Mid Bowl or Shallow?
asb4God
Posted 2002-07-26 7:36 PM (#219806)
Subject: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Hey there. What are the big differences between a Mid Bowl and a Shallow? What are the sound differences when acoustic vs. electrified? I'm looking at a Celebrity Deluxe and I'm wondering which way to go.

Thanks a bunch! God bless,
Scott
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alpep
Posted 2002-07-26 8:59 PM (#219807 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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if you want a good acoutic sound you should go with the mid if you are mainly useing it for electric and don;t play acousitcally too often go with that shallow.
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Rich
Posted 2002-07-27 1:28 AM (#219808 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Just curious to know if there's any difference in the quality of sound (plugged or unplugged) between a Celebrity Deluxe CC-057 and a Celebrity Deluxe CS-257?? Both are Korean made, and have spruce tops and shallow bowls... However, one has the large center singular soundhole(cc-057) and the other has the Adamas style multiple soundholes(CS-257). Any opinions would be greatly appreciated, thanks :)

[ July 27, 2002: Message edited by: Rich ]
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alpep
Posted 2002-07-27 4:56 AM (#219809 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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IMHO there is a difference between the guitars and the placement of sound holes. It is distinct especially when playing acoustically. best is to bring a friend have then sit opposite of you and play the guitar while you listen. let your ears decide which is best to you.

Miles bought a 2001 redwood top. He prefers center sound hole acoustic guitars. when we did a side by side comparision he bought the other.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-07-27 3:49 PM (#219810 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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That is absolutely the best test Al. In this case it was a test of "leafs" or "hole." Both guitars sounded great to play, different but only subtle different... So any time I get into that situation... just have someone sit a few feet in front of me with each and strum and pick a little on each. I would assume the mid-bowl will project more than the shallow... and be richer sounding.. Please do the test and let us know the result.
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ringo
Posted 2002-07-31 5:33 PM (#219811 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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I agree with the thought that if you are mainly playing thru an amp the shallow will work fine, But I personally bring my guitar everywhere and do not lug an amp around, the shallow sounds real weak without an amp, the mid depth projects much better, I have the Celebrity Deluxe 247 and love it. As always only you can tell what you need or want.......
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beantown
Posted 2002-08-03 9:20 PM (#219812 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Miles,
I own a 1868 Elite and have a question for you. Doesn't the gauge of the strings help or hurt how the shallow bodies project sound. I was wondering what some of the resident experts suggest as far as strings for my Elite.
Thanks as always,
Shane
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-08-03 9:52 PM (#219813 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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String gauge does effect the projection of any guitar, and I think there are some folks more qualified than me to make some suggestions. I like to use 9's cause I can use the same approximate gauge on my solid-bodies and acoustics... But that's just my preference. I have a guy that comes to my studio who doesn't feel comfortable on anything less that 12's.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2002-08-04 7:43 AM (#219814 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Remember that the whole point of super-shallow guitars is that they are intended primarily for plugged-in use, the reduced body size is to make the guitar more comfortable onstage & minimise feedback, but in turn it also minimises acoustic tone, volume & projection. Heavier strings on your super-shallow Elite will improve those areas but it will never have the acoustic performance of a full-bodied guitar & nor is it supposed to.

Paul

[ August 04, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Templeman ]
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alpep
Posted 2002-08-04 10:02 AM (#219815 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
[it will never have the acoustic performance of a full-bodied guitar & nor is it supposed to.

Paul

[ August 04, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Templeman ][/QB]


amen
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paults
Posted 2002-08-05 1:39 PM (#219816 - in reply to #219806)
Subject: Re: Mid Bowl or Shallow?


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Another good use for the shallow-bodied guitars is to record higher inversion guitar parts on one - the difference in bass resonse lets the parts "sparkle" in the mix.
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