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Location: Frozen Tundra | sO, lets say I like the birds and top petty and that 12 string into a VOX kinda tone.
And lets say that I don't wanna buy a 12 string electric.
And lets say that I have a custom legend 12.
you guys get where I'm going?
can I just pop a magnetic in the sound hole and get close? and if so which one. |
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Location: Scotland | The unique thing about Rickenbacker 12-strings is they have the octave strings under the regular strings. Usually on a 12-string the Octaves are above, so they get struck with a pick first on a downstroke. Rick's sound a little different as a result. If you wanted to try this on your guitar you'd probably have to have a new nut made.
You'll never make an acoustic 12 sound like a Rick, but it'll still make a fine noise. Remember that if you use a magnetic pickup on an acoustic you;ll get better results with nickel rather than bronze strings. |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | I never knew that about the Rickenbachers! This Bulletin Board is always full of great info!
Sorry no help with the question...
Thanks! |
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Location: NJ | at least you can get your fat fingers around the ovation ricks are almost unplayable for me |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | USA B.C. Rich Bich 10-String. Can sound like anything you need it to sound like. |
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Location: Tennessee | I am lucky enough to be the owner of both a Custom Legend 12 and a Rickenbacker 360v64-12. Different guitars, different sounds. Paul T is bang on regarding the reverse stringing, which contributes a lot to the sound, and I totally agree with Al's fat fingers (seems mine are that way too). Read a very interesting piece on Roger McGuinn, in which he talked about the narrow neck requiring him to find new chording up the neck where he could actually play the chord without a lot of deadened strings. Hence, his unique sound came from that.
I have messed around with trying to get the Ricky sound from my CL12, but no luck ... the stringing, thinline maple body and top, 7.5 ohm toasters, and "blend" knob all conspire to make the Ricky sound virtually impossible on anything else (except maybe Miles' BC Rich).
On another note, has anyone here played the new Line6 guitar that you can supposedly dial-in the tone of lots of different guitars? Just curious. |
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Location: SoCal | Comparing acoustic 12 strings to electric 12 strings doesn't make a lot of sense.
I've got a Preacher Deluxe 12 string and can come very close to sounding like a Rick 12. But my guitar plays easier, and has a wider range of sounds. |
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Location: Scotland | Stone, A friend of mine has a Line6 Variax & I've borrowed it and had in in my studio for a few days. The sounds are about as accurate as the amplifier simulations on a Line6 POD or Guitar Port, which is not particularly accurate when compared side by side to the real thing, but that's kinda missing the point. Like the amp modellers the Variax manages to capture the character of the original, & in a mix I'd defy anybody to identify it as a digital model. Some models are better than others: the Strat, LP & Gretsch models are great, the Gretsch was so good I found the lack of a Bigsby to be a pain. The acoustic guitar models are mediocre but I'm VERY fussy about acoustic sounds. The banjo model is OK, the resonator is a bit crap and the 12-string simulations really suck. The actual Variax guitar is well made, if a little generic & characterless, but it is easy to use, all the models are accessible via 2 knobs and a 5-way switch. Bottom line: Amazing studio tool, not perfect, but very little is. I'm having one. |
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Location: Damascus, Syria | I have a Rick 660-12 and an '89 Ovation 1867 Legend. It's easier to make a Rick sound SORT OF like an acoustic with stompboxes, amp tone and palying style.
And after playing mine for two years with the Rick "reverse" stringing, playing my friend's Taylor 12's "normal" stringing feels like getting spider webs stuck on my hands when I contact those little octave strings first. If/When I get an acoustic 12 it will be re-strung Rick style, if it ain't a Rick acoustic 12 to begin with!
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ovation vs. RICK