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Location: Las Cruces, NM | I just came from garageband and they are doing what we have talked about. I just reviewed two songs, (you have to review songs to participate) It is a great site and very much in accordance with what we have discussed. For great fun, log on and review music, you will never find a site that is so close to our beliefs.
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Location: Netherlands | Have you also been to www.mp3.com and www.vitaminic.co.uk
They are much alike. Worth a visit as well.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | And don't forget the first..
IUMA
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SongRamp
and now we see another problem emerging, but it's getting better...... | |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Miles and Martin
I didn't spend a lot of time on those sites, but they appear to be as good or better. I am touting sites where a musician can play his/hers music not where you can download bands who have already made it. I have heard some great songs and talent on garageband.com, and believe this is the future. Somehow we are going to have to harness it and make it work. Come on, Ovationists, put your talent to work and figure out how we can make the internet the source of new music. Vinyl is dead, CDs are dead, THE NET LIVES! | |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Bailey, what is the definition of "made it."
I'm not being sarcastic, I just hear this phrase a lot and wonder what it really means. What I'm going after is I believe the definition of "making it" in the music biz is changing.
If a band gets a record contract with a big record company, gets paid, but the album never sells, maybe never even got released, did the band "make it?"
If a band sells 10,000 of their own records at shows and on the Internet, did they "make it?"
What about all the bands that tour, pay the bills and just enjoy making music for a living and never record a thing....
The only problem with most of these sites is you still have to do the work of downloading the songs to listen, and frankly I have no patience for that. If I'm in the mood for music, I want it to be something I want to listen to.
But getting back to my original point... I think the definition of what constitutes a successful band is changing. I see "record sales" going away as the judge for success. In a way, although they still use it as a measure, it is a false measure.
Here is another cool link for Internet download sites...BillBoard Internet charts. | |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I Just Had to Laugh (pun intended)
Apple vs. Apple 2003-08-14 09:23:09
It looks like a bit of a rough road for Apple (Computer) as they continue their surge forward into the music industry with our favorite device, the wildly successful iPod, and the iTunes Music Store. It seems they have yet again raised the ire of Apple (Records), the Beatle's label, as this edging into the music industry that Apple (Computer) is doing may be in violation of an early-80's agreement between the two companies which stated that Apple (Computer) would not create products that could be considered particularly music-related. (It is because of this agreement that, while Apple computers today have audio support, none since the mid-80's have contained true music synthesizer hardware.) Have a look at this DotMusic.com article for more info.
At least, one thing the two companies do seem to see eye to eye on is the effective use of their internal legal departments. | |
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Location: Netherlands | Hopefully the day will come that music is judged by musicianship again, not by legal and financial standards.
I tell myself that would give me at least a glimpse of hope to make "it". Whatever "it" is...
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I guess this brings up back to what is "making it?"
I think that is a very personal question, that can only be answered by each artist. I have never had a record deal as a musician, and I've never toured. I'm not sure I ever wanted to. However, I feel I have a very successful music career and it continues. I record music, only music I enjoy playing or artists I enjoy listening too. I have little desire to perform as such. I have NO desire to have a record contract from some big label, but I will probably find a distributer for my CD when it's complete. I don't really care if it sells, although that would be nice, but sence of accomplishement of finishing it after all these years means more. I guess I am a little jaded, because as stated, big record companies have little to do with the artist and more to do with promotion. A Machine like Briney Spears exists long before they find "the" Britney Spears to use as a front person. If I got a record contract, I know it would be because my music fit into a mold or marketing campaign they were looking for, and I answered the phone. That may not be totally true, but it is how I would feel and always question it.
I wonder if late at night folks that "put into the spotlight" as the next big star, ever sit back and wonder if it is really their talent, or did the 3.2 million dollar marketing campain have anything to do with it.
After typing all of this, I remembered the first time I felt success as a musician. It was in the mid 80's and while at the Annapolis Mall a kid I remembered from a show my band recently did in Annapolis walked up and said hello. I asked what he was listening to in his Walkman. It was my band, a tape he made at that show. I thought that was damn cool, and probably the only truly honest review I could get. He wasn't forced to listen, he came, he saw, he was interested. Would I feel the same if I heard that song on the radio... I doubt it. Not today anyway. Stations buy play lists, that are designed by Record Companies to promote sales where needed, in markets etc.. etc.. etc..
So what are all of your definitions of "making it." I think there are some very successful musicians here on the board, that to some extent I envy because I do not have the background or drive to do what they do. But I wonder if "THEY" think they are successful or have "made it." I wonder if I'm thinking of the same people you are? | |
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As a person who has played for many years with no thought of the music being more than a fun thing, but also wanting it to be the best each time we played, I endorse your idea of "making it". What I referred to in my post was the theft of popular music that had been recorded and promoted and sold in music stores. Then posted and stolen on the internet. I have no love for those bands and I prefer your definition of "making it", but some sites have no use for our definition, they are "selling" pop music for profit, not trying to help unknown bands and musicians. Music industry is not to far removed from the old railroad barons in it's structure, but we can still play in bars and picnics without becoming "stars".
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think the future is not "a place" where bands upload their material, but more along the lines of webwide search, and bands just have websites and sell their music getting to keep all of thier money.
As far as sharing music online, I will think it's the best exposure an unsigned (just for reference) a band can get to attract potential buyers of thier music. As far as sharing music that has hit the stores... the artist loses nothing. Only the record company, that's why the Record Companies are behind 90%+ of the legal suits. Artists are paid upfront for the most part until the album is released. After that they get publishing royalties which are based on how many copies are pressed, even if they sit on a warehouse floor and never make it to a music store.
Sorry for the soapbox, but I listen to the crap spouted on the news about the "poor artist" who isn't even in the equation. Don't get me wrong, they SHOULD be in the equation, but they aren't. This whole hoopla about file sharing is about Record Companies losing money and Lawyers wanting money. Now APple Records is suing APple music on behalf of an old Beatles agreement. Sir Paul or anyone else involved in not going to see a red nickle. HOwever APple COmputers did pay Apple Records 26 million. Interesting... guess a few more Lawyers retired. | |
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Garageband , the thing we are seeking