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Location: NJ | OK
this will be option one of the ofc guitar please only post here if you like the specs and are interested in buying one. If I cannot get enough interest there is no use in even asking.
Please note that this guitar will not be cheap. This guitar would be something that would be a "collectible" guitar yet designed to satisfy the Adamas 1 frenzy and be a killer sounding instrument. If you have any realistic suggestions or are interested please post. If you are NOT interested move on to option 2
Adamas 1
choice of bowl size
op pro preamp
lo z hi z outputs
ebony board
cutaway
single epaulet
slot head
gold hardware
pearloid buttons
textured top (color yet to be determined but hopefully something unique that was NOT in the original Adamas lineup)
schaller tuners
carved bridge
certificate of authenticity
numbered 1/? OFC
this guitar will not have the LX features since I am rather sure they cannot currently do that in an Adamas |
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Location: Scotland | Al, what's the possiblities of adding a wide-neck option? |
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that may be available at an additional cost. I need to get some sort of concensus before we start customizing the formula |
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Location: northern virginia | I would be interested in purchasing one if this could be produced with deep bowl as an option. (although I’d choose a non-cutaway model if I had the choice) |
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Location: Scotland | OK, I'll try pushing my luck even further, 12-fret wide-neck option and count me in! |
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Location: Scotland | Yep, and if I ordered another custom guitar it would be pretty much your option-1 spec but with with a wide 12-fret neck. If you can swing the wide-neck I could live with a 14-fret version. |
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Location: Tennessee | I shoulda read this one first ... my bad. I like this one too, wide neck or not. Either way, I'm in. Even if I gotta sell something else. |
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Location: NJ | I was thinking maybe we can get them to do the gold flake on the back of the bowl or maybe have them shot black and shiny |
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Location: northern virginia | Gold flake sounds awesome. |
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Location: Scotland | Shiny bowl! it looks so cool. I can't believe they stopped doing that all those years ago. A shiny bowl on a new unique guitar, what a great idea. |
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Location: SoCal | Sounds like a man who's got a couple of shiney bowl guitars.
Actually, in my dream for my own custom built LX, that's the one thing that I can't decide on. Should I have the bowl done shiney? |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
[QB]Sounds like a man who's got a couple of shiney bowl guitars.
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Three actually.
two really, one is a KK repro |
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Location: SoCal | Yeah, but a great repro.
Be glad that I was willing to let them out of my hands. |
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Even if I gotta sell something else.
...and whatever else isn't nailed down! This is as close to my dream guitar as I will ever get this side of eternity. Just curious... why single epaulet? Anyway, this would be worth going way into debt for. Maybe some kind of burst for a finish? |
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Location: NJ | IMHO The single epaulet gives a much better bass response. These guitars BOOM.
I talked to the guy who ran the Adamas shop in the early days. His name is Nick Mackin. He told me that when they did the cutaway they only did one epaulet because they could not figure out how to do the other one and marketing needed a guitar with a cutaway. A happy accident occurred. the guitars really sounded good. later they added the lower bout epaulet but IMHO it is not needed.
the elite T and the new melissa guitars all are single epaulet. This is a decision that directly reflects the sound that is coming out of the box.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Sounds like if folks are willing to live with a mid-bowl (which I think is fine based on the newer architectual elements) it kinda looks like an LX with an Adamas textured top, and a slotted headstock.
I would be very interested in this, and it also seems like something that would not require any significant amount of tooling on the part of Ovation which will help keep cost down.
I am guessing we are talking a guitar in the 2K price range at this point, which should sound pretty awesome and look pretty kewl also.
I really think the essential ingredients in the tone of the original slothead are the textured top and the slotted headstock. Add the new neck mounting and new bowl, and we might be getting closer to the sound that we have craved.
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Location: Scotland | Mid-depth is fine, I'm in. I aggree with Al about the single epaulette. Anyone else fancy a wide-neck? If there's more than just me it might become more realistic to do. |
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Location: northern virginia | I’ll commit to one of these if I can get a deep bowl. (the 30th Ann. CL has spoiled me rotten) |
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Location: St. Petersburg, FL USA | Originally posted by alpep:
IMHO The single epaulet gives a much better bass response. These guitars BOOM.
Ahhh. Now I get it. |
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Location: Bethel, Me | I'm interested. I'd like to see a deep bowl option too, but can live with the mid. |
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Location: Florida | OK, so what kind of money are we talking here? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Remember, once you change the bowl to deep, unless they make a deep LX, you are talking a complete custom guitar. No ANS neck, no ligher bowl, Different drilling for preamp etc etc etc...
If you can live with a mid-bowl and frankly there are some shallows that outshine deeps, there are MANY more factors than just the bowl depth which frankly in my opinion has the LEAST factor on the deep sound, but I digress.... If you can live with a mid-bowl, then for Ovation it's just mixing and matching parts, and maybe changing a drill bit.
The slotted headstock can be done on any headstock from what I understand. A different top (Adamas) mounted on a bowl... it's been done. The rest of the guitar exists already and I'd like to not see the price over 3K if at all possible, but that's just me.
Frankly the more I think about a textured graphite top Elite LX with a slotted headstock..... the more I think this could be one helluva guitar. |
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Location: NJ | Just wanted to give you all an update.
I had a LONG talk with Rick Hall last Wednesday night. Amongst the things we talked about was the OFC guitar. He is very interested in making this a reality.
There are many things in the works for the Adamas line. Don't ask me I am sworn to secrecy. We are talking about making this OFC guitar a unique one, a guitar that will stand out from the other offerings from Adamas.
Many of the specs that I submitted are "in the works" already. I am not sure of what the final specs will be but Rick and I both talked about how we want to make it unique and special and particular to the fan club. A guitar that incorporates the class and styling of the old with the benefits of the modern technology.
All I can say at this point is start saving your money now. As I said before a guitar with these specifications will not be bottom feeder friendly. My goal is to make it as function and as special as possible. This has to be a work of art but something that will sonically knock you out. This guitar WILL be special and of course available to the fan club members.
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Location: Upper Left USA | You are such a tease! :rolleyes:
Will you continue to take trades? |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by MWoody:
You are such a tease! :rolleyes:
Will you continue to take trades?
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Location: Converse, Texas | You guys are giving me bad GAS!!!
You trying to get me divorced?
Anyway, I think youshould spell out Ovation Fan Club, vs. OFC. Promote the club and all. |
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Location: SoCal | my recommendation is that the inlaid say "OFC", the certif of authenticity could say Ovation Fan Club... |
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Location: Florida | I'd be happy if the 12th fret inlay was the only one, and was a block with OFC engraved and filled into it.
This idea has bloomed from something for everyman, into something a bit more. But, I'm still storin' up my chump change. |
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| Sounds like you are doing a lot of work to make this happen Al. Question this will be a 6 string guitar only? and I will assume they will make a very very limited number of these only? Will this be bassed on how many of us you can get to sign up for this? If so will you need a deposit? (and I certainly do not want to piss you off Al) but would it be possible to have an OFC Adamas Acoustic bass made in this production? Hate to ask questions like this in the last hour but I have been seriously considering having Ovation make me an Adamas Bass? We talked about this a while back. This would be the hook that will drag me in. If we are talking around $2000.00 a unit, and if we order 20 or 30, I am sure Ovation can make a few consessions? Right? OK now that you are perfectly pissed at me I would like to know if they could do a bass guitar--- could I get it in the older #7 color you know the Beige/blue not the white/blue? like my older 1688-7 is? Thanks Man I do know a little about heading up projects like this. I am sure there are others like me who would help you if we could? But your the guy for something like this! out of my league here Randy |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Al, I know you are getting hot with a lot of special requests, but I have a few questions.
1) When you say "slothead" are you talking about a Folklore/Classial shaped head (Left photo) or the more radical tapered recent head (Right Photo)
2) I think Temp asked already, but I didn't see a response. Is 12 fret, 1-3/4 neck an option.
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Location: NJ | I assume it will be the modern shape. although it is my intention to make it as close to the original as possible.
not sure on the neck width options yet.
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Location: Upper Left USA | "depends on what the trade is and how much you need to get for it."
I was trying to say something you like to hear without giving more options, that's all.
MTCW - I like the left slot head and the label is a great place to put Ovation Fan Club Member 2043 MWoody.
Whatever the specialized style ends up it will say it was ours no matter what!
I am entertaining thoughts of stringing mine .076 - .016 and picking it up at the OFC III. And, of course, it won't be complete unless it is autographed on the inside by MKB, AMP and CWK2 (the Ovation GAS trinity). Throw in two KK's and I'll have worse nut problems than Charlie B is having! :D |
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Location: SoCal | Damn all of you. I might have to go for this guitar as opposed to my dream LX.
As for color, gotta be the original Adamas reverse blueburst. |
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Location: Florida | Yeah, the finish ought to match the green tones of money as close as possible lol.... |
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| Let me offer my humble appolidgagee's! Al I sure did not mean to throw a monkey in the wrench here? Pay no attention to my request, I should not expect Ovation (even though it is a good sum of money) to make a Bass guitar with the OFC logo? I see this guitar is going to be a slot head, if done, almost everything would be different on a bass. I just had a selfish thought to have a bass made with the OFC inlay? I will leave this post alone from now on Thanks and good luck with this project! I sure hope there are enough guy's to do this It will give me something to kick myself for not buying! Sorry Al Randy |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Would this also have the soft "V" as seems to be the direction per previous threads?
What color schemes (schisms?) where you visualizing Al? |
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Location: NJ | I was looking at cooper or bronze with metallic flake. This is still in the planning stages and when the time comes I will get color samples
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Copper or Bronze ???? |
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Location: SoCal | I'm gonna have to see samples. Until then, I'd push for reverse blue burst.
You know, if these are going to be numbered (ie 1/15, 2/15, etc), the lowest numbers ought to go to those who have been the most active on the board, ie, the number of posts. Those with the most posts should get the lowest numbers. |
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Location: NJ | Smooth move there, Moody!!
Now you're gonna blow up the server with a couple hundred guys each posting a couple thousand posts each with fucking smiley faces on them!!!!!!! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I like the Tan/Brown of the older Adamas. blue reverse in the lighter color is classic.
Black is always nice. Add some sparkle!
Should honors go to the more posts or as the checks clear? |
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Location: SoCal | I've honestly never cared for black on a guitar. I would pick almost any color but black.
Posts. Definitely the number of posts. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Those keeping score can subtract this one from my count - that was never the goal.
I do suggest that Al re-start the post when a little more detail or committment comes in. It is an impossible task full of compromise and democratic indecisions.
Should be about 989 now! |
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I gotta get a life |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Is the point here to get a low collectable number or a great guitar? :rolleyes:
I think the numbers should go (at least roughly) in the order received by Al(maybe as received WITH money). But if Al wants to give lower numbers to the more active/better known/higher posting members, so be it, it is his choice and right for doing all the work.
I've stayed completely out of this to this point, but I am watching how it specs out with some interest. Al has had enough "help" with the specs, I am not offering ANYTHING, although Paul M. and I do seem to be thinking along the same lines.
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Oh..what the hell...
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Location: SoCal | The 30th CL Anniv was issued without specific numbering...so, for the CL, you have "1 of the 300." |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Interesting....the flame Elite T WAS issued with specific numbering...."xxx/200" on the back of the headstock, above the serial number and "USA".
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Location: Denton, Texas | :) Count me in. I like the "Un-tapered' slothead too. I'm all for the reverse blueburst, but will go with the consensus...please not black tho. Neck width same as the Folklore would be nice.
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Location: Tennessee | Make it a color that's never been done before and will never be done again.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | COOL! A green goblin reverse 'burst!!!! Throw in some metalflake, too!!! :D
Why waste time with a roller? Just dunk the whole guitar.....
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Location: south east Michigan | Easy guys.....I don't think you want to stray to far from a classic look. Remember, You gotta wake up in the morning with this one.
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Location: Florida | personally.... I think the guy who suggested the idea ought to have dibs at a very low number |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | Maybe the issue # could be the OFC member # |
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Location: NJ | THAT'S a good idea!!!
(Other than having your name on it,) you can't "personalize" it more than THAT! |
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Location: Warrenton, Virginia | roger that....BTW ...are these gonna be around 3K? I think I heard somebody say that. |
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Location: SoCal | Hmmm, in my case, # 1654 of 20 would be interesting to explain...
I think we all have to look at the reality - at some point, some of these will be sold to another. Too much personalization may actually make it harder to sell.
Throwing a wet blanket...another track is to see what the factory is doing for the 30th Anniv of Adamas. I am sure that they will come out with a 6 and 12-string this coming January that I will HAVE TO BUY (need, not want.) Maybe it would be better to ask the factory for the first 20 or so of the production-line limited edition. We could put a deposit on the guitar(s) so they knew we were serious; and offer it only through Al?? - maybe Al could be persuaded to give us a bulk deal...would probably make him "Dealer of the Month."
I am seriously questioning whether I would go for the OFC guitar and the 30th Anniv models - after seeing what they did with the 30th Anniv CL, I have to believe the 30th Anniv Adamas will create serious GAS.
Also, I still believe in being inclusive...we have a majority of members that are proud of the OFC but won't be able to lay out $2,000-$3,500 for an OFC Adamas. Still believe that just an OFC trc is the way to go where someone could add it to a guitar they already own such as a Balladeer, LX, or one of the soon to arrive 30th Anniv Adamas. No trc on their guitar? No problem as some of the members have already done...double sided tape. Need to sell in future, could always replace the trc, if desired. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Maybe the issue # could be the OFC member #"
Miles, Can I put my Member number on ebay?
I think just being represented as a Member of the OFC is sufficient distinction. Anyone wanting more should contact Bill Nichols - my TRC is on it's way! |
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Location: SoCal | I'm sorry I brought up the number thing. Personally, I really don't give a rats ass about the number on the guitar. Just so's that the guitar is great and I've got one of the 20. When you've got an original slothead from 1975, do you really care what the number is? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Something to consider is how much compromise you are willing to make for the OFC guitar. I mean, there is NO way 15-20 guys are all going to agree on exactly the same "ideal" configuration. So in the end, each of us will be making some compromise vs. our "dream guitar". If this OFC guitar is going to price out at $3000. which is probably a good estimate, and for maybe $3500. you could get a custom, EXACTLY as you want it, well maybe that's the better route to go. I'm not trying to put a kibash on the OFC guitar, but I think about the pros and cons of this every day (as I add 75 cents more to the cookie jar marked "OFC GUITAR").
Personally (for what it's worth, heck everyone else is doing it), here's my wish list: deep bowl, non-cutaway, traditional epaulets, traditional reverse blue fade finish, no fret markers, no electronics.
Ooops, I didn't add my 75 cents to the jar yet today. Gotta go do that before I spend it on something else. Can you even GET a cup of coffee for under a buck anymore? |
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Location: SoCal | Dave said "Personally...no electronics."
The FD-14 eliminated the weight but can still be plugged in...if not the OP-Pro, at least the True-Balance pickup w/direct out preamp. |
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"We dunt need no stinkin controls" |
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Location: Scotland | The FD electronics are fine, but personaly I hate endpin jack sockets and refuse to have them in any guitar I use on the road. Endpin jacks are unreliable and a pain in the ass to change when they break down (and they do, regularly) If you can find a strap to fit it is never secure unless you have a jack plugged-in, and they make using certian types of guitar-stand difficult unless you use right-angle plugs. My vote would be for an Op-50 0r XLR Op-Pro |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Paul T. - you are of course right, and that is EXACTLY the reason that the FD-14 electronics on my slothead don't go to an endpin jack. I had them install it to a normal bowl mounted jack. I would make a comment that "great minds think alike", but I'm sure that would just instigate all kinds of shit from our brothers on this board (ha ha). |
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Location: SoCal | What great minds? Or did you mean grating minds?
At any rate, I agree with Temp's reasoning and would want to go with an OP Pro with both a 1/4 and an XLR out. And not thru the end pin. |
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Location: SoCal | # 7, # 7, # 7, # 7,# 7, # 7, # 7, # 7,# 7, # 7, # 7, # 7,# 7, # 7, # 7
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ofc guitar option one