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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I am also surprised how many Ovations here are used in church praise bands. Is there a bulletin board for us to share ideas, song etc.
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | I don't know if this is out-of-bounds or not, but maybe Miles & Al could consider adding a forum on this topic. I know I would frequent it. We would certainly be talking about Ovations being put to a specific use. Guys?? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think that the topic is large enough to warrant it's own site (as the topic of this thread suggests). Although I'm sure the folks here would want to talk Ovations... I really see specific, not necessarily religious, merits to a forum for folks who play in churches, temples, synagogues etc.... There are some.. ok many unique challenges running the gammit of material and tools (instruments) to acoustics for that genre of player.
We have seen specific threads on these topics as they relate to Ovations, and that's fine, and as it should be but I don't think we'll be adding any forums for a specific demographic at this time. |
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Location: Charlotte NC | I play guitar and bass in two praise bands. You may find Christian Guitar Resources a good site. They have lessons, tab, and an extensive message forum on a wide variety of topics.
Here's one of my bands songs:
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Location: SoCal | We'd hate to lose you all if you spent too much time on another site. What's wrong with topics here. Those that aren't interested, no problem. I value the four years starting back in 1981-we had 4 6-strs and my CL12, sometimes my 6-str or banjo. Lot of work but not a better gift. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | Not everyone reads every thread on this board, so I say 'post away' if you have an Ovation-related message to post. Some elements of Praise & Worship are spiritual; others are technical. If you are wondering how to get a better sound out of your guitar through a sound system, Paul Templeman can be of great assistance even if he isn't a P&W musician.
When Solomon built the temple, he went looking for artisans, not mystics. Leading worship as a guitar player involves a combination of musical craftsmanship as well as sensitivity to the Holy Spirit. There is a lot to be learned about the art of live performance from some who are not interested in worship, per se. (However, we all worship and serve something greater than ourselves, whether it is God or something else.)
For matters of the more spiritual nature or those related to the craft of leading worship, there are indeed dedicated websites for the purpose.
For what it's worth, from someone who has been leading worship for 25 years (taking a break for a few minutes now and then) as well as being a well established Ovation fan and promoter. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | praise band refugees
I don't think you would need a dedicated board to discuss your experiences playing in church. When you play in church, you have an audience that is not playing, but enjoys listening to your music. There is no reason to think that us people on the board who don't play in church wouldn't enjoy hearing about your experiences, especially when it involves Ovations. IMHO, the more diverse topics discussed, the more I enjoy "listening" even if I personally don't play in church. Again, your audience in church makes it worthwhile, would you want to retire to a back room and play for yourself only?
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Location: Upper Left USA | What a wonderful thread to start my day with. I agree with Bailey and believe there is a lot to benefit others, as we gain from their experiences as well. This is the spirit of the Board after all.
I remain available to all via email, as I've had no trouble when I contact anyone else.
On a related note maybe I should start some threads like:
* How to get committees that meet monthly to approve sound equipment funding now!
* How to keep consistent sound with a rotating volunteer sound board staff.
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Location: SoCal | I play in a band at church, but have never felt that this board was the place to talk about more than just the band / guitar aspect of that playing. Some of my closest friends on this board (and you fools know who you are) believe the same/believe differently/don't believe at all, as me. The same holds true on politics.
Religous belief is a highly instense, very personal thing. It makes some people very happy, and turns some people off. When people are guests in my home, they probably couldn't even say what my beliefs are on either subject. Out of courtesy, it's not something that I just automatically start talking about (well, maybe politics, just to start a conversation...).
I just think that this board is not the place for a discussion of church. I'll talk about my experiences as a member of a band, and the trials and tribulations thereof, and of course, how wonderful my Ovations fit into that context, but that's it. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Upon finding this board I have enjoyed the texture and tone, with few exceptions, and would not want to sweep it one way or another.
The CGR site is good but I am hesitant at making another site one of my required "stops".
I have received emails from several OFC Members when the subject turns more spiritual and I really enjoy connecting with you. I have also received jokes, stories, links and chain letters (from more than OFC people) and I have responded accordingly, sometimes with a worse joke.
When I posted expressing my thanks for all of you "Refugees" and stated no reply necessary it went 2-3 pages with replies of a mixed nature.
I enjoy seeing posts on a variety of subjects and can choose to respond or not. I really enjoy hearing from all of you and my email address is open for sharing - unless it is Amway/Worldwide or Viagra related! Well maybe Viagra.
I wouldn't be past being incuded in a distribution list of Refugees if someone saw fit.
I would also like to see an OFC Tour Sunday Service organized!
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | Originally posted by MWoody:
... I should start some threads like:
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* How to keep consistent sound with a rotating volunteer sound board staff.
I'm listening...
Some good points in this thread. I, for one, don't have enough time to invest in participating in another website. I enjoy the free-flow of quality info here at OFC, so I'll just keep doing what I have in the past, which is to raise questions I have & try to offer a useful opinion when I can.
I liked Bailey's point that just because you don't play in a church setting doesn't mean you can't benefit from the info posted (triple negative, wow, I can't do that every day!).
Woodman's idea for a Sunday OFC Tour service is right on target. Might be the extra excuse I need to finally make it up there. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | MoodyPaul and several others understood the reason for my response above, but Moody stated it much better than I did with "this board is not the place for a discussion of church (or politics)." but rather for the dicussion of Ovation guitars and all their uses. Of course church playing and such is going to be in those converstaions along with gear recommendations and techniques, stage tips, recording tips, etc etc etc. Nothing around here is changing, but with heightened awarness in politics and religion lately, I wanted to just remind everyone that "Ovation guitars" (and all things relating) are the subject of this board.
The two topics of
* How to get committees that meet monthly to approve sound equipment funding now!
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* How to keep consistent sound with a rotating volunteer sound board staff.
are outstanding. If someone starts those threads, I have some suggetions I'd certainly share. I think these are also topics that should be in a forum for everyone in these situations, but here is fine too. Those that need the info will find us. :) |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Thursday night I was the guitar player for our worship team. I played my '97 Collectors and '02 Custom Legend 12 string. OFC folks have reported how impossible the electronics in the '97 are in a gigging situation, but I experienced no trouble at all. This guitar is new to me, and I think it's gonna become my 6 string of choice! No feedback, and EQing at the soundboard was easy. The sound was sooo sweet. Three others on the team played it as well.
Afterward, there was no end to the compliments given to this little guitar. Got me to thinking...You don't find Ovations like these in the music stores around here. Celebrities that have been hanging around a little too long, with dead strings...that's what people have to look at. I feel pretty good that every week about 500 people see some of Ovation's best in action at our church. That's exactly how I first became an Ovation fan! John<>{ |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | John, I have played my 97 in the praise band as well and I agree that the electronics work for me as well. It has its issues but it works well. I find that my 93 collectors elite is more versital with the band. The 97 works in a praise band setting but I think it really shines in a lower key solo more pickin than strumin mode. Also when I am home it is the one I am picking up more and more. Everyone that tries this guitar I think has a similar opinion. It was just one of the gems of the collectors series. And because the parlor is no longer in production, it makes it all the more special.
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Location: NJ | As long as the "conversions" are limited to using Ovation/Adamas guitars as opposed to brand "X" there is not a problem with posing questions and comments with the application of your music and instrument in any Praise and Worship setting.
To say this bluntly, since I have no other tools available to me, there will be a problem with anyone using the board for the propogation of their particular brand of beliefs or non beliefs.
Plain and simple this is not the place for it. I have enough trouble keeping things cool with moody's potty mouth and Herbert's constant name changing. (what is he calling himself this week anyway?)
I think tolerance is the key here. If you read something you don't agree with, move on. If you feel that strongly about it send the person a private e mail.
Since I am a member of a group that is often highly criticized I am particularly sensative to these issues.
Keep the focus on music and the "good works" will find there way to you by themselves. Funny thing is you never really have to go seeking them out they are often right in front of you staring you in the face. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Al, I know what you're talking about...being a member of that highly criticized group. I was once a member of that group myself. I lived in Jersey, too, and there was no end to the cruel mocking. Now I live in Pennsylvania, and I just don't tell anyone that I ever lived in Jersey. Everyone likes me now, and though it's taken a few years, I'm starting to strike up some friendships! John <>{ |
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Location: SoCal | Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | When I orginally asked the question about another site for discussing praise and worship music, I was curious if there was such a site, because I think it would be every helpful to some of us here that are active with this type of music. I personally think that this site is for ovation guitars and not "worship music" type questions. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | I think I understand That what is being said is That The Music Context and the use of Ovation guitars or your Guitar Playing questions is fine. Or Questions concerning sound issues- Such as Sound Reinforcement Problems you may face being in that particular setting. Someone else brought up the question of how to get Board members to approve Improvements to the Sound Systems. All Good Relevant Topics for this particular Genre of music. They Just Don't want the Board to be about
Religious Topics( pushing ones beliefs on another
or Bible thumping) For teh Record They Don't wantthis board to be used to express Political Issues either.
Nothing Wrong with Praise and Worship Music, Nohing Wrong with discussing The problems you may face playing in that particular setting..IE Sound Problems, Technical Challenges and the like.
I don't think it's a problem if you want to share a link that has Lyrics and chords that
others in the same genre may want to use.
What Al and Miles have been saying is
Just Don't use the Board as a Religious Platform, Or a Political Platform. Lets Use it to discuss our Love For Ovation Guitars, The Particular Models we own, The Music we Play using those Instruments, and Yes The Technical Challenges we Sometimes face no matter what type of music we play.
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Location: Warren,Pa. | All this nervousness...has anyone said anything here that is perceived as inappropriate? I don't think so. Well...maybe I shouldn't have joked about New Jersey. Sorry Al. In all seriousness, though, we do have legitimate guitar stuff going on. I love my Ovations, and I have a "gig", if you will, that puts me andmy guitars through their paces 2 or 3 times a week. Well, gotta go to "work" now. John <>{ |
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Location: NJ | John
there was actually one post by one member that was on the edge. Other than that I have had NO objections with any of the posts that referenced gear or playing situations.
Playing in a worship situation is a "gig" and it has to be taken seriously. some of those places have unique issues all to themselves. If you have a choir echo is great. It may not be with acoustic guitars. All these questions are fine and must be answered.
Steve Chapman hit it on the head. I was trying to be diplomatic, I guess that is just not me.
My goal is to keep this board happy for those of all beliefs or non beliefs and keep it adjenda free. In fact I was guilty of that a while back and upon realizing what I did I locked the thread and let it go away.
yup even I make a mistake. Now that that one is over back to my perfect life!!! |
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | Al, I think the diplomacy aspect we all live with today can be overdone. I prefer a more straightforward style, like you have. It lets everyone know where you stand. I respect it. No walking on eggshells... BTW I hope I didn't author the "borderline" post you referred to, I don't think I have ever done that.
I think us "praise band guys" on the OFC like to share experiences with others, which is different from pushing a belief. I also think all the posts I have ever read that touch on the spiritual aspect have been in context with using our Ovations to the best of our ability, which is in keeping with the objectives of the OFC.
I was "wondering out loud" about another forum under OFC as a possible avenue to allow some of us to go into a little more detail on the spiritual side, realizing that some may find such posts cumbersome, bothersome, whatever the right word is... but not to cross the boundaries that the OFC has clearly spelled out.
But I also see the value of keeping the status quo. It keeps all the posts in the General forum, where all will see them, & as Bailey pointed out maybe these topics are helpful to anyone. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Al,
You will remain in my prayers, I will probably write your name into my Presidential Ballot this November and I hope to keep you as my Ovation Dealer of the year. Please take a photography class. Did I leave anything out?
Oh yeah! Please don't repossess the Statue of Liberty from NY for non payment of rent. We still need her!
Love ya man. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Great Post!
I'm a Seventh-day Adventist and will happily answer any questions I can regarding my beliefs, BUT not in this forum.... email or private messages are fine... I will never try to convince you all to believe as I do! This is just not the place for it.
As for playing in Church, I usually use my 2001 Redwood because of it's beauty and tone... the comments regarding the guitar are very rewarding!
I had one dear older and very conservative member tell me she never thought a guitar could sound/look so pretty!
Our Church "PA Dudes" are generally just "volume knob pushers" and I tell them to leave all of the EQ settings flat (set at 0) and let me use the controls on the guitar. That way, I have complete control and never get the ubiquitous "squackyness" ...
Just to have the opportunity to play and Ovation AND help to enhance the worship experience for others is a dream come true!
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Location: Michigan | Another praise band/Ovation player checking in. Nice posts. I'll stay on task also, with the following tech (non-faith-based) observation/question:
The other guitarist in the rotation plays a Takamine, which sounds so much more acoustic than my Elite. We both go through our own Fender Acoustasonic amps, with the send to the PA (send is dry - D'oh!). Any ideas?
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Yeah, get rid of the Fender. :) No seriously, just for fun, just use a direct box to the board and see what happens... also... and this may be a bit tricky to approach... does the soundman know how to mix an Ovation ? If he is setting the EQ's about the same as the Takamine and they sound totally different... well... thar ya go. It's not a slam on the board jockey, but if he/she is trying to use the "normal" acoustic guitar settings... it ain't gonna happen. |
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Location: Tampa, Florida | My biggest influence to play guitar came from two guys who played Ovations in P&W (Adamas II and 1984 Ltd). They were HUGE Ovation fans. They really sold me on Ovations. I just bought my 5th and will be using the 1778LX NEB for Praise and Worship. It will compliment my Martin CEO4 and Taylor 310ce. |
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Al and all
I'm on the verge of selling my soul to "Mr. Horny" to alleviate some of the difficulties of growing old, but hearing our dedicated church players post some times reminds me of the honest, upstanding, people I knew in my youth who were not ashamed to admit their religion, and who tried to improve their world as part of their dedication. I wasn't part of it but I sure don't see anything wrong with a belief that would encourage someone to consider those less fortunate, as long as they don't bug us hopeless sinners, us sinners will wave good bye to them as they waft to their reward and we sink to our everlasting torment, now where did I put that jug, and no you can't share if you want to go to Heaven, Get your hands off my jug you hypocrite.
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Location: Upper Left USA | If I may once again collide my analogies and attempt to stay on the forum topic:
It is a relationship and not a religion. It is who you know and not what you do. It is the science of being called and learning to listen.
A walk.
Guitars, Music, People Associations or God;calling to you. How will you answer today?
From an Andrew Peterson song:
When the mandolin sang like a bird on the wing In the hands of Bill Monroe
When Chet played guitar like a walk in the park Like a prodigal son coming home
They spoke into being the work of their hands
From the void of the wire and the wood
And they stood on the stage And they sang and they played
And they said that it was good
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Location: Scotland | Reminds me of John Hartford's Bluegrass heaven gag........
St Peter is showing a newcomer all the departed bluegrass greats in heaven. In the distance there's a figure wearing a white suit and cowboy hat, playing a 1923 Lloyd Loar F5. "And who's that?" "oh, don't pay any attention to him - that's just God. He thinks he's Bill Monroe". |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Paul,
That's a good One. You painted a great picture! Reminded me of the days when Radio was more Theater of The Mind. Og there I go Waxing Nostalgic about my Business again! |
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | WoodMan: great post. Sums it up quite nicely. I'm gonna go find that song, great lyrics. |
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Location: Tampa Bay | Check out www.ChristianMusicianForum.com :D |
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