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Location: NW of Philadelphia | What is the general opinion the Elite T model?
Also which the better model: T or TX?
I have a serious Jones for a 1778T or 1868T, but my wife is fighting me on this one. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Do exactly what your Wife tells you!
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by MWoody:
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Is she fighting because she prefers one over the other, or because she doesn't want you to get a guitar?
The T's are considered to be among the best sounding Ovations due to their bass-side-only soundholes. The fact that the T's give you this sound at such a great price makes them very popular. You do get a bigger sound with a deeper bowl. My daughter has a shallow bowl pre-LX model which sounds better than any other shallow-bowl O I've ever heard. Mid-bowl versions sound bigger, and I have a Contour bowl T with REALLY full and deep sound.
T's with OpPro preamps are common now, so I'd look for that over an Op-30. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | Her words... "You have 5 guitars and only 2 hands. What do you need another one for?"
"Because I want it." just wasn't the answer she was looking for. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | But how could she say no to face like this?
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Location: Upper Left USA | It might be time to invoke the "One in, one out" rule.
Note: The rule is for the guitars and not the Wife! |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by auriemma:
Her words... "You have 5 guitars and only 2 hands. What do you need another one for?" Simple. Because you don't have one like this. It fills a void. It has a unique tone (careful not to say the tone, as that would close this particular avenue in the future) which none of your other guitars has. |
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Location: Utah | If you search around this forum you'll see that members here describe it as having the biggest bang for the buck in the whole O lineup. THe sound far exceeds what would be expected with it's design.
When they went on sale a few months ago, a lot of people here bought them. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I'm into the appearance of a guitar as much as tone, sometimes even more so. For this model, it was the full bowl red flames paint that sold me on the RF variant. I would also add that the 1778 Elite-T models provide one of the best bang-for-the-buck bargains in the entire line-up. |
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Location: NJ | Call Al. |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | +1 call Al he never closes. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Call Alpep for the best deal on a new Ovation but don't take any marital advice from Cliff.
So, which guitar are you going to trade in? |
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Location: NJ | ". . but don't take any marital advice from Cliff . ."
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Location: CA | The Ovation Elite 1778T was the best sounding and most fun to play acoustic guitar I've ever owned. The medium bowl fit me perfectly, the neck was electric-like and the action was almost stratocaster low and smooth. The medium bowl projected plenty of sound and it was very well balanced over the tonal range. The only 'con' was that I wasn't particularly taken with the nonskid paint. So when the opportunity presented itself last year to replace the 1778T with a limited run of 2078Ts that had a neato epaulet laid in around the soundholes, I jumped on it.
What a disappointment that was. I know several guys here who did the same deal and were pleased, but IMHO the 2078 didn't hold a candle to the 1778T. The former felt big and clunky due to the contour back (which I've decided I don't like at all), and the sound was a bit bass-heavy for my taste and didn't hold a candle to the 1778 happy, jangly tone. So now the 2078 is gone to a new owner and I'm also back on the prowl for another 1778T, hopefully a 'lusty red' one although those seem rarer than hen's teeth. And even rarer will be one I can afford at the moment, what with the economy and the impending holidays. Live and learn. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | Which one to trad-in? Thats a toughy.
I just got the 1751.
She bought me the CC257 & the Strat.
The Mustang isn't going anywhere.
The Bradley isn't worth anything.
Anyone want to trade up for a Nikon D2H Camera Body? :) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Some marital advice for what it's worth:
The next time she asks you which color dress, paint or whatever you like better, don't say you don't give a damn what color because you like the old one just fine. When you ask her which color Ovation she likes better, she will say she doesn't give a damn because what you have is just fine.
The guitars for only 2 hands line is just meant for this rebuttal: "Fine, I'll quit buying guitars when I have the same number as you have pairs of shoes. You only have 2 feet."
If this advice does not acheive the desired result, it's because your wife is unreasonable, not me, and the fallback advice is to remind her and her attorney that the guitars are not worth anything. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Originally posted by auriemma:
The Bradley isn't worth anything. :( Story of my life :( |
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Location: NW Washington State | "She bought me the CC257..."
Maybe she would participate in a trade-up from the CC257 to another guitar. Christmas is coming! On the other hand, she might be insulted if you want to sell the guitar she got for you. In that case, it wasn't my suggestion.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Oddball, I like your statement that the tone of the 1778 is "jangly." That description fits it perfectly. In fact, if you want to increase the tone to maximum jangle, run your signal through a JangleBox pedal. Now we're listening! Its brand name says it all. |
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by Oddball:
I'm also back on the prowl for another 1778T, hopefully a 'lusty red' one although those seem rarer than hen's teeth. Oddball, we may become friends someday. |
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Location: CA | Actually, the guitar I REALLY want is that proto that Slipkid gave us a peek at. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a 1778T with the epaulet, which (to me) really makes the guitar more visually appealing than the plain "roofing tar" look. Plus it has the nice mid-depth bowl. Alas, Ovation never put them into production and that may be the only one of its kind. BTW, this is exactly what the Sweetwater 2078Ts look like, except they have a contour bowl and a 'visible' black binding on the top-to-body joint.
Hmmmm, I wonder if that Krylon comes in 'koa'. Maybe I'll get out the masking tape and make my own freakin epaulet. It'll be an outie, too! LOL |
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Location: Chicago | Tastes differ. When I acquired the Adamas II (1581) my buddy was direct: "It's butt-ugly!!!" Naturally, I think she's beautiful. It's all in the eye of the molester. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Some marital advice for what it's worth:
The next time she asks you which color dress, paint or whatever you like better, don't say you don't give a damn what color because you like the old one just fine. When you ask her which color Ovation she likes better, she will say she doesn't give a damn because what you have is just fine.
The guitars for only 2 hands line is just meant for this rebuttal: "Fine, I'll quit buying guitars when I have the same number as you have pairs of shoes. You only have 2 feet."
If this advice does not acheive the desired result, it's because your wife is unreasonable, not me, and the fallback advice is to remind her and her attorney that the guitars are not worth anything. Mark, you're divorced are you? (or will be soon) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | No, Richard, 31 years to the same wonderful woman. She'd have to be a saint. I didn't say I've tried my advice, but I pretty well know what doesn't work. I also know that you never win an argument with the judge.
By the way, my wife doesn't have enough shoes. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | My wife needs more shoes too. Lots more. |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by dobro:
Tastes differ. When I acquired the Adamas II (1581) my buddy was direct: "It's butt-ugly!!!" Naturally, I think she's beautiful. It's all in the eye of the molester. 1778
WOW, you got TWO 1778's good to see I'm not the only nut here. when I get a good one i'm always temped to buy a second - the flames are def very cool -- do they play/sound similar?? was wondering how consistant they are -- |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by auriemma:
Her words... "You have 5 guitars and only 2 hands. What do you need another one for?"
"Because I want it." just wasn't the answer she was looking for. other than being 'newer' - what's the advantage of the newer oppro (over the 30)? does it sound that much better? more features?? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | As a matter of personal opinion... I like the OP-30 better than the OP-Pro.
I prefer the Pre-Shape and EQ-In/Out on the OP-30.
The Pre-EQ on the OP-Pro isn't quite the same thing.
I am getting used to the OP-Pro... I had to, since I have 3 of them! (and one more in the mail!)
Plus, they are putting the OP-Pro in Everything except the cheapest Celebrity's. (and the iDea).
As to the two 1778T's... The black one I got 'Used' with no case, and I paid the Most for that one! :mad:
More that the two contour bowls or the Flame T. (with nice cases)
But the 1778T-5 was my first T. ( :rolleyes: Everybody say "Awww")
And I just had the Black T out, playing it side-by-side with the 2078T Contour Sweet-T and the Original still sounds better. (or at least Unique! :D ) |
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Location: Mooresville, NC | For me the 1778T is the best live performance acoustic guitar I have (also own a Larrivee OM, Tacoma Chief). I get to play every week live, and so enjoy the guitar. I am also a Fender Strat player, so I love the way this Ovation plays - the rock maple neck feels like my strat.
Mine has been modified in that it came with an OP-Pro Preamp, and now has a VIP-5 in it along with a balanced 1/2" XLR output. Love all the features of the VIP - and it was definately an improvement from the Op-Pro for versatility (but keep in mind, I'd have rated the Op-Pro as Excellent).
Tone - I'd say very defined and articulate...excellent base, sweet mids and highs. Fantastic for lead playing - and obviously soon to be a collectors item since they are now discontinued. I own all types of gear, amps and effects - like all of it, but LOVE this guitar... won't be selling this one. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):
My wife needs more shoes too. Lots more. My wife was polishing her shoes last night. All of them. She tends to make a big project out of everything. Then she came downstairs with all my shoes and polished them, since she had the polish out. Anyway, she commented about how ratty my brown shoes are and how I need more. If I was smart, I would have talked her into buying more shoes for herself and more guitars for me, but I'm not. I just said I have another pair of brown shoes, so I don't need any more. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Here's one that might be relatively inexpensive ($500 or so), in TWO HOURS!
Old-Time T with OP-30... (and a Nice case, which is better than I did)
Bid quickly!
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Location: GA USA | Thanks everybody. This thread is a great commercial for the Lusty Red T I just listed in FOR SALE . |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Here's one that might be relatively inexpensive ($500 or so), in TWO HOURS!
Old-Time T with OP-30... (and a Nice case, which is better than I did)
Bid quickly!
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | That wasn't mine... But I am always looking at that kind of stuff and hoped the OFC would get it.
[I paid $666 for mine with no case... Immediately before they went on sale for $599 NEW! :mad:
And I grimace every time I type that, but it was a good deal at the moment. :D ] |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
That wasn't mine... But I am always looking at that kind of stuff and hoped the OFC would get it.
[I paid $666 for mine with no case... Immediately before they went on sale for $599 NEW! :mad:
And I grimace every time I type that, but it was a good deal at the moment. :D ] depending on where you got it, if you take your receipt in, they should refund the dif .. |
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Location: seattle | glad to hear you still got the twins, every guy needs twins - in my hunble opinion
how consistent are they, do they both play and sound alike? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | As to the two 1778T's, they do not sound alike.
The Orange Flame has all that paint and lacquer on the top, so the sound is different.
The 12, and the Sweet T are contour bowls, so the sound is different.
But all the black textured top T's sound similar... but not exactly alike.
But you can hear the similarity of the textured top.
The flame is the one that is really different cuz of the different Top composition.
I got the 1778T of eBarf, and it was a good deal at the time. T's were going for $600 and up, and the economy was better.
It was a Seller's Market back then... and that wasn't too long ago. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
And I grimace every time I type that, but it was a good deal at the moment. :D ] Don't look back in remorse... It's still a nice git. |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
But all the black textured top T's sound similar... but not exactly alike.
But you can hear the similarity of the textured top. I'm gonna start a new thread - I think - I'm curious to see how many 'flavors of the T there are. I saw 2 yesterday - the newer one (based on ser no.) was:
lighter in weight
thinner neck
the body was different dimension -subtle but different
the saddle was different
the finish on the neck was less glossy - def satin
and (here's the biggie) the neck was MAHOGANY - not maple
they still sounds very similar (as you said, not 100%, but very similar)
I can see someone really liking/disliking the thicker neck profile on the older one - likewise with the lighter weight of the newer one.
so .... there was a significant production change within this model the older one was 5xxxxx and the newere one was serial no 6xxxxx
anybody else observed this? |
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Location: seattle | the Ovation 2178 Ultra seems to be a great guitar also
it is not as nice in terms of woods - rosewood neck versus ebony, also not ebony bridge either, but the sunburst is done EXCELLENT and the inlaid top is great - sound and playability great - very bassy - loud and can strumm aggressively --- this is based on seeing only 1 |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
The 12, and the Sweet T are contour bowls, so the sound is different. I was thinking that perhaps the contour bowls don't sound as good as the roundback - from an accoustic/physics perspective, I could really see that. but lately I played a contour that souded great, so I don't know -- with all your experience, what would you guess, do you give up a little sound quality with a contour. (I'm sure that smaller body guitars won't sound as good as a larger body) |
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Location: CA | As to the last question, the only basis for comparison I have was between a six-year-old 1778T and a brand-spankin'-new 2078T Sweetwater special order. The former has the mid-bowl, the latter the contour.
The former came to used. It was set up perfectly and I think the top was pretty much opened up. A side effect I mentioned here once was that after you had played it for about five minutes, a distinctly 'woodie' aroma started coming out of the soundholes — a unique aspect of the sideholers I had never thought of before.
The 2078T was brand new, desperately needed setup to lower the strings, and obviously had a brand new top whose full potential was at least several playing months away. However, once I got the action right and played, it sounded pretty darn good, with a definite edge on the 1778T in the bass department. I imagined that this might actually be accentuated a bit by the contour, as the deepest part of the 'wedge' is on the bass side. As one might imagine, there was no woodie smell out of that one for awhile — in fact, the combined glue and paint smells had me flinging windows open to encourage air flow.
But the more I played it, I won't say the less I liked it, because it's a very nice guit. But I guess the more I appreciated the 1778T. I decided I didn't like the contour back from a pure comfort standpoint. But I also felt the 2078 — again compared directly to the 1778 — actually had TOO MUCH bass. In acoustic mode, it seemed on my guitar to consistently overpower the higher notes. Not to a huge degree, certainly, but I found myself often trying to compensate by hitting the bass strings with a lighter touch.
Were I to play a 2078T one day on which the top had opened up, I'm sure I would probably be pleasantly surprised. But for my $$$, the Elite T remains the best-sounding, best balanced and most comfortable Ovation I've ever played. |
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Location: seattle | Originally posted by Oddball:
the Elite T remains the best-sounding, best balanced and most comfortable Ovation I've ever played. i'd say it's time to update your signature line and add the 1778T
is it a maple neck on that, and is the profile v thin or thick oval? |
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Location: USA | The 1778T is a winner...Awesome guitar for the price. Awesome Guitar period. |
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Location: USA | Thank you so much, I do truly appreciate that. |
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