Breadwinner Feedback
Evilpete
Posted 2002-09-05 4:28 AM (#218425)
Subject: Breadwinner Feedback


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Hi,
I got an old and worn breadwinner that I like very much. But when playing it at full volume and both mic on the is a tiny, ghostly and annoying feedback sound. Does anyone know something of how to fix this? I really would like to keep playing my Breadwinner. My local guitardealer could not help me repair it, but then again, the Ovation solidbodys are quite rare and unknown in Sweden.

Peter
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2002-09-05 5:08 AM (#218426 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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Difficult to diagnose without hearing the problem. As it only happens when both pickups are on try adjusting the phase relationship between the pickups. Look inside the battery compartment and you should see 2 miniature trim-pots on the PCB. One of these adjusts the output of (I think) the neck pick, the other ajusts the phase relationship when both pickups are on. The pick up mix of the Bwinner is out of phase as standard. Also make sure both batteries are good. The biggest source of problems in any Ovation preamp is duff batteries.

Paul

[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Templeman ]
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alpep
Posted 2002-09-05 5:56 AM (#218427 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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I just don't get it I spent countless hours trying to MAKE my guitars feedback.
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Evilpete
Posted 2002-09-05 7:49 AM (#218428 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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Well, my "feedback" is not really a feedback but a ghostly, howling noice that is probably unhealthy for the audience when playing with my marshall. I will try adjusting the phase and balance of the pickups, but I believe that I've tried that once. The batteries are also new. But thanks anyway for the input!

Peter
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Evilpete
Posted 2002-09-05 7:53 AM (#218429 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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Also, I'm thinking about buyin a new guitar with a more heavier sound than the "boogie-breadwinner". I like Ovation guitars and they are not too expensive so maybe the UKII is a good choice. Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about that guitar?
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2002-09-05 11:41 AM (#218430 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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To my ear the Breadwinners & Deacons are great at clean to medium-gain tones & suck at heavily distorted stuff. The UK11 pickups are great, they are low noise & high output & the series/parrallel switches make it a very versatile guitar.

Paul
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2002-09-05 5:02 PM (#218431 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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Sounds like an impedance mis-match. I used to get that when I ran multiple pedals sometimes. Rather annoying. Could also be a component in the pre-amp going or gone. New batteries I assume? The newer thumbsucker pickups are less than desireable for anything but a clean sound (which kinda defeats the purpose...) Never had a problem with the older pickups... which by the way work fine without the preamp.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2002-09-05 6:10 PM (#218432 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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Miles, The later pickups also work perfectly without the circuitry. I think it's the preamp rather than the pickups which make the BW's & Deacons crap at heavier sounds. I have a Preacher as my main slide guitar & use a lot of distortion to get my tone, it works fine. The Preacher pickups are the same as in the BW's & D's. I'm now also using a Breadwinner with the pre removed as a back-up & that works great also. The main point of the BW pre-amp was to eliminate impedance mismatches, so you could be right about component failure.

[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Paul Templeman ]
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musicamex
Posted 2002-09-06 3:38 PM (#218433 - in reply to #218425)
Subject: Re: Breadwinner Feedback


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the ukII is a great guitar. it is my electric of choice for gigging as it is versatile and sounds great. nice wide neck and well made. there are lots of posts regarding this guitar. type ukII into search at the top of this page.
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