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Location: Pennsylvania | My elite special didn't sell, guys! I'm in $700 debt and I'm trying to sell it again! If you know anyone who might be interested, please let them know about it for me! Thanks so much!
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Location: SoCal | I'm probably butting in where I don't belong, but if I was selling your guitar, I'd start the bidding at a buck and put a reserve on it where you need to sell it. Put it on a 10 day auction and see what people are willing to spend on it. Starting the auction at $650 is intimidating for everybody except the one who really wants it.
There's a beautiful blue Legend 12 string that's been up about 5 times. The seller always asks for a high opening bid. If he can snag that one buyer then he's ok. But the way to generate interest (imho) is to start low and let the bidding take the price up.
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Location: Central Oregon | I agree with Paul, lower your starting bid.
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Location: Atlantic City, NJ USA | More and bigger pictures & close-ups of features.
I've considered making a living by buying guitars
on eBay, that have bad pictures. Then taking good
pictures and putting them right back on auction.
People buy with their eyes.
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Location: Pennsylvania | Thanks guys! All the suggestions were much appreciated! I have limited-to-none access to a digital camera, but I'm going to try to get some pictures of the actual guitar, and I'm going to lower the price as well! Thanks! |
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Location: NJ | Snow;
You JUST bought this guitar NEW, and then you you bought the "T", right??
Is it at ALL possible that you could RETURN the Elite from whence you purchased it??
Was it a reputable dealer with some kind of return policy?
Even a "store credit" might garner more equity than eBay will offer. |
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Location: Pennsylvania | Hey, Cliff! Yeah, I bought the guitar from an official dealer (in NY), but I bought it on a "90 days, same as cash" deal (payed it off in about 10 days), and therefore there are no returns.
Then I bought the elite t while the elite special was being shipped down here in its kaman box. So I never played it nor took the foam wrap off from it. (It was played in the store, but still, it's by all means brand new)...
I bought the elite special for $815, no case and the elite t for about $675 with a case, so I only need about $600 to break even.
If it doesn't sell this time, I'll probably take it to a dealer and maybe trade it in on a half stack or acoustic amp or something, but I really wouldn't mind to sell it!
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Location: Pennsylvania | No, I never registered it. The papers are still attached to the neck.
I never touched the guitar--its still bagged up in some foam/plastic stuff.
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Location: NJ | Stand out in front of Guitar Center in a raincoat and go: "pssssst!!!....ay, buddy...wanna buy an Ovation?....". |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Hi,
I think you can get what you are asking on eBay. Like was stated earlier... start bidding at $1.00 or maybe $10.00. Set the reserve at the price you want to sell at.. I know it seems silly, but when folks start bidding, they end up driving the price higher sometimes than you will even think. It's the "bidding frenzy".. "I need to win" mentality. I have done this from both sides... as the seller and unfortunarly as a buyer... Although someone may get annoyed if you call it "new" as you are not a dealer...I'd say "Unplayed, still in factory packaging." That gets the point across. |
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Location: Pennsylvania | Thanks so much, everyone! It's so great to get all these second opinions! |
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Location: Boston MA | I agree with Mr Ovation set the reserve at 700 and start at 10 and say still in factory box ect.... Im not a betting man but I think you will get it!!! people will start to bidd and nere the last few hours you will get a lot action give it a try. Brian |
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Location: SoCal | Everybody here is correct about the frenzy of bidding. I ended up spending $640 on a 1983 Country Artist cutaway that I could have had on a $400 buy it now. Damn. Of course, looking at that guitar now and realizing how much I play it, it was still a bargin. |
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Location: Pennsylvania | You guys rule, you know...
I've got three bids so far, the guitar is up to 103.51.
On a whim of thinking I'd never sell it, I set the reserve at 600, so now I cant change it. Thats okay, though--I'll be happy to get that much! That way I break even, and can play my elite t (which I love) without feeling in debt! |
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Location: Pennsylvania | Look how this guy got a bid on his Ovation. It made me smile...
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This talk of buying and selling guitars has made me think I ought to tell this story.
My wife is on jury duty in the county court (this is the truth), I dropped her off yesterday, and made an illegal turn as I left the courthouse. I was immediately surrounded by 6 sheriff's patrol cars, ordered out of my car with a bullhorn, and given the required televised beating to show lack of bias (I'm not a minority). I was arraigned and demanded a jury trial, as my wife, I was sure, would save my butt. I was given a lady public defender, and sent to the court where the judge was a lady, and the prosecutor was of the gentler sex. I smiled the smile that had snared my wife, and noted that she was sending a note to the judge. Then it hit me, ALL of these women, the judge and most of the jury, were wearing the shabby clothes and long suffering expressions of wives whose husbands spend their income on hobbies such as MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS, fast cars, etc. forcing them to work to pay the bills. The judge called all except me to the bench for a conference, my public defender returned and spit on me, and the jury made signs of the noose. I was immediately convicted of public degeneration, the sheriff was sent to my house to confiscate all musical paraphinalia to be auctioned on the steps of the courthouse, with the proceeds going to my wife's QVC account.
The high bidders were the judge's husband, the prosecuter's boyfriend, my defender's live-in, and 11 of the juror's companion's of whatever sort. I expect to see all the equipment on Ebay shortly at highly discounted prices. The price of justice is vigilance. (please don't overbid me on my stuff)
Bailey (registered impulsive buyer offender)
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Thanks Brian
My court appointed probation officer (my wife), has me connected to a lie detector that just started dinging and beeping again when I logged on. Dear, I really don't want an Ovation 12 string (ding-beep-ding-beep), Ebay is a distant memory (beep-ding-beep-ding). I am cured of this compulsive musical instrument thing and will never tell another tall tale. (zzzzzt-poing-clak-clak- shhhhhhhhh-flop-flop-flop) I think it stopped working when the chart caught on fire. |
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Location: Pensacola,FL | Bailey, those are some tall tales. I'll bet
those BG jam sessions are beginning to take their toll ;) I recently received a picture from a friend who said he saw a strange mando player at a jam, is this you?
:D :D :D :D
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Bailey, copy the link and paste it into your browser to see the picture
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Location: Pennsylvania | Nice story, Bailey. Where does this story telling gift come from--writing songs? If so, I'd like to here a few of these maniacal tunes... ;)
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(Update on my guitar that's for sale: 10 bids so far--thanks a lot guys! It's at a standstill right now, but with a couple more bidders involved, I think it'll be well on its way to the reserve! Thanks for all your help!) |
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The BG jams have taken their toll it's true and I am probably the weird mando player , OGL1, unfortunately the link didn't work, but I leave it to you make a song or songs from these true life experiences I have related to you. I just live this life, as I'm sure you all do also, and I try to tell the truth that most people avoid, because I'm retired, I don't have to dance to some employer's idea of a proper life style. Snowlock, I'll give you a song writing hint, Red River Valley, Great Speckled Bird, I Didn't Know God Made Honky Tonk Angels, It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels, and a few other country classics share the same melody, so a good story will hide an overworked melody.
Last night I went to a jam session with my son and my grandson (a paratrooper at Ft Bragg on leave). My grandson was cranking his gothic Explorer through his Van Halen signiture Peavey amp, my son was pumping his modified strat through his 40 watt pignose tube amp with Russian tubes, and I was there with my Viper (which blew them away, of course} and then I plugged in my bb jr mandolin which, really sounded good and thats probably where I became the weird Mandolin player.
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Location: Boston MA | That Jam must have been a blast wish I could have been there!! Having people in your family that play must be great. Have to to by my self but that is a lot of fun for me, have not got my Ovation 1778T it is now on back order well any way... Brian. How does your son like the pignose amp IM tkinking of geting the g40v from musiciansfriend for 199....
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My grandson bought it for him and he loves it. I was impressed with it, it has presence and volume that is unbelievable for a small amp. I always advise trying anything before you buy, $199 is the price it cost them. I would buy one if I could afford it.
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Location: Tennessee | Hey Brian ... I don't mean to butt in, but I've heard some real mixed reviews about the Pignose G40 and G60 amps. They are made in China and the quality is not that great. Plus, they are fixed biased ... which I understand poses a big problem when you need to replace the tubes (which come from Russia and getting identical replacements might be a big challenge). My knowledgable friends tell me that it is basically a throwaway amp ... once you've cooked the tubes you need to buy a new amp.
For what its worth, you can pick up a really nice Fender Champ 12 on ebay for under $250 bucks ... the 12 has the distortion channel in addition to the clean classic Fender channel. And it'll last a lifetime.
I've heard the Pignose, and it's a great sounding little amp ... I almost bought one, but was warned off by my buddies who are tube amp enthusiasts. Maybe they're just Class A snobs, but ... they also live and breathe this stuff.
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Location: Boston MA | Stonebobbo and Bailey Thanks info was very helpfull. 2 cents is all ways wanted!!! I was all so looking at the fender blues JR can you replace the tubes on that one? I LOVE THIS SITE YOU ARE ALL A GREAT HELP!!!!! Brian |
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Location: Scotland | Tube bias is a fairly sophisticated area, it's also another topic bandied about as tube voodoo by those allegedly "in the know" Bias controls the way tubes "idle" and correct bias will mean the tubes will last longer & probably sound better, note the proviso "probably" you may like the way a wrongly biased amp behaves. But just because an amp can't be rebiased doesn't mean it has to be junked. Some of the Chinese, Slavic & Russian output tubes are so cheap you can buy a dozen for the cost of a couple of "matched" name-brand tubes (more Voodoo, they buy them from the Eastern-bloc, "match" them, stick on a fancy logo & charge a premium price )You can then swap 'em around till you get what you're listening for, & still have a bunch of spares left over.
The Fender Blues Jr & Pro Jr are also fixed bias amps. Fixed bias actually means the amps are designed to "tolerate" most output tubes of a certain type, it's hardly the purist's approach but it's the payoff for an affordable tube amp. I've had a Pro Jr in my studio for about 7 years, it's packed up a few times but has been easily & cheaply repaired, I've re-valved it(oops, Brit-speak. I meant replaced the tubes)
3 or 4 times, it sounds killer. As for Fender Champs the ones to have, which are still affordable, are the 70's single channel silver-face Vibro-Champs. Forget a distortion channel, just turn one of these suckers up to 10 & turn down the guitar volume for a clean tone, massive sounding amps, especially for recording distorted tones without huge volume.
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Location: Boston MA | So does that mean that Fender blues JRs tubes can be replaced with a differnt kind of tube other than what it comes with to change the sound. Or should you replace them with org... Thanks for the info. Brian
[where do you get the tubes Russian or not]
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Location: Scotland | The Blues Jr uses 2 12AX7 tubes in the preamp &, unusually for a US Amp, 2 EL84's in the output stage, I think the US code for the EL84 is 6BQ5, but I may be wrong about that. You need to replace the tubes with these only. The amp will be happy with just about any tubes of this type, Russian, Chinese, Slavic, whatever, your ears should tell you anything else. In my experience Chinese 12AX7's sound very thin & have a tendency to be noisy and/or microphonic. The Russian tubes are generaly fine. Sovtek & Svetlana are brands that I've found to be consistent, sound good and are reasonably priced. You should be able to find these easily but if not this UK company will export. Their prices are good & they also have a lot of esoteric tubes & new old-stock classics.
http://www.watfordvalves.com/mainindex.htm
or in the USA
http://www.vacuumtube.com/tubes.htm
Try a google search on Svetlana or Sovtek
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I have to disagree with you. The chinese 12ax7 tubes are better than the russian ones. In fact since they shut down their factory they have been demanding stupid high prices. I prefer NOS USA or European tubes but in the occasion I had to use russian power tubes I went with the svetlana which can handle high plate voltages such as an ampeg svt.
IMHO NOTHING can match the old telefunken 12ax7 tubes I rob them out of old hi fi sets and put them in all my amps but they are not for everyone and even though they are sometimes 40 years old I have never pulled one that was dead.
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Location: Scotland | Al, I use nothing but new old-stock British Mullard, Phillips & GEC valves in my own amps & am fortunate enought to have a small stockpile which should last the rest of my playing life, which is just as well, the prices of new old-stock tubes are getting silly. None of the current Eastern-bloc tubes can compare with USA or UK produced versions but Svetlana come the closest. Sovtek are fantastic value. Cheap tubes tend to be inconsistent and I have always had better results with Russian or Slavic preamp tubes than Chinese. Chinese output tubes are fine for the dough and it's unlikely that anyone buying an entry-level amp would want to spend more than the cost of the amp re-tubing with NOS tubes
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Location: NJ | Paul I have Genelex kt 88's in my Harmom Kardon citation II amp and my Paragon has mullard 12ax7'so no complaints from me. I just got back into tube hi fi a few years ago and never looked back. I just hope those kt 88's last me forever because I don't know how I would ever replace them |
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Location: Scotland | Al, Watford Valves have NOS GEC KT88's in stock, but they're not cheap. They also have some new-prodution equivalents. They recommend the Svetlana version quite highly
www.watfordvalves.com
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Location: Boston MA | ALL this talk of tubes has just made me get a new amp for my US STRAT just had to have the Fender blues jr. Got it new from Daddys junky mucic in the great city of Boston the store is right across the street fro Berkliy school of music all kinds of mucians all over! Jump on the subway two trains later and IM there. Home on the subway now that was fun!! Any way going to open the box so thanks for the info :D
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | What a GREAT discussion of tube amps, I want one. To answer the criticism of the Pignose, my son has already replaced the tubes with military spec Russian tubes, so obviously it is not an amp where the tubes can't be replaced. It has one of the toughest speakers I've ever seen and sounds awesome, we all love gossip but we shouldn't knock equipment that we haven't played or heard. If gossip is the criteria, maybe we should all junk our Ovation stuff because the Fender and Gibson players don't love them. Technically, we should speak of what we know from experience, not what we have heard in the gossip mill, a lot of gossip has a commercial source, because destroying a competitor might cause success in the dog eat dog world of instrument sales.
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Location: Boston MA | Just love my new tube amp! Have a pickup for my acustic and it sounds great better with my strat,the new Ovation Elite will sound great IM sure. My reason for the Fender over the pignose was for the Fender name had a feeling that the pignose tubes could be replaced. Had to have the fender I guess. Any way when at the store I played the new Tangant did not like it. Has any one seen or tryed this one? BRIAN |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Glad to hear you like your Fender Jr., sounds like we have a choice here in tube amps. I've heard that it is a super good tube amp at a pretty reasonable cost. I don't think anybody has mentioned, for the record, that there aren't any US made tubes (valves) anymore, that's why we are talking Chinese, Russian etc.. Sometimes the farther ahead we get the more we fall behind. (I almost typed "the more behind we get" until I realized that anyone who is logging on from a penitentiary might take that wrong and lie in wait for any of us who might end up in the slammer.
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Location: Pennsylvania | The guitar didn't sell again! It got up to 406.00, and didn't get any last minute bids. Sigh.
I'm still in debt and cant afford to keep listing it.
I guess I'll have to trade it somewhere on something worthwhile. My brother's into acoustic and really wants an ovation (he's real good but only has an old epi), so maybe I can trade it on a guitar for him.
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My Elite didn't sell--I'm so in debt!