Overkill... a group effort
Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-23 12:22 PM (#19131)
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Okay... seems like a few of us already play this and a few more want to take a run at it.

First, to get a common point of refference, here is a link to the guy with the funny eye playing it. Note his hand position on the fretboard. Colin Hay

Second... here is a link to the Chordie page I'm lookin' at. Cheat Sheet

To the guys who already play this, do you play the verse up in the middle of the neck like the video shows or do you use a form of cowboy chords??
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MWoody
Posted 2008-09-23 12:32 PM (#19132 - in reply to #19131)
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That was one of the best cameo music spots in the last 10 years!

MHO - If you are playing solo acoustic go for the power chords up the middle, and in your key. If you are part of an ensamble pick out the tasty parts.

I was so hoping that AJ was going to do "Down Under" at the NW Jam.
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MWoody
Posted 2008-09-23 12:40 PM (#19133 - in reply to #19131)
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A similar walk down in E with open strings would be:

EADGBe
079900
799800
x46600
077600
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bcoombs
Posted 2008-09-23 12:51 PM (#19134 - in reply to #19131)
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I love that clip. I just learned cowboy chords. I'd like to learn the power chords, though, as played on the clip.

Is it just me, or was I the only one that didn't realize back in the 80's that Colin Hay actually had a decent voice?
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Weaser P
Posted 2008-09-23 1:01 PM (#19135 - in reply to #19131)
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Yeah, great clip. And, if you like that tune, which I do, check out his cd Man At Work. Really great cd.

I've always played it using the cowboy chords but I'm going to play it up the neck and see how I like it. Never realized he did that.
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Beal
Posted 2008-09-23 1:06 PM (#19136 - in reply to #19131)
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he's quite good
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John B
Posted 2008-09-23 1:56 PM (#19137 - in reply to #19131)
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I just saw him in concert a few months back. Not only did he sing and play great, he could easily be a comedian. I have since become a big fan of his solo work.
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John B
Posted 2008-09-23 2:00 PM (#19138 - in reply to #19131)
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Originally posted by MWoody:

If you are playing solo acoustic go for the power chords up the middle, and in your key. If you are part of an ensamble pick out the tasty parts.
I agree, I play it exactly how the tab is writtin on the "chordie" page. I don't think it's exactly right, but I think it sounds pretty good.
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John B
Posted 2008-09-23 2:01 PM (#19139 - in reply to #19131)
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-09-23 2:05 PM (#19140 - in reply to #19131)
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This LINK shows his chord work.

I just determined that I need my pinkie for the barres, small hands .
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John B
Posted 2008-09-23 2:11 PM (#19141 - in reply to #19131)
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Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
This LINK shows his chord work.

I just determined that I need my pinkie for the barres, small hands .
Is it me, or is he playing it in "drop d"?
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stephent28
Posted 2008-09-23 2:30 PM (#19142 - in reply to #19131)
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Sounds dropped to me
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-23 3:05 PM (#19143 - in reply to #19131)
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Maybe... but the Bm and the A look kinda normal.
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War Eagle
Posted 2008-09-23 4:21 PM (#19144 - in reply to #19131)
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You can always play "Hold On Loosely" by 38 Special and sing Colin's lyrics..
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Waskel
Posted 2008-09-23 4:25 PM (#19145 - in reply to #19131)
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The Bm is being played with an open high E, not barred...

x24430
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JeffreyD
Posted 2008-09-23 5:16 PM (#19146 - in reply to #19131)
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Is that what power chords are???? I am so excited to learn I have been messing with them for a few weeks on a new song I have been working on. :D Kept hearing the term, and had no clue. :confused:
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an4340
Posted 2008-09-23 5:31 PM (#19147 - in reply to #19131)
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To me power chords, are simply the lower (bassier) three notes of a bar chord. Like the Ramones. But back to Overkill ... I'm interested in it too. Has anyone worked out the strum?
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bcoombs
Posted 2008-09-23 5:38 PM (#19148 - in reply to #19131)
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I thought power chords are just a note and its fifth (and sometimes an octave of the first note). I'm not versed on music theory, but this was my understanding. Mostly used for electric guitar, as full chords often produced bad-sounding (discordant?, trashy?) distortion, while a power chord's distortion is often more 'musical.'
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Damon67
Posted 2008-09-23 5:58 PM (#19149 - in reply to #19131)
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I always called power chords "no 3rd" chords.

Starting off playing thrash metal and hardcore bands no 3rd chords were all I did. We were playing too fast to try to try to figure out if the chord was supposed to be minor or major.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2008-09-23 6:32 PM (#19150 - in reply to #19131)
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Our version is in Esus2. Standard tuning with a Shubb partial capo at fret 2, covering strings 3, 4 & 5. Similar to Drop-d, DADGAD and double Drop-D but up a tone. There's a 7sus4 in there, and it's really essential, use a substitution and it doesn't work
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-25 3:47 PM (#19151 - in reply to #19131)
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This is coming along well.
Except that the way it is written on that Chordie page, a 4 fret stretch is a little beyond what my hobbit hands can do.
If you're having the same problem, try this...

X577XX
X576XX

X355XX
X354XX
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-09-25 8:32 PM (#19152 - in reply to #19131)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
hobbit hands
D'ya call? Over here...
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Oddball
Posted 2008-09-25 10:37 PM (#19153 - in reply to #19131)
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That's one of the best cameos EVER.

I'm not sure what the technical definition of a power chord is. But what Pete Townshend used to do to those poor doomed SGs — now THOSE were power chords.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-09-25 10:52 PM (#19154 - in reply to #19131)
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bcoombs is right. A power chord is a diad instead of a triad like most common chords. It's usually just the 1 and the 5 tones, so it's also called a "5" chord (as in A5). It's missing the part of the chord that determines whether the chord is major or minor, so it works with both.

See... I've been paying attention to my workshop live lessons.

Slipkid's post had this chord for example:
x577xx

That's a D, A and D. If it had an F it would be a D minor. If it had an F# it would be a D major. It's missing the 3rd. So it's both major and minor.
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an4340
Posted 2008-09-26 10:07 AM (#19155 - in reply to #19131)
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Thanks Cap'n
Power Chord = missing part of the chord that determines whether the chord is a major or minor.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-09-26 10:21 AM (#19156 - in reply to #19131)
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Here's another cheat: Drop D power chords

A regular G power chord is played 355xxx
If you drop the top string to D, it's 555xxx

It's the same G5 chord, you just compensated for the tuning change by moving up 2 frets on the top string. Tricky thing is, you now have to think 2 frets up (G = 5th fret).

You can play the C major xx555x
And your D major xx777x

Now all your chords are one finger chords. I don't play them this way, but the teenagers at church do, so they can jump and fly all around while playing.
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giginthesky
Posted 2008-09-26 6:21 PM (#19157 - in reply to #19131)
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am i a sap for admitting i like men at work?
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Waskel
Posted 2008-09-26 6:28 PM (#19158 - in reply to #19131)
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No, you're not a sap for admitting you like men at work.
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giginthesky
Posted 2008-09-26 6:36 PM (#19159 - in reply to #19131)
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thanx waskel e. wabbit.
as for the tune... power chords = black and white. the real chords are high def. each has an audience. you can get by with power chords i suppose. i like the real mccoy however.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-09-26 7:38 PM (#19160 - in reply to #19131)
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I haven't been able to get this song out of my head since this thread started, so tonight I started playing it. Not too hard with the "cheat sheet" chords, and it almost sounds real.
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scooterboy
Posted 2008-09-27 1:04 AM (#19161 - in reply to #19131)
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Love this song, but I like "It's a Mistake" even better.

Nothing wrong with some vintage Men At Work...
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muzza
Posted 2008-09-29 1:30 AM (#19162 - in reply to #19131)
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Try this - Double Drop D chords

I haven't tried it myself yet, but here\'s someone that has. (Not the most talented guitarist, (or clearest recording) but you'll see if they're the chords you're looking for.

Maybe one for Richard to work on for the Oktoberfest?
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-09-29 2:53 AM (#19163 - in reply to #19131)
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No time for me to learn something else. I got stuck on "Throw your arms around me". There are so many different versions that have been done I hear something in my head that I just can't quite articulate with my fingers and voice. I blame you Muzz
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muzza
Posted 2008-10-10 12:13 AM (#19164 - in reply to #19131)
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Hey Brad! How is the song going? Got it yet? Need some inspiration?

What about a chubby bald guy doing a great rendition of it.

And he's definitely playing it in dropped D... or in this case, dropped C#. (He's detuned a half step.)
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-10-10 7:20 AM (#19165 - in reply to #19131)
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Howdy mate!
Overkill is coming along just fine. I just need to play it fifty times to get it memorized.
That guy does it pretty well.
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muzza
Posted 2008-10-10 10:04 AM (#19166 - in reply to #19131)
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Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):I got stuck on "Throw your arms around me"...
... I blame you Muzz
But I don't play that one?? :confused:

I thought you were gonna do Milky Way?

7 sleeps??? :cool:
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