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Location: Zion, Illinois | Well, just when I thought I had overcome that dreaded illness GAS, it struck.
I sold my lifelong friend, my Glen Campbell 12-string to some Alaskin Guy (may he ROT in heck - just kidding) to buy a wooden Breedlove 12-string.
A couple of years later I still regret it. The Breedlove sounds great, but it never plays as well as my Ovation. I took it to 2 luthiers to try to improve the action, but none of them could make it play as well as my Ovation.
So, I decided to sell the Breedlove and buy another Ovation. I also wanted a Adamas since I might retire to another place where it is hot and humid.
The problem was I found an Ovation on EBay: an Adamas 12-string in mint condition. After thinking it over for about 10 seconds I placed a bid for what I thought would be the maximum I would be willing to pay for it. I won!!!
The problem is that after checking more deeply into this guitar I found that the seller had just bought it recently for under $1000, whereas I paid $1475!
Was I a dunce?
Or did he get a steal and just made a nifty profit from a dunce?
Or should I just be happy since my research showed (I thought) that $1475 for a mint Adamas 12-string was a fair price?
Here is the link:
Adamas 12-string
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Location: Reno, NV | Hmm... sounds familiar.....
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | My first OK [Ovation-Korea] cost me $351 plus s/h. I've seen them go for less since! I've also seen them go for more. I try not to let it bother me. (I just got a good deal, so Karma is being good to me.)
The evil side of me shops some of these guy's history for fun (and boredom). In the last 3 mo. I've seen the same O's bought and resold a coupla times. Just be happy with what you've got. [I think there is a thread about that.]
BTW I just played with a $800 Breedlove 12 at GC, it was nice. |
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Location: big island | bradley,
if i had the $1475 to pay for the guitar you bought, i probably would have! in fact, i was monitoring that auction closely. looks like a very fine guitar and worth the money. the seller got an exceptional bargain back in october. |
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Location: ranson,wva | the name of the game is buy low sell high,make your profits and cut your loses..i do the same thing. if i can buy a guitar for $100.00 work my magic on it and flip it for $300-$400 im gonna....jason |
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Location: SoCal | Bradley,
No reason that you would have known but the problem was that it shouldn't have gone over $1,100. Worth a lot more but that is about what they have sold for over the past couple of years ($860-$1,050).
Dan and I were trying to get that for him as he needs a shallow bowl. Dan is the member that is selling the Adamas Q on eBay as it is a mid-bowl.
So, Dan may have to do a special order. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
No reason that you would have known but the problem was that it shouldn't have gone over $1,100. Worth a lot more but that is about what they have sold for over the past couple of years ($860-$1,050). But Dan's initial bid was $1200 and his last bid was $1450. It appears that Bradley was not the only one who felt the guitar had value. It is a mint specimen. I was even thinking about going after that guitar, but had to keep reminding myself about a different 12-string I would rather have. Last I heard, Dan had placed a custom order for a new 12-string and I was surprised to see him in the bidding at first. |
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Location: SoCal | Bradley, You did good. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If the guitar is in the condition claimed by the seller, you have a great textured top shallow bowl Adamas. Ebay is riddled with people trying to buy low and resell high. Your seller capitalized on a slugish market, but for mint condition, they did not scam anyone. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Back to the Evil side of me-- I've been looking for a good USO. I've been out-bid by people who are selling the guitar that they out-bid me on Last Month! Capitalism is alive and well! Even in Communist China. I love how the American Capitalists get mad at them for making bootleg copies of EVERYTHING, including auto parts. Then hires them to make my GC057.
But buy low/sell high is the American Way. (sux donut) |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Bradley:
Or should I just be happy.....? Yes. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | The value of the guitar will ultimately be determined by how much you enjoy it.
I have a guitar or two I'll bet I could have got for a better price. But I have never regretted the purchases.
It's a beautiful guitar, enjoy it! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | You got a great guitar for a fair price. Be happy. Why should the fact the seller paid $1000. or he paid $1400. make any difference to you? The seller is in business to make money, you are in business to pay what you think it's worth. You done good. Dave |
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Location: NJ | fair price for that guitar. |
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Location: CT | Hold onto it for a couple of months, then sell it for 1650. Or not. It looks great, just enjoy it. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Agreed - Don't Worry, Be Happy. You didn't buy it to make a profit - you bought it to play it... so play the hell out of it and enjoy. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Enjoy the guitar.
That said, we've all gone thru the same thing at least once, and at least for me, I've learned my lesson. Before any guitar related purchase I always research the price, quality etc. Determine what it should be worth. And then buy it. Live and learn. Don't sweat it and move on. I never feel like the item I'm looking at it is the last one. There will always be another guitar. And if anyone tells you otherwise, tell 'em to get lost. |
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| Also agree - your enjoyment of the guitar is what counts, and you can't begrudge a a guy making a profit. I also wanted this particular guitar, and would have been happy to spend the $1400+ had I had the cash on hand. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | The price you paid was reasonable. That's a great guitar. You did not overpay. You were only $25 higher than the next bidder. |
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Location: SoCal | I've paid high at times, and at times I paid low. If I got the guitar I wanted at a price that was acceptible to me, I never worried about it. |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | It could be worse, you could be stuck with that Breedlove or another guitar that don't play and sound as good as an Adamas. How much is that worth to you? If you're hungry for something, you pay the price. I have never regretted buying an Ovation.
If you feel you paid too much, you have the additional benefit of bragging rights. I love to hear the rich people down here in Atl brag/complain about their contractor who ended up charging double or more, be inconvenienced, delayed, jerked around, etc... after they've called the guy every name in the book, say "but he sure does good work!" and the other party asks "can I have his number?" |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | It can be vexing when you buy something only to learn the seller recently got for much less. But I agree with others that that fact is a moot point. What really matters is whether you what was described for the price you paid. I hope you LOVE this guitar. |
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Location: Utah | When I bought my duaghter her 1778T-RF from Guitar Center, I paid about $900 out the door, including guitar, case, a few extras, and tax. GC paid less than I did, and they made a profit.
There's always a better deal that somebody finds, but the question is really whether you are happy with what you got for what you paid. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by Tupperware:
You got a great guitar for a fair price. Be happy. Why should the fact the seller paid $1000. or he paid $1400. make any difference to you? The seller is in business to make money, you are in business to pay what you think it's worth. You done good. Dave bottom line, if you're happy with it, thats what matters. |
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Location: North Idaho | If you like the way it plays--you've got a bargin. I often feel like I'm a charter member of the BHSL club. (Buy High Sell Low) |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | I know the feeling tdeej... |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | I am now suffering the OTHER kind of buyers remorse... NOT pulling the trigger.
I was watching that Legend LX with a BIN of $600 on ebay. It was supposed to end tonight. I ran out to do some errands and told myself that I would just use the BIN when I got home.. sure enough it was gone!
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | )((*#$()^%#@#$@#%@!!! PLease review the Slipkid Manifesto.
Are you SURE you want impressionable children (and women, for that matter) learning language like this? |
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Location: Whitecourt, Ab | Brad,
It brings to mind the old saying...
"It's not the size that counts, It's how you use it"
Use it well! |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Pardon Moi fillhixx... I shall try to clean up my language...
:-) :) :0) <:-)
Better? |
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That should take care of Mr Say-Tan, HmmmMMM?! |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Bradley, I think you made a horrible mistake. Probably one that will haunt you forever. I just don't know how you will ever be able to live with that guitar in the house. I mean, every time you look at it you will think, gosh, what a fool I was. Some guy just walked off with about $500 of my money for nothing, the jerk. I see nothing but bad vibes and you will never be comfortable playing it. Pretty soon you will begin to believe it's haunted and taunting you. You will miss a note and immediately think of that jerk and what a fool he made of you. You'll get frustrated and pretty soon your work will suffer. Your wife will wonder if you still love her and if you're having an affair. Your kids will be asking their mother, whats the matter with Daddy? Your cat will run away at the sight of you. And pretty soon you'll begin to question your faith and whether life is worth living.
There's just one thing, and one thing only, that you can do to rid yourself of this pitiful future, and I'm willing to help. Just send the guitar off to me and I will personally destroy it for you (by playing it to death, probably over a 30 year period, it's so evil), and you will be able to continue your happy life, knowing what a friend you have in me, without ever having to worry about it again.
Your friend,
Rick
PS: I will email you my address shortly. Please insure it for shipping for what you paid. |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | There's just one thing, and one thing only, that you can do to rid yourself of this pitiful future Pitiful, just pitiful. Some people will say anything, anything to try and get a FREE guitar. Doesn't that just burn you up?
First of all there is certainly more than one thing that you can do to avoid the future that Rick so accurately described. You are NOT limited to Rick's entirely self-serving suggestion.
You can sell it to me.
Yes. I will BUY the guitar from you. Now I know you feel bad about how much you paid for the guitar, and I'm sure that you wouldn't want me to feel bad, too. Now ask yourself, wouldn't you have felt great if you had gotten it for say $500.00? Sure you would. And you want to keep the groovy love vibes flowing don't you? Sure you do. And wouldn't I feel great getting this fine guitar for $500.00? Absolutely!! So...
Sell me the guitar for $500.00. That way you'll be out a bunch of money and have no guitar to show for it - a fitting penance for over-spending. You'll feel like you've atoned. I'll feel like I got a great bargain - everybody's happy.
That's the great thing about crystalline logic. There's no arguing with it.
Go ahead and send me the guitar along with the address where you want me to send the check. I'll take care of everything else. No need to thank me. Even though you are a total stranger, I am willing to do his for you. That's just the kind of guy I am.
(Rick - sheesh! What was he thinking?)
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Bradley, If you only had one kidney, there are guys on this Board that could talk you out of it and have you thinking they were doing you a favor :D |
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Location: Houston, Texas | All kidding aside, its a nice guitar and a fair price. You'll enjoy it for a long time! |
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Location: Round Rock, TX | Who's kidding? |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by Lanaki:
bradley,
if i had the $1475 to pay for the guitar you bought, i probably would have! in fact, i was monitoring that auction closely. looks like a very fine guitar and worth the money. the seller got an exceptional bargain back in october. As far as the price goes, I don't hate it when someone gets a great deal. I just HATE it when that someone isn't me :D
I did do some homework before bidding and I thought $1475 was a good price and probably is.
I have to admit I've also have bought guitars from Ebay that others have called 'a steal'. I really don't have anything against anyone for turning a fair profit. |
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Buyer's Regret.... Maybe