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Location: Scotland | These are killer
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Location: 6 String Ranch | the buy it now is about half what it should be. Someone should jump on it. These could well be the next "big one" after the slotheads. there was a fair number of them and they were all good. |
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Location: NJ | what cwk said |
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Location: SoCal | I've owned one for 10 years and while I may buy an LX this coming up year, I'll never sell my 1537. Great guitar. |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | While we're talking 1537....
What grade of wood was used for the top. I've never seen such a pronounced grain pattern in a spruce top as my 1537 has. I tried to photograph the top and it almost looks like maple in some places.
Also, it has these funny swirls in it. Take a look in the gallery at my 1537. You can see what I mean if you look at the top below the bottom knob (it is more diagnal). Bear claw perhaps?
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Location: SoCal | It should be AAA, selected spruce. Ovation was using it's best wood for these guitars. They were the top of the wood top guitar line.
Mine has the same beautiful wood. Almost looks like velvet from some angles. |
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Location: hatzic lake, bc, canada. | ive noticed a couple of times when these have come up for sale that they are posted as "adamas"whats the reason behind this? bought mine years ago from a friend,absolutly as new for $300 still hasnt got a mark on it.real nice playable guitar,just restrung it for christmas,sang silent night once,then my wife turned on the stereo,well ive never been much of a singer,but whatever happened to goodwill to all men. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It was originally called the "Wood Top Adamas" while in development. When it was released as a finished product the name was changed to "Elite". Dave |
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Location: Louisville, OH 44641 | TEMPTING! Very tempting. Don't email this post to my wife! |
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Location: hatzic lake, bc, canada. | thanx dave,now i"ll be able to sleep tonight. |
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Location: SoCal | A lot of ignorant people call all Elites and Celebs (with multiple sound holes) Adamaii. They see the soundholes and just don't know any better. |
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Location: Warren, OH | I'm tempted. What is the Preamp and how does it compare with the modern versions? I would assume that with the deep bowl it should sound great unplugged. Unfortunately, Ovation's web site is lacking.... |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by alpep:
what cwk said
Just curious.
How does the 1537 Elite compare the the wood topped Adamas I dreadnaugh you have for sale??? Was this the prototype of the 1537 Elite????
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Just noticed, the same person is selling this Elite cutaway...
Ovation 1547 Elite CutAway
Buy it now is $1050. Probably worth every dime!
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Location: SoCal | Bob:
The preamp is the stereo preamp developed for the first Adamas models. It was considered high end in the mid to late 70's. It is also known as a "2 knobber" for the volume and tone control knobs. They work great. If you feel the need for more control, buy an external eq box. I wouldn't mess with the preamp.
By the way, the Elite that started this thread is the 81st one built. |
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Location: Tennessee | Seller ended the item early and sold it to high bidder at $500. |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | $500?????
I wonder how that came about?
Well someone got another steal. No wonder I won't sell mine.
I wonder if someone here can steal that 1547 cutaway from the same seller?
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Location: Scotland | I despair. This is one of Ovation's nicest guitars. They should be reaching at least a grand $US. Someone got a great deal, but if this is indicataive of market perception, then we're all a bunch of fuckwits & all the Taylor & Martin owners and the rest of the "handbuilt" snobs are laughing their dicks off at us. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Paul T., the Martin and Taylor owners may indeed be laughing at us (relative resale of those guitars does appear to be greater), but it doesn't strike me it came into play in this case...just looks to me like the seller didn't know what he had, and wanted a quick sale and quick money.
If I were the buyer, I'd be nervous if someone was that eager to end the auction and take a quick buck.
Roger
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2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Celebrity CC01 Spruce Top 6-String |
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Location: SoCal | I agree...every once in awhile, an auction is closed early. Happended with me on the #6759 CL 12-str - bid on it even though I fully believed it would go above $900. Seller closed it 2 or 3 days early and sold to me for $650. I was going to back out at $700. What can I say? He played it on the Elton John 2000 tour and probably didn't pay for it. That's why I always try to have the high bid hanging out there if it is below or near what I ultimately feel I would be comfortable paying. Never know the motivation or knowledge of the seller. |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Originally posted by Old Applause Owner:
Paul T., the Martin and Taylor owners may indeed be laughing at us (relative resale of those guitars does appear to be greater), but it doesn't strike me it came into play in this case...just looks to me like the seller didn't know what he had, and wanted a quick sale and quick money.
If I were the buyer, I'd be nervous if someone was that eager to end the auction and take a quick buck.
Roger
1976 Applause AA14-4 6-String
2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Celebrity CC01 Spruce Top 6-String
The killer is that this guy has TWO of these he's selling.
Maybe I should put a bid in for $500 and see if I get lucky. Still, I can't figure out why the seller didn't just let it ride. I'm thinking about all the times I've been out bid at the last moment. Why end it early and just give the guitar away?
Oh Well,
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Location: Central Oregon | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
I despair. This is one of Ovation's nicest guitars. They should be reaching at least a grand $US. Someone got a great deal, but if this is indicataive of market perception, then we're all a bunch of fuckwits & all the Taylor & Martin owners and the rest of the "handbuilt" snobs are laughing their dicks off at us.
I don't see the problem Paul. We can buy excellent guitars that look great, sound great & play great for a reasonable amount of money. I think that is good. Those Martin/Taylor people are probably over on BBS's somewhere lamenting the fact that they would like to buy such & such guitar but they don't have the two grand or whatever they'd have to shell out for a really nice used one.
Hell, we can buy four or five really nice used Ovations for two grand! What's the problem? :)
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Location: Scotland | There isn't a problem from a buyers standpoint. I was just making the point that Ovations in general and this guitar in particular should be worth a lot more than the market currently dictates. But we knew that already. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Bradley, in answer to your question("Why end it early and give the guitar away"):
1) The seller is truly desperate for quick money, like he has outstanding bills to pay, or....
2) He really doesn't have the guitar and is looking for a quick fleece, (you can do this several times quickly before eBay bans you, they are biased towards sellers in how they treat each party in a transaction) or....
3) He is clueless about the true value of the guitar, and just wants some quick money....
For the buyer's sake, I hope it's numbers 1 or 3. I have a close friend who got fleeced by a scam artist selling out-of-print CDs that bring $50-$100. He had a solid feedback rating of around 80, and he threw it away to scam about 10-15 people before eBay caught up with him.
This is why I may never buy a guitar on eBay unless the guitar looks really solid and the seller has absolutely solid feedback, or is an established online shop like OVG.
Roger
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2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
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Location: San Bernardino, California | It also could be stolen and the seller wants to get rid of it quickly. |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | The seller is an OFC member whom I doubt very much is scaming anyone.
He probably got an offer high enough over the high bid to make it worth his while to end early. When one ends an auction, they are supposed to sell to the high bidder at the posted bid but that is often not the whole story.
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Also, I checked the seller's feedback. He sold a guitar for around $1500. The buyer left positive feedback so the seller looks good.
There is still time to pick up on the 1547!
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | BruDev, you are so right, that could have been option 4. I'm sure eBay is a popular place to fence stolen goods.
Wayne and Bradley, I am glad to hear that it is a OFC member selling it and it is legit. The thought that there might have been an "arrangement" is quite possible, and ending the auction at the current bid is the cheapest way to deal with it.
Roger
1976 Applause AA14-4 6-String
2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
2003 Celebrity CC01 Spruce Top 6-String |
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Location: Zion, Illinois | Maybe the buyer read the earlier posts about how great a guitar the 1537 is and decided to buy it for the original buy-it-now price. It is sure worth the money and it would be nice for a seller to get close to what these wonderful guitars are worth. IMHO, and since I own one I can say this, they are worth more that the original buy-it-now price.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I little off-topic, but not too far I hope. I doubt much stolen merchandise goes through eBay. I'm sure some does, but there is way too much risk on the side of the sellar having to give up all sorts of information just to sign-up. Scams are a plenty, but once you get paid and then ship stolen merchandise, you're in a whole new level with the law. Much easier to unload a hot guitar at a local pawn shop for cash, or to barter it for whatever one might need.
As far as ending auctions early, there are all sorts of reasons. Not encouraged, but if someone I know calls me up with "hey, I didn't know you were selling that" I'd probably end early for a good deal for a friend.
One more note, I have an early glossy from Ovation and it was actually called in print "Adamas Elite" |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Why don't OFC members use a way to give first dibs on sales to each other?
Were these units available in our own sell/trade area first?
I would wonder why not and what could be done to encourage such. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | First MWoody... Welcome. Port Orchard area is great... I lived in Bremerton for awhile, and yes I admit it. :)
On the guitars, many of us do post in the for sale section first. I usually put guitars on eBay and then post that it's there as I frequently list with the "Buy It Now" feature.
Many folks only post here. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Thanks.
I help maintain WMD's for the worlds leading semi-democratic Nation.
I've really enjoyed the posts - epecially when someone cries "blood in the water" and a new line of history, knowledge and reminiscence breaks out. Thanks to the core that that keeps it going!
PS - How about a spell checkerer for the posts? |
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Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas | Hi, guys. haven't been here for a while. I'm glad to see there's no shortage of opinions. I owned the old 1537 on ebay that was just sold. It went for more than $500 to the last bidder. He and I just agreed on a price and I ended the auction. He is a minister in MD and had given away his instrument and was drawn to this one, for good reason I think! Anyway, it went to a good home and, no, it wasn't stolen and I'm not broke. Just thinning the heard. This was a great sounding guitar, but it had some noticeable dings and dents on the top and the frets had some wear, so it was more of a workhorse than a collector's piece (as it should be!) Anyway, if these guitars are such great prices why aren't people falling all over themselves to get them? |
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Location: SoCal | "Anyway, if these guitars are such great prices why aren't people falling all over themselves to get them?"
That is a very good question. Many posts over the past months but no real answers. Maybe a problem inherent with an internet auction (where you can't see & play the instrument) and lack of knowledge as to the value (yet a lot of discussion on this particular guitar.)
Obviously, a good buyers market at this time. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Morse, glad you did well on the auction! Happy to hear that your Elite is going to a good home.
The reason that more members are not interested in a great guitar like this is that it may not be KNOWN how great a guitar it is! I wouldn't have, but for the comments by those of you who have experience with them. Like I said in another string, I've never had the chance to even play an Elite, so knowing how it compares to a Balladeer or a Legend is tough.
I will eat my words from earlier in this string.....I found a guitar too good to pass up on eBay yesterday and won the auction for it last night....a 1986-vintage Glen Campbell 12-string, deep-bowl, no-cutaway. I'm not the slightest bit worried that it won't sound good! :)
Roger
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2001 Adamas 1598-MERB Melissa Etheridge 12-String
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