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Location: NJ | ". . . Cliff, could you post that wonderful Taylor ad you sent me some time ago? Would be fitting here . . ."
Bill;
I've tried to post it, but with the advent of the "new" gallery feature (I liked the old one much better), I couldn't make it happen.
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Location: Scotland | I hadn't seen that, hilarious, You're fuckin' nuts. Not quite as good as your last photoshop escapade, but then it would be hard to better that one. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Cliff, i cant figure how to get a pic on a post either with this new picture upload feature in the gallery.I have tried but cannot get it right.Miles, any help? can you walk us thru it...BTW, i ahve posted several new pics in my gallery if anyone wants to take a look... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cliff. Nice Taylor photo. I would only want to be in the BACK row. I agree with you, the old photo gallery feature was much better (sorry Miles). As a result I really don't use the gallery much any more. By the way, I did just buy a Taylor (Big Baby). $360 at GC with nice gig bag, solid top, lifetime warranty, etc. I would have preferred an Ovation, but unfortunately Ovation had nothing that could compete with it in that price range. Very nice instrument for the money. Dave |
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Location: Indiana | Ya mean like this?...Just copy the url from the pic properties. Nice ad :)
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Location: Scotland | How about a caption competition? Here's one for starters.... "The hunt for Bob Taylor's lost flatpick continues, San Fransisco's Gay commumity send in reinforcements" |
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Location: Indiana | "Taylor joins the Roundback Revolution!" :D
(after a little more thought)...
"Taylor's attempt to join the roundback revolution falls on it's face as hundreds of models are returned for cracks in the lower bout" |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Mark1960 Where were you when we needed the real copy written for all the real Ovation ads????
Cracks in the lower bout......gotta love that. Now what does it mean when the guys head is up? is he coming up for air? and you gotta love Bubba over5 and up two from Mr tattoo, he ain't coming up for nuttin! |
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Location: Indiana | Mark1960 Where were you when we needed the real copy written for all the real Ovation ads????
Well, if it was back in the 70's I was probably in my room with my bong and my cat listening to Steve Martin's "Let's Get Small" album or CSN&Y. I've been a little bit of everywhere since then.
I'm glad you liked it. The guys at work were wondering what I was laughing so hard about. We are always on a co-worker about his ass hanging out when he is bent over working on a machine (he is a BIG guy). I thought of him as soon as I saw this.
It was just a moment of inspiration ;) . I think whatever Cliff has is spreading. It's kinda scary :eek:
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | "Gathering of Taylor pickers is disasterously ruined by an incantation by a cheap magician gone wrong. Not one of the players was turned into a new Chet Atkins. The gathering in the heart of cattle country resulted in most of the participants getting sheared and sent home naked by a band of passing cowboys. Gathering was declared a success as they were used to being sheared by Taylor and generally preferred the cowboys."
News flash from central Texas |
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Location: Parkersburg, WV | Perhaps Taylor's version of "Where's Waldo"?
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | I thought it was a news photo of a new cult that worshipped soulless-sounding guitars. Looks like a communal mass marriage---be careful who you're next to!!!! :eek:
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Location: Columbus, GA | well, that's kinda harsh...i've owned several ovations and several taylors...and i think my taylors could take my ovations...well, except for the 614ce vs. the adamas smt...i don't like bright guitars. however, just because a guitar doesn't please your ear doesn't mean that i won't please someone else's. that's the beauty of music and instruments. tone is all in someone's ear. |
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Location: Indiana | topher...
I don't think Roger or any of us meant it to be harsh. It's just having fun. Cliff is a nut with a twisted sense of humor. I was afraid a Taylor fan might take this wrong. I would say overall though that more negative, unfounded BS has been stated about Ovations than any other brand of guitar. A few here will throw a counterpunch now and then but I think we all appreciate a nice sounding guitar...no matter who makes it.
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Mark1960:
topher...
I think we all appreciate a nice sounding guitar...no matter who makes it.
Mark
and when Taylor eventually manage to make one, we'll appreciate it. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Blame it on bad eyesight
I swear my first impression of that photo was that it was a herd of sheep, I see now that it is a herd of sheared sheep returned to human form. It was fuzzy when I looked at it last night and I was certain it was a herd of sheep, that's why I thought an incantation had gone wrong.
Maybe they had been turned into sheep and the incantation wore off after they were sheared.
I was going to follow up my impression that they were sheep caused by a failed incantation, by a denial by the magician that the incantation had went wrong. The magician saying that he asked the salesman that had arranged the gathering to concentrate on the the company's impression of all the fine pickers while he cast the spell, instead of a bunch of Chet Atkins, the impression that emerged from the salesman's opinion was a flock of wool covered pickers waiting to be fleeced.
I'll get my eyes checked tommorrow, and I'll be OK, those pickers will be fleeced the rest of their lives. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | topher, if you like the sound of Taylors, more power to you, sound is a personal choice. I just have never heard a Taylor I cared for. For some reason, I understand the attraction to Martins and Gibsons, they make many nice-sounding (to me)guitars. But Taylors have always left me COLD.
The salesman that sold me my Adamas 12-string may have given me a clue....he loved Taylors and he played fingerstyle....we conjectured that maybe Taylor's sound is suited more to fingerstyle players(he was fairly clueless as to why on earth I would want an Ovation).
Thanks to Mark for a good explanation....I definitely appreciate a nice sounding guitar, and if I ever hear a Taylor that I think does sound nice, I'll be the first to admit it.....
Another note....Cliff, where did this photo of all the naked people originate???? Just curious. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Bailey, Funny you would mention that, I thought it was a herd of sheep too at first. Sheep are famous for following anything. Then I saw Bubba in the back row........ |
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Location: NJ | there is a photographer that goes around the world photographing nudes in public places. This looks like one of his photos. I saw a movie about him on the sundance channel. His record for total number was at a "phish" show a couple of years ago but he surpassed that in either australia or new zealand. |
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Location: Indiana | Now for what I really think....
I think you were supposed to see sheep. I think the photographer was saying that humans had become sheep.....just waiting for slaughter... Sheered of our mind and our soul....afraid to raise our heads (ie THINK)...led anywhere, as long as we are fed.
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Location: SoCal | You're possibly right on the intrupretation. If it's true, then the artist doesn't have a very high opinion of people. I, for one, majored in insubordination in college (with a minor in beer consumption), and most of my friends, very stubbornly, head off in their own direction. I don't know anybody who I would say was like a "sheep" (altho' it reminds me of a true story I heard in Texas years ago -- but that's a story for another time). |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | moodypi
These are Taylor people, you have never hung around sheeople like them. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I must admit I thought they were sheep the first few times because I had seen the ad before and didn't look that close. |
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Location: SoCal | If they are sheep, may we assume that they have all been fleeced by Taylor? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Yeah...I thought they were sheep too. If your eye starts at the top of the page it looks like sheep. Then when I got to the bottom, (so to speak), I could see I had been tricked.
There was a article in our paper about an "artist" who gathers hundreds of nudes in a public place for a picture. In the article, he had hundreds of naked women in a train station. It's got to be the same guy. What some won't do to make a buck.
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Location: SoCal | ... or scope out naked women. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | whatever it takes...... |
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Location: NJ | The pic was originally e-mailed to me by someone who thought I'd like it (don't ask!).
It IS in fact that artist that has been previously mentioned, but unfortunately I can't recall his name right now (You'd THINK that after defacing this poor guy's "art", I'd at LEAST give him his due recognition, but I honestly can't remember his name. My apologies to you, Sir). There was recently an episode of HBO's "America Under Cover" that focused on him and his photography.
Al's right. He had done something in Sydney with like 30,000 naked people all just "lying down" in unison. Some gig.
I had originally e-mailed this "ad" to a few select individuals here some time ago during the heat of a LONG discussion regarding the old "Ovation/Taylor/Martin" thing. It is/was NOT intended as a slam against Taylor or their guitars. I think Taylor builds some very fine, well-crafted furniture that (if I could afford it)I would proudly adorn my walls with. The tongue-in-cheek was firmly planted in the direction of the "sheep" (both consumers and - more importantly - PURVEYORS) who ritualistically genuflect to these instruments simply because they're EXPECTED to . . . . and do. |
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Location: NJ | ". . . Cliff is a nut with a twisted sense of humor . . ."
That's "MISTER Nut with a Twisted Sense of Humour" to you, Sir!! ;) |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just a comment to toss in...
Having recently been exposed to Martin and Taylor guitars hands on.... I don't get Taylor. I realize I'm not the best authority, but it seems like if you want wood, get a Martin, If you want some innovation, get Ovation. If you want wood, but Martin isn't your cup'o tea, get a Collins or go to any one of many fine luthiers and find or have built what you need. It seems to me like Taylor is a copy of something that is still quite available at the same price, namely Martin. |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | Yesterday evening my church choir had thier Christmas Party after the matinee Christmas concert. Some of us brought guitars. I brought my Legend and my Applause mandolin. We ended up trying to play along as people threw out Christmas songs. Three guitars: Martin, Guild, Ovation (no Taylors). No amplification. Many voices. I played my mando most of the time and another person played my shallow body O. I swear that you could hear the Legend better than the Guild or Martin and the Guild is a dreadnaught. For a little while I put the mando down and was playing on the Guild (it needed new strings in a bad way), but I could flat out not hear it amongst the voices and other guitars. The Martin and Guild, especially, are beautiful guitars, but the O was the workhorse!! I was doing my best to not have my preference for Ovations cloud my hearing. But it cut through better than the other guitars.... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Paul, They kinda work like they're supposed to. Don't you love it when that happens? |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Taylor is possibly a copy of Martin, but like other things where the intent is to reproduce something that is well done, it falls a little short, at least on sound quality.
On workmanship and appearance they don't, though. If I wanted an attractive guitar for a wall hanging, or just to sit around and look cool, Taylors would be high on my list.
Again, if the reader of this LIKES Taylors and their sound quality, more power to you....I'm only expressing how I feel about them. Your mileage may vary. Although if you're a huge Taylor fan, I wonder a bit what you're doing here on this board......
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Now I can't get to sleep, I used to count sheep, now I find myself counting naked women. Curse you MISTER Cliff. |
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Location: NJ | It all depends what you're picturing them jumping over, Bailey. ;) |
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Location: Australia | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
Taylor is possibly a copy of Martin, but like other things where the intent is to reproduce something that is well done, it falls a little short, at least on sound quality.
On workmanship and appearance they don't, though. If I wanted an attractive guitar for a wall hanging, or just to sit around and look cool, Taylors would be high on my list.
Again, if the reader of this LIKES Taylors and their sound quality, more power to you....I'm only expressing how I feel about them. Your mileage may vary. Although if you're a huge Taylor fan, I wonder a bit what you're doing here on this board......
Roger
1976 Applause AA14-4 6-String
2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Celebrity CC01 Spruce Top 6-String
I know we all have different views on what we like and that's great but I can't understand why Taylor seems to have become the brand OFC'ers love to hate.
Let me say that I own two Ovations and two Taylors (yes it's possible to like both) and all are fine instruments.They all sound different and are used for different applications.
Also, as much as I've played some fine Martins, Taylors are not Martin copies. They have many constructional differences and their basic signature tonalities are quite distinct.
Frankly I think it's silly to simply dismiss any major manufacturer. I mean I've never played a Gibson or Guild acoustic that really grabbed me but these companies sell thousands of guitars every year so I'm sure there are great ones out there.
So it's live and let live I say, there's room for all, even Taylor players.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | " Taylors are not Martin copies. They have many constructional differences and their basic signature tonalities are quite distinct."
Richardd, thanks. I had not thought about it that way. Although my acoustic ear is getting better, I tend to lump guitars into Ovation and Not-Ovation. Martin has a distinct sound that I view as a "baseline" but that isn't really fair. It is distinct, and so is Taylor and others. Also, although tone is very important, I put the same amount of weight into my opinions of sound with regard to volume and consistancy across the length of the neck, and also tonal range. I find most wood guitars I hear have the low frequencies covers very well, but when it comes to the highs, many seem to lack the volume to hear them. Enter Ovation of course, and I also noticed to my surprise Martin and some older Gibsons I have heard mange to have a pretty good volume balance across the neck. Not up with Ovation, but better than I expected. The few Taylors I have heard have been a little "milk toast" to me. Of course the recording engineer side of me would lean that way if the other choice was only overly bass to where I had to compensate for the highs. Anyway, thanks for getting the neurons to fire. |
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Location: Australia | I can certainly understand your love of Ovations from a recording engineers point of view.
No acoustic I've played compares to my Adamas in terms it's beautifully balanced tone right across it's entire playing range.
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