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Location: The Shop | I just got done reading the post on deep bowls, and i can see where you guys are coming from, but you have to remember that Ovation Instruments is still in the business of making money while trying to meet the demands of All the different types of players out there. While the deep bowl might be the preference for you all, you would have to buy a hell of alot of guitars to keep us open.It would be great to build exactly what you all want, but I dont think that the 800+ members of this club could keep Ovation in buisness.
If you still want the deep bowl, order it special.I would think that we could get it to you quicker than 6 months. |
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I agree with you 100 % in fact I mostly read of members buying old guitars on e bay for cheap dollars here.
The deep bowl has ultimately the best acoustic sound but Ovation has to sell to the buying public and if they are going for shallow then so be it.
I think Ovation is making some great guitars right now. I don;t know how many of them are getting into the hands of the message board members. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I have to agree also. I "thought" deep was the only way to get rich sound, but I have been proven wrong a few times. I really like the sounds of the Elite-T, and my 2001 Collectors. I was also under the impression that shallow was ONLY good for recording as it would have no tone.... Well Al was in the studio a few weeks ago with a Shallow 12-String. I believe Al actually looked at the guitar once to make sure it really was a shallow bowl becasuse it sounded especially BIG. We were both surprised.
As more annoying proof of the power of the shallow bowl, I had set up my tube condensor mic in the room so Al could talk to me (we were going to do vocals later anyway). I had to double check the board a couple of times because it was not easily distinguishable which signal was the direct and which was the room without isolating them. That was IMPRESSIVE to say the least.
I think with the newer technology, and materials as Ovation moves along, the mid bowls at least have almost matched some of the deep bowls in tone. I don't think I would want an older mid or shallow bowl, but I have no problem with the new ones. |
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Location: SoCal | I think what Al and Miles have posted may be true. Except I have no way of knowing because I very rarely see anything in music stores except Celebritys and the occassional used older Ovation. I have yet to see an Elite T anywhere.
I have played one Balladeer Special with new strings and thought it was a great guitar. But most of the ones I have seen (along with the Elite Specials) have strings that are deader than doornails (where does that expression come from?) and I therefore have no idea what they sound like.
What kind of strings does Ovation ship on their guitars? If for no other reason but the keep them sounding good, longer, in music stores, they need to put a coated string on them. |
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Location: NJ | Miles
shallow bowl Adamas II 12 string and that guitar never ceases to amaze me acoustically or plugged in.
I grabbed the guitar off the pile to do the 12 string overdub not even thinking about what it was or anything and man we were both knocked out by the sound. |
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Location: Scotland | Hey, I've put my money where my mouth is and custom ordered a deepbowl guitar, I should have it in a few months, I'll let you know. I agree with Miles about the current midbowls, they are fantastic sounding guitars, my midbowl SMT kills my '72 deepbowl Legend & holds it's own with my '78 Adamas, having said that I think it's a shame not to have a production deepbowl for the people who need, or think they need that sound. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | I remember when my brother got a 1984 collectors series Ovation. He didn't keep it long, and I didn't want it either. I know I am biased with my Adamas, but those shallow bowl guitars sould terrible to me. Being that you have to "special order" a deep bowl Ovation is something I really can't imagine. As I have said before, it is an acoustic guitar first. When I first played an Ovation, it was a deep bowl Balladeer. I remember how even the guitar sounded. Plenty of bass, but an even sound throughout. Look there is no bigger Ovation fan than me, but like I said before if I was just starting out, there are not many Ovation models I would want. The thought of the Custom Legend only being offered as a shallow bowl, well I don't even want to think about that. Big sound equals DEEP BOWLS!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | I hope the new year brings me a new Ovation I've had my eye on. And it's a shallow bowl model. So I'll be one of the buying public getting one of the shallows - hey, I like the guitar and it's just what I need for performing (sometimes strictly acoustic and others going through a PA...) |
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| I have a 1988 Elite 1768. Is that a medium or deep bowl?
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Location: The Shop | You can still get a custom legend in a mid-depthbowl, which is only about a 1/2 inch smaller than the deep. the model is 1779 in a varity of colors.
When you all come out to the factory, you shoukd put your concerns or comments forth to Frank and or Darren.Who knows, maybe your dreams will come true. |
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Location: Great Falls, MT | Paul,
"...(where does that expression come from?)..."
If you hammer a nail through a piece of timber and then flatten the end over on the inside so it can't be removed again (a technique called clinching), the nail is said to be dead, because you can't use it again. Doornails would very probably have been subjected to this treatment to give extra strength in the years before screws were available. So they were dead because they'd been clinched. Thus, Dead as a Doornail was born.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Dave, even if that's total BS, job well done ! |
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| TO all in favor of the deep bowl Ovation, They still make a few production models with this bowl.
For Ex. 1769-AD5 Al Diemiola model. And the Adamas I line which are currently being re-issued are still on the deep bowl. They are high end models. And the price should not be a factor if you truly love the sound of them.In Fact the AD5 still is the only model with the A brace pattern.Remember all those models with the little metal Gussets in them ?
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Location: Scotland | What's the diference between the A braces you are referring to? |
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Al Dimeola in black |
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Location: Scotland | It's also an acoustic processor by Boss, which everyone with an electro-acoustic should own. Trust me.
http://proaudiomusic.com/misc/effects/boss/AD-5%20Acoustic%20guitar... |
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| Paul T
The A pattern has been changed over the last few years. Ovation brace mfg,is now done in house (at the factory in New Htfd.) they no longer have a T shape and have been re-configured. They no longer have a gussett. Some think that thuy sound better.The whole brace mfg.process has been re-tooled it is trully something to see.They are still called the A pattern .Al Diemola model has the Old style A. :cool: |
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