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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | for acoustical rosonance! Another added benefit, I lost 40lbs. in order to make a "void" for the bowl to fill! Love it!
Norse(and you don't need a case for your gear, just loosen a few strings, you can comfortably fit picks, pick-up, cord, capo, and a bucket of KFC [oops there goes the diet]into the bowl, and STILL have better sound than a fender!)man1 |
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Location: Shelton, Washington, USA | Norse, don't worry about the diet.... there's always mid-depth, artist mid-depth, shallow, super shallow.... and the VIPER... just plug in and STILL sound better than any Fender!!! |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Well in that case Jim, I wonder if I would be allowed to bring my Legend into Ol Country Buffet next time I go. The possibilities are ENDLESS!!!
Norse(good thing I have that Kaman Bar to support the neck!)man1 |
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Location: Australia | Why did Kaman ditch the deep bowl ? |
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Location: NJ | lack of interest. |
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Location: SoCal | Ovation positioned itself as the guitar that you plug in. So what was the point in making a guitar that sounded good unplugged? In essense, I believe that moved themselves out of the deep bowl market. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | I love deep bowls too. Problem is -- when I stand sideways, I have the same shape as a deep bowl! :eek: |
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Location: UK | Is there really that much difference in sound between a Deep and mid bowl sound? just 1/2 inch? |
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Location: SoCal | Yup. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I second that. There is a noticable difference. It's a shame that it isn't offered anymore. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Oh yeah! Big difference that half inch makes! :D Size DOES matter! |
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Location: NJ | funny how that half inch makes a difference |
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Location: Australia | Maybe they ditched it because of the perception that the guitars big round back makes them difficult to play, they slide off your knee and all that stuff (Although I've never had any of these concerns with my deep bowl Custom Legend).
If they are superior acoustically, you'd think they'd have kept them on the Adamas series as these are the guitars they really promote as have a great acoustic tone. |
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| Rumor has it that a new deep bowl model may be forthcoming... |
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Location: Australia | The Al Di Meola model is still a deep bowl.
Obviously he thinks it's important. |
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Location: SoCal | Yeah, but what does this DiMiola fellow know?
Seriously, does anybody find it interesting that Most performing players (and Ovation) push the super shallow bowl for stage work, but DiMiola, who mostly plays his Ovation on stage prefers the deep bowl? Maybe he does know something..... |
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Location: NJ | the Demiola is actually a mid bowl to my knowledge unless they were changed back.
sure I bet the Q will be a deep bowl but for how long and at 5K or so it will not be in the range of everyone |
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Location: SoCal | Al, I'm pretty certain (and am willing to bet real money all the way up to a quarter) that the DiMiola model has always been a deep bowl.
As for the Q, is it produced at all right now? It made one catalog about 6 years ago and was never seen again. |
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Location: NJ | Paul
it was my understanding that the demiola model although the last deep bowl production guitar would be changed to mid bowl as soon as the supply of deep ran out.
I have seen the Q many times at Namm and at the factory I don;t know when they plan to reintroduce it I suspect at the January Namm show |
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Location: SoCal | Al, I bow to your superior knowledge. I only know what I've seen in catalogs and learned talking to people. I suspect that you are talking to people at the factory and have attended a few more shows than me. |
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| Deep non-cutaway for that real good sound. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | The demiola model has always been deep bowl..If they stop production of the deep bowl im sure they would have to drop to mid bowl if there are no deep bowls available..I dont think it matters all that much to Al..When he plays ovation he uses his early original deep bowl sunburst and black custom legends..I say when he uses ovation because he uses other guitars on stage and sometimes never brings out his ovations... |
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Location: Australia | The deep bowl is still avaliable, I just custom ordered a guitar with one.
Guitar Man I'm with you, deep bowl and non cutaway is the way to go, it's all I want in Ovation (including my special order). |
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Location: Scotland | I would defy anyone to tell the difference between a deepbowl cutaway & a deepbowl non-cutaway in a blindfold test. There is so little air-volume lost plus the upper bout area of the soundboard is extermely rigid & contributes little, to make cutaway vs non-cutaway a matter of practicality rather than sound, it's a non-issue.
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Location: Australia | I never said I thought a non cutaway sounded better.
Simply that's what I prefer, what I've always played and am used to.
Paul, it's no big deal, don't stress. |
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Location: SoCal | I don't think Paul T. stresses about much except maybe British royalty. He's way too busy making damn fine music to stress. |
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Location: Scotland | MoodyPI, thank you, I'm humbled.
Maybe the Royals are the answer, I could lobby Parliament to force Liz & her minions to subsidise the guitar industry, it's our money in the first place. Oh no!!!! I feel a rant coming on..........
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Paul, i bet i could tell the difference between a non cut and a cutaway everytime in a blindfolt test.All i would have to do is reach down and feel for the cutaway with my hand while testing it. ;) :D Sorry, i just had to do that! |
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| I'd venture to guess that every person posting here could tell the difference in a blindfold test between a deep bowl non-cutaway and a mid depth cutaway. That, I believe, is why the Q wasn't released. They decided to reconfigure it in a mid depth cutaway version instead of the original deep non-cutaway and it took considerable engineering work to match the sound characateristics. For the record, Al DiMeola's model is a deep cutaway. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The Q wasn't released because the necks kept warping on their own and needed a better way to keep them straight. It would have been a big warentee problem and THAT wouldn't pass the billfold test. |
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Deep Bowls Rule!