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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Can someone please explain to me what is the difference between the 1/4 and XLR output and how to take advantage of each. Also what is meant by phantom power. I'm sorry if I'm bringing up an old topic. I have tried to find out information but either have not had the time to look into it or have asked the wrong people.
Most of my experience has been with SLR cameras not XLR cables. Any information is greatly appreciated.
Alpep unforntunately I cannot help you with your Oxycontin. I am trying to fill your order for "BIMS". When I tried to process this order, a message stating "Needs P.A."appears. This usually means that it needs a prior authorization to fill. But it may also mean " Needs Parental Approval". Sorry if I cannot help you with this one either.
While looking in the archives I found an Old thread about a Philly Guitar Show. When and where is the next one?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | When using the 1/4 output jack, your preamp on your guitar is using the 9V battery for power. When using the XLR output, you can set your mixer to "send" power to the guitar/preamp via the XLR cable, thereby not needing to use the 9V. Basically this is the same way most microphones work. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | I believe the Battery is then used just to run the tuner unless they've made it to where the tuner works off of the Phantom Power too.
I think I understood someone else say in a previous thread that the Tuner would run off teh Battery but the pre-amp would run via the Phantom Power sent from the Mixing Board.
It's really neat that The LX Models have XLR Too! |
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Location: Scotland | The difference between the 2 outputs from a technical perspective is that the jack is a high -impedance un-balanced line-level output while the XLR is a low-impedance balanced mic-level output. The XLR output will interface with pro-audio gear, stage/studio multicore cables & mixing console mic inputs, all of which are low-impedance, without the need for a direct box. Low impedance also means the signal can be sent down very long cable runs without tonal degradation. Balanced means that any noise or interference is rejected by phase cancellation. Basically you get a cleaner louder signal by using the XLR |
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas | I've learned more about electronics and sound systems on this board.
Thanks to all the experts out there.
What happens when I have a 1/4"->XLR cable.
For example, I'm using my Hamer electric guitar to my Tokai practice amp, my little Tokai amp only has a 1/4" send, I use a 1/4"->XLR cable to plug into the board from the amp.... |
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Location: Warren, OH | Do the LX guitars have an XLR output? I asked Ovation about this prior to their release and was told that they did not. Haven't gotten my hand on one yet...
It seems strange to me that the OP-Pro on the 30th Edition Custom Legend has both 1/4" and XLR outputs, but I always figured that the manufacturer could save about $5.00 on the XLR jack and associated wiring. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Paul Wag:
Thanks to all the experts out there.
What happens when I have a 1/4"->XLR cable.
For example, I'm using my Hamer electric guitar to my Tokai practice amp, my little Tokai amp only has a 1/4" send, I use a 1/4"->XLR cable to plug into the board from the amp....
That is probably not a great idea for a few reasons. Firstly you are inputing an unbalanced high-impedance line-level signal into a low impedance input, so there will be an impedance mismatch and as the signal is unbalanced it could get noisy. Secondly the amp output is directly from the preamp and does not take into account the tonal influence of the speaker so it can sound a bit "fizzy" direct into a PA, especially if you use a distorted tone. Some amps have "speaker compensated" outputs which sound a lot better but an option is to use a dedicated amplifier DI box such as the Hughes & Kettner Redbox, Peavey EDI or Palmer Junction. These go between the amp and speaker, contain circuitry which emulates the tone of a speaker and provide a low-impedance balanced output. I found my Redbox on ebay for less than £20, Peavey EDI-s crop up regularly for less than $30 |
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Location: RI. That small State out East | IMHO...
The XLR hook up is like looking through a clean pair of glasses.
I believe it is a value added feature that the MKGT. dept. could sell.
The XLR sound is... Lets just say I like it a lot.
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | So if I use the XLR does that mean that I can plug it directly into an amp that has a XLR input? :rolleyes: |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Phil Wong:
So if I use the XLR does that mean that I can plug it directly into an amp that has a XLR input? :rolleyes:
Yes, but the amp input must be able to supply phantom power (and you need either on Ovation XLR cable or a modded standard cable) If the amp can't supply phantom you will need a dummy plug in the jack to switch on the battery |
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| I have an Ovation Custom Legend 1869, and I use a TC Electronic G-Major for my effects. Would it be better to go XLR to my Mackie 1202-VLZ mixer (with its mic pre-amps) and use a channel insert for the G-Major? The other option would be to plug the guitar into the G-Major first with a 1/4" cable and then send the high level output to the mixer post-preamp 1/4" insert. |
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Location: Scotland | The cleanest way is to go direct to the board via the XLR and use the TC via the insert, but you must set the channel input gain correctly. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Some folks may benefit from a simpler, less technical explanation (although I understand the tech. stuff). Picture the path from your guitar to the speakers like a garden hose. If I water my yard at its furthest point, I have to connect several hoses together to reach that far. Water spurts out of each connection on the way, and I lose a lot before it ever reaches the sprayer at the end. The more connections you can eliminate, the hotter and clearer the sound will be. My CL 12 str. has a much better signal than any other instrument on the platform. Maybe the sound person can fiddle and tweak to help everyone elses sound, but MINE is perfect just the way it is. John <>{ |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Do all LXs suppose to come with LXR? Mine only has the 1/4 jack. Please advise. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | My understanding is that the Op-pro for the LX's comes with both 1/4 inch and XLR. Unless they modified it on some of the models every modelwe saw on the factory tour had both. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Just a friendly bump. Does anyone know if their are any LX models that are not coming with the XLR. While I was under the impression that they all came that way But I could be wrong.I think Sam our OFC Brother could use some answers. It seems his Standard Elite LX didn't come with an XLR.
Answers Anyone???? |
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Location: Scotland | I'm almost certain that the current LX's are 1/4 Jack only. I think the only Op-Pro equipped guitars with an XLR are the DiMeola CL and the 30th CL. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Checked mine and it only has the 1/4". Does this mean I'm unbalanced?
I'm also thinking that it wouldn't be difficult to add an XLR unit. |
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Location: SoCal | Woodrow, you're unbalanced but for other reasons.
I've gone thru every thing on the Ovation webpage and everything on the LX's that I have and there is no mention that they have XLR output. Only 1/4". I'm pretty damned certain that Temp is right.
A first? Maybe a second. |
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Location: SoCal | I don't know about the standard LX models but the 1777LX has the XLR...the LX I got for Rudy definately had full the full equipment, no circumcision there...
From and England website:
1777LX-4 (NATURAL) £1449.00
LEGEND LX MID-DEPTH CUTAWAY 6 STRING ELECTRO ACOUSTIC
1777LX-TPB (TRANS. BURGUNDY BURST) £1449.00
LEGEND LX MID-DEPTH CUTAWAY 6 STRING ELECTRO ACOUSTIC
Featuring the OP-PRO XLR preamp and OPP pickup. |
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Location: SoCal | This is interesting. Why don't I putin a call to Keller on Monday. |
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Location: SoCal | Paul,
Wonder if it is a modified OP-Pro in the standard models...may be more to it than grade of wood and gold tuners. Don't currently use it but it would be a reason to pay ? $100-150. |
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Location: Scotland | Tony, maybe the ealry production LX's were jack only and now the Elite & Legend LX's are shipping with XLR's while the Balladeer & standard Elite LX are still jack only. All Op-Pros, including the non-XLR versions have a phantom power indicator LED, which doubles as a battery check and this may be a source of confusion.
The really cool thing about the XLR models is the Phantom power facility, but there is no difference in sound between using the XLR output and using the jack into a good DI box. In terms a cost a good active DI is probably around $70 or less. The XLR out is a neat idea, and something that I think Ovation should market a little more aggressively, especally to pro players, but it's certainly not a must-have. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Good theory but mine is the 1778-4 and not a standard. Rather than call it a victim of circumcision I would like to think that the other nut hasn't dropped yet.
Paul,
See if Kim will take it in and give it another nut! I got mine through Al in February so it was likely one of the first runs. Then I'll be balanced, right? |
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Location: SoCal | Hell Woodrow, sounds like Al castrated you, ah, I mean your guitar. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Is that why I've been craving a Baritone? |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Thanks "Pauls" for insight.
P Moody. I would be interested in what you find out from Keller. Would like to have the XLR feature...but not worried about it |
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Location: SoCal | The official word is that the LX's do not have XLR output jacks. The OP Pro is "plumbed" for it, and the AD II has and XLR output, but not the LX's.
This makes sense as I was at a Gitter Center the other night and the LX Elite I played didn't have one. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Thanks Paul!
I'm thinking the upgrade kit should be fairly easy to install - as long as you cut the hole straight! |
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Location: SoCal | I don't know how easy the upgrade is. The circuit board on the OP Pro can take the XLR, but I don't know what would need to be done to the unit itself. As always, check with customer support. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yes!
I was being a little sarcastic, if you can imagine that. I will shoot an email and see what's involved. Doing it myself would violate the warrantee on a bought new unit as well.
I am thinking an Authorized facility could make it so fairly easy. |
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1/4, XLR, Phantom Power