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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Can anyone tell me the changes that occured over time in the bowls of Ovation guitars. I am interested in the dates and changes in construction materials. Thanks |
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Location: Scotland | In 2003 certain bowls acquired a blue sunburst finish. These sound like shit, especially if played by a transvestite. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Damn, Paul T, I didn't realize you were a transvestite. |
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Location: Scotland | Oh come on, is that your best shot? At least have an attempt at something genuinely humorous or interesting for once. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Oh Paul T, how I wish I could be like you. To come in here and go on and on and on to give us your Ovation wisdom. All I did was ask a question. Is it ok if I ask the question? Would you like for me to run it by you first to get your ok. I guess if I really tried I could be almost, and I mean almost as much of an asshole as you are. But thats ok, I think you have that down to a science. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | DANG!!! here we go again..... |
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Location: Scotland | I'll tell you what being an asshole is, you little shit. We have a community here, based on trust and a common interest, where people help each other & share things. I have made many friends here, some I've traded instruments or instrument parts with. Some I've played music with. Some have invited me into their homes to stay. Some I've gotten drunk with. Others have needed parts or advice & I've provided it because I want to & I was able. You yourself have emailed me with questions on several occasions which I took the time to answer as thoroughly and accurately as I know how. You posted in the sell/trade section of this board that you were looking for a catalog. I had one and sent it to you along with another I had spare. You asked how much I wanted. I told you "nothing, just send me the postage when you get them". Months later I'm still waiting. I ain't hurting for a few bucks but that illustrates perfectly what you do around here, which is take, take, take & contribute absolutely NOTHING of any worth. Now fuck off and leave me alone. |
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Location: SoCal | Fire in the hole! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I want to see Templeman and Hebert sing a duet at the next OFC Jam Session. Dave |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Paul T, I was unaware you did not get the 5 dollars for the catalogs you sent me. I sent that to you some time back. Oh so I am a what? You kill me. Pricks like you are a dime a dozen. Hey if you are proud of getting drunk with fan club members go ahead. You obviously have alot to be proud of. Oh wait, can you please go into one of your very boring speaches about spruce. Yes you are great on that topic. Lets see, how about.......well come to think of it I can't find a subject that you have not bored me to death on. You see Paul T, I asked a question about bowl designs. I would like to know about that. And maybe just maybe if you are not drunk you can answer my question. |
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Location: SoCal | I'm happy to drink with Temp. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Holy smokes! You were right Paul, I haven't been flamed. Anybody wanna discuss their "adjustable nuts"? :)
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Location: SoCal | How adjustible is adjustible, or you just talking re-arrangeable? |
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Location: Central Oregon | Not only re-arrangable, but chromatically exchangeable!
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Location: Scotland | PH, Which part of "fuck off and leave me alone" are you incapable of understanding?
You have so little to offer in any discussion or debate that all you can do is launch into personal abuse, as you have done on numerous occasions in the past. Pathetic.
But, you can't even be consistent while you're being abusive as it would seem that I've only started boring you recently....
"Paul T, as always thanks for the good information....Paul Hebert" - posted July 10th 2003
Hebert, if you could have been bothered to use the search function you would have found that Bill covered this in some depth in March 2002. Hope you don't find it too boring
"In the beginning.......
There were two layers of fiberglass cloth that had a perscribed amount of resign poured on it in a heated press
And it was called lyrachord
And in 1974 there was the coming of the applause. And its bowl was made in a compression heated mould from a mixture of polyester resign and chopped glass fibres
And it was called SMC
but the New hartford Ovations stayed with the cloth
In 1982 there was an experiment of making guitars in North Carolina and all the bowls were made there from the SMC
And in 1985 the experiment ended and all the bowls went to Astabula Ohio. Reifnements were made in the material
And it was called HMC
And that's where it is today
Now as a further note the cloth bowls were about 35%glass when all was said and done. The SMC(sheet molding compound)is a layer of resign that looks like taffy and had 1" chopped fibers inbedded in it. Those bowls are also about 35% glass. The HMC is made with fibers 1.5" long and are also the same percentage. We found that the longer fibers sounded better, more like the cloth bowls that were a PITA to make. Material costs werren't a real factor but mfg and scrap rates were. HMC was better on both.
There was a phase over from cloth the SMC/HMC. The Adamas 2 were all SMC from the beginning. the Adamas 1 was the last to switch from cloth.
All things being equal the cloth probably sounds better. But things are never equal are they? The finish, top thickness, grain, brace patterns, neck material, how it's joined to the bowl, type of rosette, bridge material all affect the sound.
So Sam I've heard cloth bowls that were last in the bow-wow 500 and HMCs that were in the top 10.
There you have it." |
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Location: UK | What about the one I found in a shop called Sounds City (I think that was its name, somewhere along the Charing Cross Road) in about 1971 which had a round wooden back - sorta striped - made out of strips of contrasting wood?
The sales assistant said it was a special, like a Josh White or something (note, not a Josh White but as if it was an endorsed model like a Josh White).
I've often wondered if I dreamed the whole thing. It was a long time ago..... |
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Location: Scotland | Could have been a K.Yairi, they did a wooden roundback but I'm pretty sure it was introduced much later than '71. My best guess it would have been by a Brit luthier, several dabbled in lute-style construction wooden roundbacks including Nigel Thornbury & Melvyn (Mervyn?) Hiscox. Ovation employees have made some wooden roundbacks but the company hasn't officially produced any as far as I'm aware. |
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Location: UK | Paul
I'm certain it was an Ovation.
The reason is a bit longwinded and you can skip over this unless you want to wallow in nostalgia with me.
You probably remember the time when the guitar shops in London stretched all the way from Denmark Street down most of Charing Cross Road. I mean, you could easily spend a day or more shopping for guitars!
I must have been about sixteen going on seventeen, which is the summer of '71. I'd made a ton of money selling ice cream on the beaches of a resort called Hayling Island on the south coast. My dad, who was quite supportive of my musical efforts promissed that if I put up half the money he would make up the rest to buy me a Gibson or similar acoustic.
Just about that time Ovation seemed to appear in the shops - they were probably on sale before in the UK but in the provinces where I lived we got things a bit later. Anyway, I instantly fell for the Balladeer but my father was dead against buying a "plastic" guitar, gawd bless 'im.
So, given his prejudices finding an Ovation with a "wooden" back in that shop was almost a half-way house. However, I also recall that it was out of my price range and also I think I had a natural affinity for a proper roundback and not a custom wooden jobbie. In the end, through a mate of a mate, I found someone who was selling second-hand a late 60s J45 for £100 and bought my first ever US made guitar (retiring my Eko Ranger 6 forever).
Of course, now that I can make my own financial decisions I've got two great Ovations - and I've got a hankering for an Elite or Legend 12 string, so I'm sorta making up for lost time!
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Location: NJ | Paul and Paul
Although entertaining in a somewhat perverse sort of manner. Please refrain from the wholesale use of obsenity and personal attacks.
PH I understand your quest for knowledge.
PT I understand your frustration. |
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Homer Simpson or Whitney Houston |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar" / FZ |
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Location: SoCal | Michael, that's why I no longer do criminal investigation. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | No matter how you feel about other members this type of exchange makes me wonder why I should come back to this board. Some excellent information and exchanges here, but this type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated by this board.
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Location: SoCal | Do you mean my explaining why I won't do criminal investigations? |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Holy Shit
Ashtabula Ohio, where Chevy Corvettes were made since 1953, my brother was involved with developing Corvette fiberglass bodies in the 50's.
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Location: Palm Desert, CA | Steve,
My take on your comment is that it's cool to get a little crazy and stupid every now and then. You need a little release with what my wife calls "musician humor." |
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| This thread does resemble the type of give and take I see on electric guitar boards. |
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Location: SoCal | Are you trying to tell us that this thread is very tame and boring? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | What you may find about this board is that there is a very diverse crowd. Currently there is this odd thread, a deep discussion about this country's education system, some tips on different restoraation projects, some research on the bowl styles of Ovations and thoughts on marketing just to mention a few.
I hope you stick around. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Miles
You forgot to mention nostalgia. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | That too... I was just making a short list. |
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Location: Seattle | This thread is like a good movie. Drama, comedy and open to a sequel.
I have no problem w/ a genuine catharsis every now and then, or as you guys refer to " a nut adjustment". Get's the blood flowing.
Long Live Ovation
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Diplomacy: Telling someone to go to Hell, in a way they will enjoy the trip. ALL ABOARD!! |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Did I say nostalgia, I meant analgesia. |
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Location: Netherlands | Pheoow,
I was away for a few days and missed some very entertaining threads I see. Glad all is still there...
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Bowl changes over time