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Location: High Point, NC. | Hello all Ovationers,
My last question "HRC repair help" got a couple of responces that I was very grateful for. Now I have a new "?". The time has come to "plug in"...but what do I use. Went to a local music store ,where a couple of old friends work-own, and DP demoed a Fender (hate those guitars)Acousticsonic Junior. I was blown away. The prob is I really don't want to buy 2 amps. Been surfing the "E" and have looked at EVERY thing and I have to admit I'm a Marshall fan ( from MANY years ago) but .......I DON"T KNOW!!! I need help from you guys.
As always, stay tuned and Best Regards,
yours truly,the last place guitarist, G.A.M. :confused: |
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Location: south east Michigan | I can't help you but I have the same question.
I get a feeling the answers will be a variation of "Ya can't have it both ways".
I'll be listening in.
Welcome to the board. I also use "1954" at the end of some screen names. My guess is that the big five-o is upon us both. And it's not the Hawiai type. But if we are still worried about good sounding amps, then we must be doing alright.
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| Hey all I too was overwhelmed for a time at the choices out there for everything from amps to effects! What you want depends on so many things? If you have a great sound board and system to play through you don't need the Marshal's you also do not need to carry a 150lb amp around all the time? you do NOT want a cheap practice amp they are always outgrown and you have to invest in another? If you intend to play an Electric all night I can't help but I can tell you I tried a bunch of amps just recently and decided on a Peavey EFX-110 This is an Acoustic Guitar Amp that has some effects built -in and it has enough juice to play the electrics as well Not to big and has enough power to use solo, when I am not near the sound system. Peavey's are Built well enough that they won't fall apart from the constant packing up and down when playing out. I am having a hard time deciding on a bass amp now for the Rickenbacker? The ones I like are very heavy and quite expensive? Also looks like I am going to have to build my own pedal board? I am just too dammed confused with the multi-effects units? I just want 6 or 7 sounds That I can bank through and simple settings to get the sounds I want? I do not need 200 variations of each effect? and a thousand differnt banks to try and find each one? I am such a dinosaur when it comes to these new effects choices. Proof positive that sometimnes too much is just too much! good luck keep at it! Randy |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I have recently been experimenting with most of the amps I have here in the studio to find a great acoustic sound. Basically fiddling with each one until I get what I think is the best sound, then moving on. So far, my Vox Valvetronix wins. I just acquired a Trace Elliott acoustic amp and it is awesome and surprisingly loud for only two 5" speakers, but it can't handle electric all that well. Another interesting option is a Trace Elliott twin 10" I have when combined with a Rockman Acoustic pedal. An awesome lightweight guitar amp, that can easily handle the conture the Rockman Pedal adds to make it acoustic sounding. |
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Location: Waurika OK | Miles, are you using the Rockman pedal to make an electric guitar sound acoustic or to make an acoustic guitar sound more acoustic through a non-acoustic amp?
I would like to know because I am having the same problem. My Ultrasound is great for acoustic but not quite what I want for hollowbody or solidbody.
Anyone know anything about Peavey Encore 65 tube amp? 1980's amp.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I was using the Rockman pedal to make the Acoustic more acoustic. It's not the normal use for that pedal, but it does produce a nice sound with an acoustic because of the way it works. Ultimately an Acoustic amp is the best or at least a model of one. The settings I used on the Valvtronix were to use the amp simulation of a 4 x 10" tweed. Now of course that is just the basic setting, and I have a lot of things available that a 2 x 10 tweed did not have such as extended presence and eq and such. |
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Location: Scotland | OK, here's the bottom line as I see it. Electric guitar amps and acoustic guitar amps are so totally different in their design & goals that using an acoustic guitar with an electric amp, or vice-versa involves serious compromises.
That said, if you have a good acoustic amp (and I mean GOOD) you can get credible electric tones using a digital modeller such as a POD or the many clones. In 20-odd years of trying I have yet to find an amp which sounds great for electric guitar but doesn't sound totally crap for amplified acoustics. |
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Location: SoCal | I can verify what Temp is saying regarding the use of a good acoustic amp and a POD. When he was out here last fall, we played with my Crate (not a great amp, but not bad) acoustic amp. We plugged my POD into the back, bypassing the controls in front and got really good electric sounds out of it. |
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Location: High Point, NC. | :eek: WOW, OH WOW, :mad: So I guess I'll have to buy 2 amps.....at this rate, I'll NEVER find a "Preacher" (even if SOME members let them go cheap..that'll teach me to keep NOT checking in with you guys on a regular basis. Well, I'm off to eBay land to start looking AGAIN, for an Amp(s)
Guess I'll have a very strange looking Marshall stack......get it.....oh well,
As always, stay tuned and Best Regards,
the last place guitarist,
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Location: Florida | FWIW, Musicans Friend has the older Acoustisonic 30 on sale (closeout) for $249.99 |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | I agree with Paul T, as usual. The gain structure for an piezo acoustic signal is different enough from a magnetic pickup that finding one amp to handle both equally well is very difficult.
One different avenue to approach is the Peavey amps that are made for keyboards and steel guitars. I have found the Reno works pretty well for acoustic/electric, too. |
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Location: Scotland | The Peavey Reno was discontinued years ago. They were OK, but far from perfect, and they were a ball-breaker of a lift. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | The new Boss AD8 processor has an output for connecting to an electric guitar amp. I no longer have an electric amp, so I haven't had the opportunity to test it. Maybe I'll bring it to my music teacher's house this week and give it a try. On the other hand, for the price of the AD8, you can buy a small acoustic amp. On the subject of the Fender acoustic amps, i have owned one for about 6 six years (and used the hell out of it) and it is a quality unit that has never let me down. You may also want to consider getting a small P.A. system. Your acoustic will sound great (I run my Ovations right to the board), and you can use one of the modeling units (someone mentioned the "pod") for your electric tone. I don't know if there is really a way to get the best of both worlds. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | PT: the Reno was far from perfect, but so far everything else is, too. My point in mentioning the Reno is that they can be had cheap.
They are heavy... I guess that is why mine has been sitting in a corner of my basement for several years. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | I agree with Mr. Moody. The Crate CA125D is a fine amp with lots of power and more than decent sound. I bought one on eBay about a year ago for $300 with shipping. Bottom line is you do need two amps. |
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| ..just a thought, there are eight Roland JC-120's on ebay right now; that was a sweet amp for it's time, not bad for Ovation acoustic electrics...
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need to plug in?..up?!!....HELP