A couple clarifications...if I may
edensharvest
Posted 2006-12-14 1:14 AM (#226680)
Subject: A couple clarifications...if I may


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Please understand, I wish to cause no more turmoil here. After reading all 20 pages (at this point) of the previous thread, I have come to a few conclusions.

1. I may never eat pork again
2. Canadians like to drink...a lot
3. Very few people actually know what's going on most of the time

It's the last one I need to address, so that I'm not leaving anything misunderstood or anyone in the dark here.

I posted regarding some inside information I had that turns out to be 'unavailable for confirmation' at this time. I think of Tom Cruise, "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you," on this one. At the time I posted it, I was unaware of the sensitive situation, and the resulting shockwave caused ripples with intense effects on me and my involvement in this board.

Suffice it to say, I misunderstood others' actions on this subject, and, while I cannot really say more in good conscience about it, please understand that the tenor of my previous post was largely influenced by my reactions to a situation in which I did not have all the facts. For anyone that I offended as a result, it was not my direct intention, and I apologize.

For what it's worth, I have talked with both Al and Miles, and as far as I know have at least some mutual understanding with both (please jump in here guys if I'm wrong). We may not always agree, but we do respect each other, and that is in my opinion the biggest part.

As to my involvement here, I do feel compelled to remove myself from activity. This situation if nothing else reinforced what I had long suspected, that I find myself in the centerpoint of a situation involving resentment, anger, and frustration that really has nothing to do with me. Whether or not I put myself in that situation intentionally is debatable, but to remain in a place where so much turmoil is almost a foregone conclusion would be to destroy the very thing I enjoy about the OFC, and that is the people.

Whether this makes any more sense or not is debatable, but the bottom line is that without hurting any feelings (hopefully) or attacking anyone else's point of view, I feel it best to retire, at least for a time, and pull some fuel off the fire for now. Most of you know me by my postings, some personally, many by reputation. With somewhere over 1000 posts I'm sure that I am well reckognized here by most. I can say with a certain amount of conficence that the vast majority of members here would not instantly associate aggression and argument as my main attributes. Sarcasm and bad jokes perhaps...

Without composing another novel, let me just say again that I am sorry if I have offended anyone personally with my previous post. What is probably the best thing for me right now became overshadowed in the frustration that fueled the post itself, so please don't read too far into it.

As to anything else about me, my thoughts or stands, or how any of that relates to Al, Miles, or Greg, I am more than happy to discuss it...but it doesn't belong here. Hopefully, in removing myself from the situation, the issues that are not truly ours can be set aside and things can take a positive swing once again.

The lesson: NEVER ASSUME!

I will once again, perhaps more gracefully, take my leave. My profile will remain intact, as well as my information. If anyone needs to get ahold of me, please feel free to. Or, if Ovation starts making only wood-bodied guitars and someone needs to tell me...well, in that case, God help us all!

Farewell again for now, and may all of you have a very Merry Christmas.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2006-12-14 1:26 AM (#226681 - in reply to #226680)
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Andrew, Merry Christmas.

Guys and Gals, Andrew has a great but high calorie website...can order by mail (that's a hint).
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-14 1:29 AM (#226682 - in reply to #226680)
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www.atasteofeden.com lotsa goodies there..even tho i probly shouldnt consume all that crap but i am a sucker for good banana nut bread. merry christmas andrew...jason
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-12-14 1:38 AM (#226683 - in reply to #226680)
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Ummmm, I know we all come with different thicknesses of skin....but has anyone here felt 'hurt' by the exchanges Edensharvest refers to? 'Course, I too may be speaking out of turn. and not the first time.

I think it's been one of those little flair-ups that amuse those not directly involved, and everyone else has a hug and moves on.

(Canadians don't really drink that much. It's just part of the legend that we keep alive. You all don't say "y'all" either. ;) )
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 1:38 AM (#226684 - in reply to #226680)
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Merry Christmas Andrew. I hope you come back.
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lanaki
Posted 2006-12-14 1:44 AM (#226685 - in reply to #226680)
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Mele Kalikimaka, Andrew. Hauoli Makahiki Hou!

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Saw all that sweetbread on your site...oh my weakness! My wife is Portuguese so the hankerin' for some good sweetbread is in my blood!

Take your leave if you must, but I vote you keep hangin' out/in with us. I love ya even if ya do eat pork!!!
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TexasDoc
Posted 2006-12-14 1:47 AM (#226686 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by fillhixx:
You all don't say "y'all" either. ;) )
Um, yes, we do!
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 1:52 AM (#226687 - in reply to #226680)
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Yeah, in Texas we do. Still sounds better than you'se guys.
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noah
Posted 2006-12-14 2:04 AM (#226688 - in reply to #226680)
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Andrew, I see no reason for you to go.

I have not yet caught up on my email and the posts, but I'm sure that when I do, I'll have found even more reasons for you to stay.
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-14 2:08 AM (#226689 - in reply to #226680)
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i think you's is a east coast thing. i come from the backwoods of wva so its y'all as well...jason
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John B
Posted 2006-12-14 6:05 AM (#226690 - in reply to #226680)
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As with most things, I really had no clue as to what happened, and since it's none of my business, that's the way it should be. I would like to say however, that it takes a big person to post the message at the top of this thread.

There were several little temper flair ups during this whole thing that I'm sure that everyone would like to just forget about. So, may I suggest that we do just that? As we say in Jersey....."FOGGETabout it"
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Trader Jim
Posted 2006-12-14 6:09 AM (#226691 - in reply to #226680)
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Andrew, Merry Christmas, and please hurry back.
"Thanks for the memories...."
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 6:32 AM (#226692 - in reply to #226680)
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Well done, Andrew.

Happy Holidays.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2006-12-14 7:10 AM (#226693 - in reply to #226680)
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I don't know anything of what really went on, and I don't need to. I've enjoyed typing at you, Andrew. Hope to hear from you again.

Please reconsider the pork.

Jas
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muzza
Posted 2006-12-14 7:42 AM (#226694 - in reply to #226680)
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Andrew, I think the best thing you could do at this point in time is to delete the 20 page monster thread, delete this one, everyone will forget it ever happened and everything will go back to normal with you taking an active part in proceedings.

Did I say "normal"????

And have a Merry Christmas.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2006-12-14 7:47 AM (#226695 - in reply to #226680)
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Andrew,

Thank You for expressing how you feel. I for one do not feel you have offended anyone. You were just passing on information that you thought would of interest to the other members.

I hope you have a very Merry Christmas and I wish you well for the New Year.

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Lightfoot
Posted 2006-12-14 8:21 AM (#226696 - in reply to #226680)
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an4340
Posted 2006-12-14 8:32 AM (#226697 - in reply to #226680)
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Good bye! Again!
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alpep
Posted 2006-12-14 8:41 AM (#226698 - in reply to #226680)
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I just want to express that I asked Andrew to post a clarification of his last post since at the time he did it he did not have all the facts.

I felt that if Miles or I tried to post an explanation it would have been seen as "damage control" or some other nonsense.

I have the most problem with this statement: <>

I may be many things but I have my integrity. I do not, have never and will never lie or fabricate anything to anyone on this message board. The above accusation still makes my blood boil.

In a nutshell, sensative confidential information was posted by someone who did not know. We were asked to circumvent this information leak. We did so. No one lied, nothing was fabricated, no actions were taken due to any vendetta or anything else.


now in my best officer bar brady voice "there is nothing else to see here move along"

everyone have a great holiday
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Slipkid
Posted 2006-12-14 8:50 AM (#226699 - in reply to #226680)
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You are a class act Andrew.
Please don't stay gone very long.
You are a good role model to have around here.
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 9:01 AM (#226700 - in reply to #226680)
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There, the whole world has responded. Well, at least the Ovation players. It's all that counts.

In about ten years or so your three Daughters (at least) will be approaching a hormonal transfixation and you will long for the days when things like this looked simple!


May peace encompass the ending to every story and faith and strength be found in the midst of it all.
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cliff
Posted 2006-12-14 9:07 AM (#226701 - in reply to #226680)
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cue Tiny Tim . . .
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cliff
Posted 2006-12-14 9:08 AM (#226702 - in reply to #226680)
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(no . . . NOT the dead guy with the ukelele! . . . .)
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John B
Posted 2006-12-14 9:14 AM (#226703 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by cliff:
(no . . . NOT the dead guy with the ukelele! . . . .)
DAMN! I had about 3 or 4 wise ass remarks lined up!
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2006-12-14 10:13 AM (#226704 - in reply to #226680)
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Delete the controversial threads and most will forget about it. Apologize where appropriate and forgiveness should be extended and received. Most discussion boards have flameups on occasion, and most are unnecessary.

This is a season of singing songs of peace on earth. If we can't have it here, there is little hope for the rest of the world.

My modest, as always, opinion.
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 10:43 AM (#226705 - in reply to #226680)
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Ahem... "God bless us, every one!" "And God bless Mr. Ebeneazer Scrooge!"

If it weren't for the latter Tiny Tim I think there would have been a Ukelele revival decades ago! Not sure what to do about them banjoes.

Like Paul, I'm rather proud of my humility...
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Beal
Posted 2006-12-14 11:45 AM (#226706 - in reply to #226680)
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Al, just keep in mind that their only object is to bring you down. It's not about competition, it's about squashing you. Then it all gets coated in all this Holier than thou I can do no wrong God-Squad rhetoric and any responce then gets threatened with all kinds of law suits.
Don't let it get to you.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-12-14 11:54 AM (#226707 - in reply to #226680)
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There is only one good, that is knowledge;
there's only one evil, that is ignorance.
Socrates
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 12:01 PM (#226708 - in reply to #226680)
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Just about all religions have people who embrace themselves so deeply in belief that they believe their relationship with their god is better than anybody elses, therefore they are either better than everyone else, feel they have the power to control others, or have freedoms to take advantage of others with god's blessing.

Unfortunately, they are also usually the most vocal. Gives religion a bad name, but you often see it in all stations in life, from world leaders to small businessmen.
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gh1
Posted 2006-12-14 12:10 PM (#226709 - in reply to #226680)
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On the other hand there is gin, girls, and guitars.

And i am ready for a healthy dose of all three after wading through 20 some odd pages of this catharsis. (oh and definately some pulled pork tacos!)

Wish i had the available cash because this is up for sale:



Play on! and have fun.
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gh1
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2006-12-14 12:23 PM (#226710 - in reply to #226680)
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Uh oh.... now we're a porn site. :eek:

That is some tasty looking wood.

Al, it IS tough when the man is keepin' you down!
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2006-12-14 12:32 PM (#226711 - in reply to #226680)
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I wish I had something pithy to add... but I don't.

Anything I can think of to say will only make me feel better, and do nothing for anyone else.

click
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2006-12-14 12:38 PM (#226712 - in reply to #226680)
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Miles: this, too, will pass.

Can anyone tell I am ducking real work this morning?
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Beal
Posted 2006-12-14 12:59 PM (#226713 - in reply to #226680)
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click and on the road for the next few days.
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gh1
Posted 2006-12-14 1:01 PM (#226714 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Paul Blanchard:
Uh oh.... now we're a porn site. :eek:

That is some tasty looking wood.
Koa, spruce and ebony -- doesn't get much better than that! I've got to shake the piggy bank harder i think.



1 3/4" neck at the nut. Nine ply binding, and a carved archtop to boot!

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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-12-14 2:20 PM (#226715 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Paul Blanchard:
Miles: this, too, will pass.

Can anyone tell I am ducking real work this morning?
Welcome to my world, Paul.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 2:30 PM (#226716 - in reply to #226680)
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Greg,
not that I, in anyway, object to the pickles you sent, but DUDE!, we coulda just swapped gits fer a spell. HUBBA-Freakin'-HUBBA.
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gh1
Posted 2006-12-14 2:33 PM (#226717 - in reply to #226680)
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Ah Jeff, if it were only mine -- lust comes to mind. But at 4k, a lust that probably will go unfulfilled. The story of my life :)

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gh1
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Waskel
Posted 2006-12-14 2:34 PM (#226718 - in reply to #226680)
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Jeff, I didn't take you for the kinda guy that got that excited about a pickle.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 2:42 PM (#226719 - in reply to #226680)
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I'm all over a good Polish Dill (ShutUp! Witko,Cliff, Weaser, Schroeder, Waskel, fillhixx, Moody....)
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stonebobbo
Posted 2006-12-14 2:44 PM (#226720 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by cwk2:
click and on the road for the next few days.
Safe travels Bill. And thanks for the favor ... got word the package arrived in my mailbox.
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cliff
Posted 2006-12-14 3:03 PM (#226721 - in reply to #226680)
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. . . an' don't ferget th' SHWIMPS, Uncah Beal! . . .
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2006-12-14 3:59 PM (#226722 - in reply to #226680)
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...What??? Did someone say Banjo???




...oh, sorry, wrong thread....
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 4:03 PM (#226723 - in reply to #226680)
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Tim, what came first, the hairpiece or the banjo?
:D
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2006-12-14 4:27 PM (#226724 - in reply to #226680)
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...what hairpiece?????
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 4:32 PM (#226725 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by cwk2:
Al, just keep in mind that their only object is to bring you down. It's not about competition, it's about squashing you. Then it all gets coated in all this Holier than thou I can do no wrong God-Squad rhetoric and any responce then gets threatened with all kinds of law suits.
Don't let it get to you.
I'm thinkin' this post through. Hard.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 4:43 PM (#226726 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
...what hairpiece?????
Oh!
:eek:
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2006-12-14 5:01 PM (#226727 - in reply to #226680)
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Ok, It seems I MUST go through this again!

It's not a hairpiece, it's protective headgear to prevent the Government Thought Control rays that are broadcast by those "Black Helicopters" from affecting me. Seems to me the headgear works justfinejustfinejustfine.... oh, here's the REAL scoop on the Black Helicopters just in case you doubt they exist!

Black Helicopters Exposed!
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cruster
Posted 2006-12-14 5:04 PM (#226728 - in reply to #226680)
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I just wanted to say, for the record, that I haven't the foggiest notion WTF the brouhaha was all about (as usual) and that I really don't give a flying rats behind, either.

More importantly, and I think this deserves to be in it's own paragraph, +1 to my post count.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-12-14 5:06 PM (#226729 - in reply to #226680)
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Was our other monster thread that started all of this deleted?
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 5:08 PM (#226730 - in reply to #226680)
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Yup.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-12-14 5:12 PM (#226731 - in reply to #226680)
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GH1,
Is that guitar on the bay? What's the link?
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stephent28
Posted 2006-12-14 5:12 PM (#226732 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by MWoody:
Yup.
by Andrew?
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Waskel
Posted 2006-12-14 5:21 PM (#226733 - in reply to #226680)
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Do post counts go down when threads are deleted?
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 5:23 PM (#226734 - in reply to #226680)
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It would have to be the Post Starter or a Moderator and I know our Mods don't obliterate the written word without a damn good reason.

Consider it a Post starters option.

You keep your Post count.

Only homeland Security has the back up.
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2006-12-14 5:29 PM (#226735 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by MWoody:
It would have to be the Post Starter or a Moderator and I know our Mods don't obliterate the written word without a damn good reason.

Consider it a Post starters option.

You keep your Post count.

Only homeland Security has the back up.
for the uninitiated or totally naive person on the internet today check out: visual traceroute , just hit enter on an empty field after the applet comes up..

or you can trace other ips if you choose.

how many of your first couple of hops go to DC or VA?

GH
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 5:40 PM (#226736 - in reply to #226680)
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That's some scary stuff...
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2006-12-14 5:50 PM (#226737 - in reply to #226680)
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some may never post again... the other's are now attempting to wipe their hard-drives... too late!!

George already knows what's there. :rolleyes:

GH
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-12-14 5:57 PM (#226738 - in reply to #226680)
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That's okay, he won't remember it right anyway.

"We gotta take out that fillhixx in Kandahar. He's just way too, well, you know? I mean what I said, what was it?"
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an4340
Posted 2006-12-14 6:02 PM (#226739 - in reply to #226680)
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I went to a seminar on internet law (ie how to use the internet for pre-trial discovery) and everything you do is monitored and stored somewhere. Every guitar search, every porn site, every gambling site, every thing you viewed, every email you wrote ...
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gh1
Posted 2006-12-14 6:08 PM (#226740 - in reply to #226680)
Subject: Re: A couple clarifications...if I may


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Originally posted by stephent28:
GH1,
Is that guitar on the bay? What's the link?
Are you completely out of your mind!!?? I'm not telling YOU! ;)


No, it's on TGP

_____
gh1
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an4340
Posted 2006-12-14 6:09 PM (#226741 - in reply to #226680)
Subject: Re: A couple clarifications...if I may


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Oh yeah, and the federal government tracks what you viewed if somehow the data passes thru a "spine" located in the US, which is of course, owned by the government. And most internet traffic flows at some point thru the us.
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alpep
Posted 2006-12-14 6:11 PM (#226742 - in reply to #226680)
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andrew decided he wanted that thread deleted and he did. as the first poster when you delete your post the thread is gone.
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Waskel
Posted 2006-12-14 6:15 PM (#226743 - in reply to #226680)
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If all you conspiracy theorists are done, you might notice the upper left corner of the VisualRoute web page... they're located in Ashburn, VA. It's not tracing from your location, it's tracing from theirs.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-12-14 6:15 PM (#226744 - in reply to #226680)
Subject: Re: A couple clarifications...if I may


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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
Ok, It seems I MUST go through this again!

It's not a hairpiece, it's protective headgear to prevent the Government Thought Control rays that are broadcast by those "Black Helicopters" from affecting me. Seems to me the headgear works justfinejustfinejustfine.... oh, here's the REAL scoop on the Black Helicopters just in case you doubt they exist!

Black Helicopters Exposed!
Tim, you're scaring me now. And after reading the rest of the thread I'm too scared to click on that link. :eek:
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an4340
Posted 2006-12-14 6:15 PM (#226745 - in reply to #226680)
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The good news is the government has a copy of the deleted thread somewhere!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 6:22 PM (#226746 - in reply to #226680)
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I live near Ashburn...
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-14 6:23 PM (#226747 - in reply to #226680)
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im not too far from wdc or arlington va.....jason
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 6:27 PM (#226748 - in reply to #226680)
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Actually, that frightens me more...

;)
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cruster
Posted 2006-12-14 6:30 PM (#226749 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by alpep:
andrew decided he wanted that thread deleted and he did. as the first poster when you delete your post the thread is gone.
I'd like to delete the last four days. :rolleyes:

(Generally speaking, not referring to threads here)
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MWoody
Posted 2006-12-14 6:31 PM (#226750 - in reply to #226680)
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I'll be singing hymns right up until the sound of the machine guns...
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-12-14 6:33 PM (#226751 - in reply to #226680)
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i can allways expect a smart ass coment from jw...its the little things like that that make the day worthwhile..thanks for making my day jeff...jason
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muzza
Posted 2006-12-14 7:40 PM (#226752 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
Originally posted by MWoody:
Yup.
by Andrew?
Now he just has to delete this one and we can all forget about it.


...forget about what???
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-12-14 7:55 PM (#226753 - in reply to #226680)
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I hate to think that our tax dollars are being spent to pay some geek in Washington to review all the porn searches. I want a job application. Will he be able to tell that I originally typed "porn searches that everone does" or that I thought about typing "my porn searches." Now if I change this, he'll still know. There is no escape.

Edit: I just realized that he'll know I called him a geek. I'm in trouble, now. Tax audit for sure.
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Spook_Watcher
Posted 2006-12-14 8:05 PM (#226754 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Edit: I just realized that he'll know I called him a geek. I'm in trouble, now. Tax audit for sure.
I've been called worse. You don't need to worry about the audit; the automated audit was mostly OK. Have a good night.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 8:18 PM (#226755 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by MWoody:
I'll be singing hymns right up until the sound of the machine guns...
Woody,
The voices... tell ... me . . . A...P... R... I... L...


....'09
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dvd
Posted 2006-12-14 8:44 PM (#226756 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
If all you conspiracy theorists are done, you might notice the upper left corner of the VisualRoute web page... they're located in Ashburn, VA. It's not tracing from your location, it's tracing from theirs.
Waskel's right about the traceroutes.. but conspiracy ? What conspiracy ? ;)
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cruster
Posted 2006-12-14 9:16 PM (#226757 - in reply to #226680)
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All this conspiracy business reminds me of the good old days of The Lumber Cartel (TINLC).
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-12-14 10:34 PM (#226758 - in reply to #226680)
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Best to hide in plain sight. That's my theory.

and they ain't found me in 31 years as of July 30th just passed.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-12-14 11:00 PM (#226759 - in reply to #226680)
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If you think you are not being watched...
There are medications to help you adjust.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2006-12-15 12:41 PM (#226760 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
If all you conspiracy theorists are done, you might notice the upper left corner of the VisualRoute web page... they're located in Ashburn, VA. It's not tracing from your location, it's tracing from theirs.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist (much), but the Department of Homeland Security set up their state-of-the-art data center in Ashburn VA within the past year.
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-15 12:57 PM (#226761 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I hate to think that our tax dollars are being spent to pay some geek in Washington to review all the porn searches.
No doubt, but the issue isn't the government. Its all the various companies that have a presence on the internet.

Think about it. What could you learn about an individual if you knew every Google search he made over the last two years? How about coming up with a personality profile generator, where based on your search criteria, you are assigned into one of several different personality types.

The day is coming, soon, where people will be denied jobs because the inferred personality traits gleaned from their Internet activity will disqualify them.

Unless of course we act first. Privacy protections are hopelessly out of date. We need new legislation immediately.
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-15 1:01 PM (#226762 - in reply to #226680)
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New legislation would certainly need to be objective, but since more and more Congressmen are millionare lawyers who will say anything to get the job and do anything to keep it, objectivity is most certainly lost in the process.
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Chuck (Retired Navy)
Posted 2006-12-15 2:57 PM (#226763 - in reply to #226680)
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Objectivity is NOT one of our Congressmen's strong point on anything unless they are the direct beneficiaries of the results. :(
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-15 3:05 PM (#226764 - in reply to #226680)
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I don't understand the term "objectivity" in this context. In fact, it seems to me that most things political are political because they are subjective: Weighing one person or groups values against anothers'.

In the present example, we might say that employers have an interest in knowing the personality traits of their applicants. And since Google has a ton of data relevent to the question, they (Google) should be allowed to sell that information.

On the other hand, we might say that individuals have an interest in a sphere of privacy that includes their internet activity.

Objectively, both positions are "true". So, its the job of politics to weight them against each other and make some decisions.

In my view, the rights of individuals to privacy are far more important, so that's where I'm coming from.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2006-12-15 4:16 PM (#226765 - in reply to #226680)
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From someone who has been in the industry let me tell you, the LAST person you need to worry about is Uncle Sam. There are no "people" monitoring the literally billions of pages of http and email format traffic that passes each day, its computers searching for patterns and volume. And as far as "copies" there are copies at your host, and at every cache router between you and your host, and guess what, just because you are in the USA and our server is in the USA, doesn't mean that the traffic stays in between.

If you are worried about your "personal" info, think about it hard the next time you throw out your bills, or give the less-than-minimum-wage busboy your credit card to pay for that burger you just ate.

Now, I may be wrong on this, because it is hard to believe, but to my knowledge, so far, any and ALL breaches of personal information, even those alleged by the government, originated from real-word information that was mishandled. As example the VA database was at risk... why??? because some employee had the access information on their laptop, that they took home, that got stolen.

With my knowledge and background, the government is who I least care about knowing about my personal business.

fwiw
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-16 10:39 AM (#226766 - in reply to #226680)
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'Weighing one person or groups values against another' will depend on who is doing the 'weighing', and a millionare attorney/congressman has no objective point of reference with me personally anymore than an employer might have while using 'data' to determine my personality traits. Sounds like some psych-ops nerd trying to justify his job at the people's expense. My business is none of the government's business regardless of whether they're competent or trustworthy. There is no 'uncle sam', but if there was he's out of the people's control these days.
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Omaha
Posted 2006-12-16 12:28 PM (#226767 - in reply to #226680)
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Originally posted by Steve:
'Weighing one person or groups values against another' will depend on who is doing the 'weighing'
Exactly right. Which is why you should make as much effort as you care to ensure that the guys making the decisions agree with you. But the other guy is going to do the same thing. If he wins, he wins. If you win, you win.
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Steve
Posted 2006-12-16 4:33 PM (#226768 - in reply to #226680)
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With all the 911 hype, the issue of privacy is being re-defined as we speak. Objectvity or subjectiviy as well. I have a friend who is VP at a bank. He said before 911 the banks policy was absolute privacy for the customers, as little information as possible. Now he says it has radically turned the other way. They want absolutely as much information as they can possibly get on any and every customer or account holder. They're taking weeks of new classes in this regard. It's nonsense, and overkill pure and simple. It's like everyone is now suspect and guilty until proven innocent. The "give up your privacy for your own security" double-speak. But my privacy and security didn't fail on 911, the federal government's failed.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2006-12-16 4:48 PM (#226769 - in reply to #226680)
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Excuse the politics-- Link here to find-out how these people used this event to take away our rights, run us trillions of dollars into debt, and make George W king.

http://stage6.divx.com/Louder_Than_Words/show_video/1005782

Now back to the music... Have you played your Ovation today?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-12-16 9:08 PM (#226770 - in reply to #226680)
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Forgive me for saying this guys, but this is one of the sillier discussions on the board. "King Georg"? Give me a break.

As somebody who makes a living in the world of gathering information, I can tell you that privacy is a perception, nothing more. There is a ton of information on everybody out there for those who know how to access it. Laws passed by the government to limit that information might make it more expensive to get, but believe me, it can be gotten.

Now having said that, you have to understand that almost nobody is looking at individuals unless there's a good legal reason. Because of my p.i. license, I have access to a whole range of databases, but the misuse of that information will cost me my livliehood and possbily my freedom.

People who think that the goverment is spending time looking at them individually, are just kidding themselves. There is not enough government in this country to do that. And businesses look at trends and demographics, not individuals.

It's not 1984 people. I haven't seen abortions become illegal and the president is not a king, nor will he become one anytime soon. Grow up.

OMA did hit the nail with his head on one comment...

Have you played your Ovation today?
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2006-12-16 10:24 PM (#226771 - in reply to #226680)
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Well said Sleepy Bones Lee!!!

There are enough services available that for $50.00 you can find out just about anything important about anyone in a matter of seconds. A little research and you can find out just about everything.

I highly recommend people just type their own name into Google. All that info is free.
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2006-12-17 6:10 AM (#226772 - in reply to #226680)
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wow, just found out I'm a Judge and an aerospace engineer... ;)

is that why you guys were all so nice when I first showed up?

sorry, not me...

Glenn
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