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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | I was talking to Kim Keller awhile back, and he told me that the bowls used on Ovation guitars is actually flexible before it is joined to the top. Did any of you guys who did the tour get a chance to hold the bowls before they were joined? I was just wondering if you found it more flexible than you thought it would be. |
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Location: SoCal | I personally haven't played with one of the bowls, but I've seen others flex them. When attached to the top, they are amazingly rigid. |
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Location: NJ | PH
WHY DIDN'T YOU COME TO THE FACTORY WHEN YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY????????????????/
YES they are flexible |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | In the morning, at the tour, in the "meeting room" they passed around an old deep bowl and the LX deep bowl. They were impressing upon us the difference in weight, and it was noticable. I didn't think about trying to flex them. Guess I'll do that next year!
As close as I was to paying attention about the difference in the bowls, there are tiny glass spheres in the LX bowls, maintaining strength and reducing weight. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Paul,
Hmmmmm.. you had a Deep LX bowl in you hands.
The plot thickens and the game is afoot!
Brad
By the way...was it it a cut away bowl? |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | Yeah, cutaway. |
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Location: Scotland | They were both mid-depth. Deep-bowl LX's may be on the way. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | The bowls come with a breakaway web attached to them to give them rigidity in handling until they are glued to the top. At that time, the webbing is broken off, and the glue is applied to the rim of the bowl. They put the top on the bowl, clamp for a few minutes, and the bowl is rigid again. Very interesting process to watch! It's kind of like trusses in a roof system... if you lay one on it's side and stress it, it'll break; but put in the position it was designed for, it's incredibly strong. John. |
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Location: NJ | They WERE both mid-depth, and there was about a half-pound difference between the two, and they were both quite flexible (in fact, at the beginning of the Ovation side of the Tour last year, Rick Hall was demonstrating how flexible they are).
Miles related a funny story on Thurs. night (I can't believe it's been a week already!):
Miles wanted to demonstrate to his wife how flexible the bowls are without the top attached.
Evidently he had an old top/bowl assembly and was attempting to "remove" the top from the bowl.
A TEN-POUND SLEDGE repeatedly bounced off the top because the back of the bowl would compress and then pop back into shape without any effect!! LOL!!
I forgot to ask, Miles . . did you ever get them seperated . . and how??? |
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Location: Converse, Texas | bauerhillboy
The bowls come with a breakaway web attached to them to give them rigidity in handling until they are glued to the top. At that time, the webbing is broken off, and the glue is applied to the rim of the bowl. They put the top on the bowl, clamp for a few minutes, and the bowl is rigid again.
It was my impression that the webbing was attached to make a lip on which the tops can be glued. The webbing is broken off and recycled when it is dried. THEN the tops are attached. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Right..forgot about that. And until they put the rim and web on, it really is pretty flexible. |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Hizzoner is correct!....The bowls comes out of the molds "lipless" (or else they couldn't be in a mold! :rolleyes: ) then the rim (the part with the "webbing") gets epoxied to the bowl and held in place with spring loaded fastners (cleco) until dry and then the "web" gets cut away and recycled....the edges are cleaned up and sanded and now the bowl has a rim that the top can be epoxied to!!!
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Bowl & rim |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Cliff, yes, after smashing the top to smitherines, the "lip" was of course uneffected. I was able to break most of that off with pliers. All in all, I jsut found it amazing how tough these guitars are. With all the beating on this basket case I could easily clean up the bowl, and have a top attached and a neck bolted in, and it would be good to go. Forget hitting the bowl side. You'll just get hurt. Especially as this one was an acoustic only, so no hatch or pre-amp spot. Just amazing. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | This is starting to sound like the final exam...
"Who can tell me how the necks are fastened to the bowl...Anyone?" |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Bill: The LXs are bolted on. I believe the other models are glued on with aircraft epoxy. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | And for the extra credit question.. Who makes the adhesive? |
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Location: Converse, Texas | It's aircraft epoxy. Don't know who make it. |
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Flexible Bowl?