source? |
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| Yes, I have that article, but Jeff W makes a great point about acoustic amplified sound. What about the epiphone electric? Was she shooting for a new electric sound that could only be found with an epiphone?? I guess you can't get that epiphone sound from a Fender or a Gibson. Either way, I love her playing and her live performances are great, as can be seen on the youtube videos.
As many of us have stated, the problem may be with Ovation and the way they deal, or don't deal with artists. In my opinion, There should be a Nancy Wilson model. Ovation, if you are listening and still have her phone number please give her a call and get the ball rolling. Ovation, once you get that going rip that rainsong out of Ann's hand and get her an adamas. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | She feels that Ovation has its place (as she says in the article), it's just apparently not onstage anymore. She does keep one in her recording room.
The Epiphone deal.....she had used a Gibby Les Paul Junior for some onstage stuff....apparently because it weighed the least of any LP. The Epiphone is a new Les Paul Ultra model that has a lightweight chambered body, a Strat-like top chamfer for easier fit and play, plus a slim neck with a 1 5/8" nut for her smaller hands. She asked for something, they made it, and now they sell it!!!! She definitely used it last summer for ONE song, one of the Zep covers, when I and my wife saw them.
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Nancy just signed with Martin and she now has her own Nancy Wilson model..I think she is over the ovation thing.Ovation can call her till the cows come home.She has moved on and is doing what she feels is best for her sound and career.
I have seen this trend a lot the last couple of years.Wood boxes are "in" right now on stage.You just dont see many Ovations on stage any more..Are ovations out for now?It seems that way exept for us few die hard fans.I will always own and play a few Adamas/Ovation guitars but i gotta tell you my Goodall and Martins are amazing sounding guitars..
One other thought is since Ovation and Takamine are the same company.Why in the world does ovation not come out with a wood guitar line.They already have the factory that can crank out wood sides and back and they have the ability to finish them.Hell even rainsong stepped outside the box and made a wood sides and back model..Just some thoughts.. |
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Location: SoCal | Those are interesting observations Sam. But there are some people who don't tend to follow trends. I've played a ton of Martins and have found very very few (2, to be precise)that really ring my chimes. Never played a Taylor that I would spend good money on. I've have played Larivees, Lowdens, Collings, and a few others that I've really liked.
You're right that the trend, on stage, is to wood box guitars. But I've never been good at following trends. I go with what I like. I also drive a 23 year old Rx-7 instead of a Porsche or BMW.
When I was in Phoenix at Witko's house a month ago, I played everything he owned, including his Martins. The guitar I kept coming back to was his #47 of #47. It was the best, most dynamic sounding guitar he owned.
I guess a main reason Ovation doesn't built a wood box guitar is that they are pretty well at capacity in manufacturing as it is.
What I don't understand is where Ovation is selling their high end guitars. Guitar Center makes it horribly difficult to even test drive one. They are high up on the wall where they can't be taken down and played without help, and the salesmen do not ever suggest them to people. At least not any time that I've ever been a GC. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sam, You and I must be attached at the heart. I've been saying those exact same things for years. Ovation has some of the best engineers and luthiers in the business who could accomplish an amazing wood box guitar if they wanted to. The Ovation roundback will always have a special place in my heart, and some ovation and adamas guitars are truely amazing. A few models can compete with the better wooden box guitars, but for christ's sake at some point if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! |
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Location: south east Michigan | My local GC won't even carry a high end Ovation.
And the Koa Collector is still sitting at Huber-Breese because nobody on the sales staff there will make the effort to sell it!! |
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Location: Utah | Is it me, or is it getting hot in here? Holy Smokes! I never like "chick rock" on the radio, but this performance would have changed my mind if I had seen it back in the 70's. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Brad, my local guitar center does have several adamas models,Custom legends and other high end ovations but they just sit there month after month unsold.I know some of the employees there and they tell me its almost impossible to sell high end ovations.I think once you get to a certain price point,consumers buy the wood boxes.Exotic looking woods and binding appear more lagit to most consumers than a plastic bowl.It gives the feel of craftmanship and as i said earlier wood boxes are "in" right now.Also, the stiff competition from the very popular blueridge,epiphone master series(under $1000),great sounding yamaha's and seagulls,15 and 16 series martins for under $1000 are also hurting ovation sales..
The other point i wanted to make is that ovation is restricted in what they can do with a guitar.The bowl really confines ovation as to what they can do.You can change the type of top with different woods(spruce,cedar,koa,etc) but thats it no sides and back combinations that allow wood box mfg. to change things up,voice the guitars differently and introduce new and different models.Ovation's they are handicapped.You can change the top panel and maybe modify the neck slightly but the bowl is the bowl.It takes away creactivity!Sooner or later all that will be left is different soundhole shapes and rosettes.That does not do anything for me.Thats just cosmetic.
Ovation needs to think outside the bowl(box) and consider wood guitars.This will allow them to get creative.
Unless the higher ups are just content and dont care.Its just a job.Let me get my 9-5 in and let someone else worry about it.Just put out the numbers and keep shareholders happy.
If thats the case at Ovation then forget everything i wrote above.I'll just keep buying and playing my wood boxes and move on.I for one am looking for that innovative company during the 60's to become innovative again.They are starting to feel dated.. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | CHICK ROCK-- Nice phrase. I have a thing against women who won't play there own instruments.
Nice voice, can you play that for me?
I really have a thing against ANY musicain, male or female, who gets famous, then decides that they don't have to play there own music... Just sing.
Self-centered, ego-tripping, holier-than-thou... etc. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It seems to me that what we see as innovation is really just marketing. I've never been too interested in what's "in", in part, because it will be out next year and I can't afford to be fashionable.
I bought my first Ovation in part because it was popular with the artists at the time, but also because it was truly innovative, in the sense that it was different. To me it was the best playing and sounding guitar for what was then a ton of money for a couple about to get married--$245. I'm not too unhappy that other brands have become more popular. If Ovation went to a wood backed guitar to be innovative, it would just be a step backward. Doing what everyone else does may be popular, but it is hardly innovative. It's not even different, it would be just giving up on the direction that Ovation decided to take. If they went back, it wouldn't be Ovation. |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | I agree, Arthur the phrase "over-priced Karaoke singer"comes to mind. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Mark has got a point there, now,a while ago I was talking (moaning) about that I wanted a JUMBO made by Ovation,even suggested to have a POLL about it, replies ranged anywhere from..too expensive..not called for..no market for it..so I went hunting for a JUMBO made by others,...Martin J-15 mahogany,the thing was smaller than a Dreadnought( they called it a mini-jumbo )..Hrmpf..J-40 was not that big..Gibson J-200 did not have a big sound..I was so disappointed that I invested in Home-Recording stuff..Now..the Market for JUMBO´s is expanding,I could imagine that it would be one way for ovation to Capitalize on a construction that no-one else has,even with the Lyracord bowl,longer scale could be optional,people with beefy fingers would welcome the extra space between the frets,let us imagine , large Top,reasonably slim bowl,fret accesibility up to 20th fret ( dual cut out )that would make it a USEFULL NOVELTY wich would be practical,and ( I am convinced )welcomed by many musicians...,and now I think it`s time to post a thread ;)
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | There's another facet to this discussion...
It's been well established and many people here know, I'm a huge Richard Thompson fan (some say, more like a crack whore) for 25 years. In those 25 years I have seen him countless times and I have seen him play exactly ONE brand of acoustic guitar... not only that, but ONE MODEL of that brand. Every tone, style, song and genre, be it; country, jazz, cajun, rock, folk, celtic, blues, big band, swing, archaic... all of it, from one model guitar. It's a testament to the true artist who makes his/her instrument sound good and makes it do what they want it to. Sure it helps to have a fine instrument but, RT is proof it's more Musician than instrument... |
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Location: SoCal | Good point Jeff. The music is in the player, not the instrument... |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | But is n`t Musician ~~ Instrument interactive :confused:
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| Well then. In the Alive in Seattle dvd, nancy plays a Martin almost exclusively. she does whip out a beautiful blueburst(?) Ovation 12 string and gets a great sound from it. Interesting how she has a signature Martin guitar, yet during her last summer show it was only 12 string and 6 string Takamines. Funny how she used that epiphone (in her adds) for only a 1-2 songs, but for most electric songs it was what one would expect. Sounds like old Nancy is a pretty bright cookie when in comes to picking up endorsement cashola. Is her music evolving or just her bank account? Either way, I'm sure there are many artists who would basically pick up just about anything and sound great. If I could, I'd pick up the cash also.
Whichever is true, she should keep rocking because, as I said earlier, her performance level is simply fantastic. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Nancy uses a combination of single-coil (Telecaster) and humbucker (Les Paul) guitars for her electric songs, as appropriate....the LP tends to get brought out for the Zep stuff. She would never use it for something like "Straight On".
Yes, I noticed that she did NOT use a Martin during the show last summer....as long as she endorses the HD-35 signature model, I suppose Martin doesn't care.
The blue 12-string in the "Seattle" video is Ann's custom SSB Balladeer, which was mentioned before.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | What is Nancy playing in this video?
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Location: South of most, North of few | I think all this comes down to one thing...
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Location: Birmingham, AL | She just signed off on a Martin D35 custom in her name. Drats! She looked sexier with the Ovations, especially the Adamas. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | NObody?????
Anybody?????
I am sure someone can identify that longnecked instrument Nancy is playing. |
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Location: closely held secret | It's a flute, Stephen... |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Is that not a bouzouki??
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Location: closely held secret | Nancy is playing a dulcimer. Ann is playing a flute. I had them mixed up. My bad. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well, I suppose a flute could be considered a longneck instrument.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | ???????.....that is NOT a dulcimer!!!!!! I own several. Noway, nohow. Dulcimers sit on one's lap, and are generally not played standing up. The body is usually most of the length of the fretboard.
I vote for a 6-string bouzouki....it sounds like one. Something in the bouzouki/octave mandolin family.
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Location: NJ | Bouzouki. |
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Location: closely held secret | Upon closer examination (in full screen) I can state unequivocally that you are all crazy.
Yes, it looks like 6 string bouzouki. I was wrong.
But that doesn't change the fact that you're all crazy. :D |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Thanks for confirming what my wife has known for over 30 years..... :D
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Location: Yucaipa, California | ...back to thinking outside the box... why not an Ovation (Roundback) Archtop, "F-hole" jazz guitar?....since they won't make a banjo.... |
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Location: Utah | Just yesterday I had a really outside-the-box thought.
Ovation/Adamas classical string instruments. A contour bowl AAA Sitka or carbon fiber topped violin with built in piezo pickup. A deep bowl Viola. Ultra Deep Bowl upright string bass.
It could be a real revolution. |
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Location: NJ | There IS a company that makes 'em out of carbon-fibre . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I've posted THIS before. Impressive carbon fiber instruments. |
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Location: Lakewood, Ohio | I saw heart open for the Rolling Stones at the University Of Colorado Stadium in Boulder in 1980. Nancy Wilson's solo intro to Crazy on You was the best part of the show, including the Stones set. The crowd wa absolutely stunned. |
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