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Location: chicago | hey,Ive had an ovation elite with the roland p/u installed from the factory,been playing it for 9yrs like this ,thru my rolland gr-1. was just curious to know if anyone else out there carried similar intrest.Must admit that it still fasinates me getting a frettless bass mixed with bells on top of the owesome ovation sound..panned in stereo...who would have thought this shit could be possible...anyhow ...still happy still hacken away! :cool: |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | jeff, i am playing around with synth and cosm. i am using a roland gr33 and vg88v2. they are connected through a 13 pin junction box so i can play with either or both. i have 3 guitars with hexaphonic pickups, and am accumulating the pieces for a guitar i will build using ghost system saddles for the hex pickup. and both the midi and acoustic circuit boards piggybacked. that along with a normal magnetic pickup should make for lots of possible combinations. my prefered guitar out of the 3 i currently have is a black breadwinner. the ugly external control and external wiring arent so obvious on a black guitar. it has a great 2 octave neck whigh is good for the pitch shift on the newest roland stuff.
cwk2 mentioned the guitar you have (i think) but i've never seen one. since i use the pitch shift for open and alternate tunings allot, the quieter the body is the less it screws uf the rest of the band, so a standard acoustic would only work for standard tuning.
there is a guitar midi converter called axon 100sb (mixed reviews) that also allows you to split the fretboard along fret lines and string lines and give each section a different patch. that along with pitch shift could allow you to play slide on lower register in open tuning and lead in standard on the upper register. or for that matterslide tuba and harpsichord lead. crazy huh?
read a few of my recent posts about it. i think you pull up my profile and you can see the posts. |
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Location: Toronto | Hey Jeff - just curious how you use your set-up? Are you using the synth sounds as accompanyment to your live playing?
I'm curious - I don't hear of many people using the Synths with acoustic guitars - and now I'm wondering - maybe it's a good thing!!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Maybe you need to be Dimeola to pull it off? |
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Location: Toronto | In that case I'll leave my acoustic in the prestine shape that it is :D :D |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | the combinations you can get are almost limitless if you use fx for the guitar signal and the gk for the synth. i use it allot and i have another lifetime to catch up to al dimeola. would you like an acoustic stand up bass playing along with your acoustic? playing in 5ths? maybe a sustained arrpegiated bass note? that would cover 1/100% of what the gk options would be. i really don't know how much more it will become part of my gigs, but i play with it every day.
i have an axon 100sb waiting for me to test the guitar (s) i will be building. it takes the roland gear to the next level. the second generation axon unit is getting rosey reviews after working out some of the initial bugs. instant triggering. read about it with a google search (too many links to put here) if this stuff interests you.
my opinion about an acoustic guitar with a synth pickup-----no bueno. unless you are never going to tap the pitch shifter features of the midi converter. i have a dozen alternate and open tunings programmed into the roland vg88. with a solid body the band can't hear what the guitar is doing in the real world while the converter is converting to a different pitch. if you like to play slide or in dropped d or bensusan (dadgad) or many of the other altered tunings, this setup on a solid body works good by my standards. another member here didn't seem to like it at all in a recent post. guitar center is handling the midi guitar stuff now, so go play with it for free and make up yor own mind. i had a hard time getting it away from the sales staff. it was always being fooled with and there they all looked like chuck berry sang "like a one eyed cat peepin' in a sea-food store".
the gkII gkIIa gkIIah and gkIII can be installed with double sided tape so you dont make any can be installed with double sided tape. i have mine installed on my breadwinner that way. i'd go with a black or dark git-fiddle since the control wart is less than elegant.
believe me......i do not think this should be used in lieu of musical knowledge or talent. if you are a hack you will sound like one multiplied by the number of different voises you use.
for me it makes jamming with my other personalities fun and makes gigging easier. we play to tourists on vacation and perhaps in a studio environment this might come up short in a pros eyes. i was hoping paul templeman would join in as i highly value his opinion and could inject the necessary caveats into my ramblings. maybe he is being a gentleman not to rain on my parade.
we are in the wright brothers years for this technology so it will, as computers did, only get better. |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | by the way i think ovation is a natural to build a 13 pin guitar that doesent depend on roland pickup technology. THERE ARE BETTER PARTS OUT THERE.
"FROM THE COMPANY WHO REDESIGNED THE ACOUSTIC GUITAR IN THE 20TH CENTURY...(drum roll) A NEW ELECTRIC GUITAR FOR THE 21ST CENTURY, THE OVATION VIRTUAL 13 SOLID BODY. UNLIKE ANYTHING YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED BEFORE AVAILABLE IN TRADITIONAL AND CARBON FIBER FINISHES." |
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Location: chicago | hey russ i do agree with you if you dont have the chops' adding more soundswill only multiply what you have or dont have,buy the way im a recent poster on the site and do appreciate the conversation.while iknow it could take more than a life time to tap into the gagetry, just having the fretless bass on your e,a strings is enough to add insperation to the bottom line....creating music so while my GR-1 IS SUPOSEDLY OUTDATED I STILL FIND IT INVALUABLE. |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | since this all is so new for the guitar, count on losing allot as soon as you drive your state of the art gear off the lot. that doesn't mean you cant do what you did and hang in there with something that works. like you said, for that bass line you can add to two strings adds depth to solo performances.
this winter i will be playing a duo act for a mellow restaurant that is being built a block from my house. no drums and no bass (player that is) i think the additional midi sounds will add texture and make the audience look and listen a little closer. |
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