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| I was just looking at Musiciansfriend and they have the 1867 and 1777 legends at $699 new. Of course, that's non-lx. |
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Location: uk | that great price.....would any of those mail order shops ship the guitar to the UK marked as a gift?
or would I just being cheeky |
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Location: NJ | hey Steph
what line of work are you in?
how about if I go there and ask you to commit FRAUD???
Bet you would agree to it huh? |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | In other words, I think Al is saying NO! |
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Location: uk | Settle down ...... it was only a cheeky question ......
with no intent to commit "fraud" or to upset anyone .... |
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Location: NJ | asking someone to declare an item as a gift that is not is FRAUD. It is just that simple.
what I never can get over is that even with saving often a grand US on a purchase people have the NERVE to ask you to commit FRAUD. |
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Location: Florida | Fraud it is.
I didn't ask, but when I imported some wire and transformers from Russia, they wrote up a "trade in" on it. Very strange, since I had no idea what that was. Later it was explained to me that it saves them some money on their end. |
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Location: uk | think I will disapear to the Martin forum, it was a "joke" al .... no need to take things to heart ....................... |
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Location: SoCal | Steph,
Problem is that this is very prevalent...so often that some dealers won't ship outside of CONUS (continental United States.) Besides the legality and morality of this, it can affect the insurance claim if there is any damage.
I am sure that this is a sore subject with a professional dealer such as Al.
Also, on a forum such as the OFC, it is absolutely necessary to avoid creating an impression that it is recommended. |
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Location: Midland, MI | When I had the Viper on eBay, I had it listed as available in US and Canada only. This didn't stop someone from Italy from badgering me about shipping it to them and how much, blah blah blah.
So, I looked up UPS (about $800!), then contacted the post office for a USPS price. Turns out it is against some trade agreement or treaty or something to ship musical instruments, or parts thereof, including bells, to Italy from the US.
I told the Italian enquirer that a) I only offered it for US/Canada and b) it was illegal for me to send it to Italy anyway, based on the information I had been given by the postmaster. That got me a nastygram in return.
Point being, apparently there are many ways to break the law when shipping internationally, not just making false declarations. |
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Location: SoCal | Not sure about that...just sent a 30th Anniv CL to Italy through the post office...everything declared properly, no problem. |
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Location: NJ | steph
tony is correct it is a particular sore point with me.
a portion of my business is international and it is growing all the time. I guess I take these types of issues more seriously than most.
To properly answer your question, most of the big box dealers could not be bothered with international sales. they just don't want the hassle. For a small fry like myself, I take the risk and jump through the hoops.
I can't tell you how many times people tell ME what the shipping should cost etc and when I explain to them they are wrong we go round and round and round. It is amazing! People want you to ship somthing in an envelope that is meant for correspondance at a cheaper rate and guess what? I am at the post office so much they know what I am doing and will not accept a part in a flat rate envelope. that is it end of discussion, but some guy in FILLINTHEBLANK usa sent him 4 lbs of stuff in a flat rate envelope and it cost 4 cents to ship and this should be the same at your post office. Hey the us post office is screwed up. some offices inforce the rules some do not. They see me every week they know what I do they inforce the rules.
I understand you were making a joke but I get that almost every week and it ain't no joke.
I hope you continue to enjoy our forum. I will have a warm beer and calm down. (joke) |
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Location: Midland, MI | I didn't believe the local postmaster either, so I went and looked up the prohibitions for mailing to Italy on the usps.gov website.
Prohibitions for mailing to Italy
Fifth line down:
Bells and other musical instruments and parts thereof
Now, maybe he misinterpreted and so am I. But, I went and looked up Publication 52, Section 63 which addresses international mail. If it's listed in the ICL (Individual Country Listing) as permissible, then it's ok. But, in the ICL for Italy, the above (fifth line reference) is under 'Prohibitions' not 'Permissibles.'
I'm not trying to be pedantic, as I really don't know anything about it other than what the local PM said and what I found online. If there's a postman (postperson?) amongst us, maybe they can clear it up. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cruster, If I knew what "pedantic" was I could probably come up with some funny response. But I'm stumped.
Anyway, I recently did a favor for a friend in Germany. He sent me money to go to Guitar Center and buy him a certain Fender Strat Relic. We did everything by the book. He paid full shipping, insurance, taxes, import duties, blah, blah, blah. He paid through the nose. But he was THRILLED that even at that he saved over $1500. compared to buying in Germany, assuming he could even FIND the guitar over there. Yeah, warranty might be an issue but so what. Anyway, we played by the book and 1) he's got a new favorite guitar, 2) he's got a new best friend - me , and 3) he's got a new favorite country - America. |
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Location: uk | Standingovation
YEAH...thats what I really mean.... |
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Location: Eugene, OR | Right On Al, ----for laying that out so clearly. !!
There is a time and a place for "cheeky" but few people realize how serious the issue really is. Lying, being seen as "cheeky", also shows how lightly people take the practice and how commonly it happens.
Being a "common" practice doesn't water-down the fact that it is indeed fraud. I bought some real estate where the realtor knowingly lied about the property. She called it a little white lie and couldn't handle the word "fraud".
I helped her to understand that fact a little more clearly. People can easily say that they lie about a transaction but would never commit fraud. ---They are one and the same.
Thanks for the needed clarity. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | cruster, when you sell on eBay, set your preferences to block bidders from countries you would prefer not to sell to and let them rant. I had trouble with foreign bidders bidding and winning auctions in violation of my similar auction rules(and eBay won't do anything about it) until I did that. Most people are good, but a few won't obey the rules unless they are forced to.
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Location: Midland, MI | Oh, they weren't bidding on my item, they were just sending me email after email after freaking email. It was annoying. Such is life...beats the heck out of not having any interest at all. :) |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | cruster, you're kind, I'd rather have NO interest than unwanted interest. Saves on time expenditure when the point is to sell stuff, and one only has limited time.
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Location: Midland, MI | What can I say? I'm lonely.
bwahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha |
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| I got my Custom Legend from New Jersey - the guy took it down the Post Office and did it all by the book. I paid all the duty and the tax at this end, by the book. I got my beautiful, best neck in the world, best looking in the world and best playing in the world baby for less than half of the CHEAPEST UK price I could find. Why would anyone want to screw up a deal for the sake of a few extra dollars/pounds? The one government department you should never mess around with is the Revenue - their attitude towards debt-collecting is based on a blueprint issued by the Cosa Nostra.
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Location: Keller, TX | I'm having the same question. I have the Adamas on ebay and have a guy from Germany asking me to ship it to Germany.
StandingO, What was the cost to ship the strat to Germany. I called the local Ma & Pa "Ship everything from here store" and they quoted me about $350 due to size.
I am afraid about import/export/tarrif fees, etc. What I don't want is for 2 months down the line to get a bill from (insert shipping company or US GOV) for $100. This happened to me once when I had to send some medical device parts back to the UK. |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | I shipped one to Japan for about $100. You have to be careful about the box you use. Soom guitar boxex are over the size limit for the US Post Office overseas rules and some are not. I can't remember what the restrictions are but your local PO should be able to help. It was in a book the mail person looked up. |
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| The cost to UK including insurance is around $100 to $125 via USPS. The first one I bought was simply put in an Ovation cardboard box (in its case) and taped up and handed in at the post office. Al quoted me much the same (againUSPS) for the one I have on order.
If you use USPS then the postal service at the other end collects the taxes, its not your problem at all providing you haven't declared the value at anything other than what the guy is actually paying you INCLUDING the shipping/insurance cost.
Just do it right and NEVER f&*^ with Customs.
Our money is as good as anyone else's.
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | The package size guidelines are on the USPS website. If you have a weight and a size, you can get the shipping cost from there.
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Location: Chapin SC | if anyone wants to get back on target, I've purchased 6 guitars, 1 bass, 1 keyboard, 2 amps, a trapset, and various accessories from musiciansfriend and have never had a complaint about price or service. ps I've shipped bells to the uk from the us via ups with no problems too, it's just very expensive. Whitechapel handbells to be precise. ding=a-linging for 28 years! ~sl |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Check again those prices, they now have one of there Legends for $599.99.
I bought two Rogue guitars during there spring sale. A simple acoustic DA100 for $39.00. It plays and sounds great! Cost me $50.95 for guitar, stand, and shipped to my door three days later!
I also bought a Rouge herringbone A/C for $89.00! This guitar has the Fishman 4 classic pick-up. Sounds GREAT!
Cheap, but hey, if I bring them to school and they get dinged around...big deal!
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Location: closely held secret | Norseman, just checked the site - $699.99 for the 1777 non-LX |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | They only havethe Black Finish available but that's a great price comes with a case and free shipping. |
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Location: closely held secret | Yup. Couple hundred under what I paid for my 1867 less than 2 years ago... :(
Ah, well. Still on my honeymoon with my 6778LX! |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Hey Waskel...you're right!
They either marked them back up, or it was the Black that is no longer listed.
They also raised the price of my DA100 Rogue back up to 59.00...they were down to 39.99 two weeks ago.
Sorry about that! They do move their prices a lot. Their Oscar Schmidt 030 (semi-hollowbodies) have been listed anywhere from 119.00 to 149.00 depending on the flyer, internet or catalogue over the past few months. Their OE40 (hollowbodies) went from $240.00 to $219.00, back up to $229.00, then down to $199.99.
Hard to figure. |
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Location: closely held secret | Yeah, they do change them a lot. Are you sure it wasn't the 1867 you saw? I know they dropped them way down when the 1777LX came out, maybe they were clearing out some scratch n dents they found in their warehouse. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Well, it was a Legend, I remember that much. It was a cutaway, traditional soundhole, and I thought it was natural finish. It was not a scratch and dent model though.
Anyway, didn't mean to cause confusion. I was going to mention it when I saw that price a few weeks back, but I wasn't sure if that was that great of a price anyway.
I will say, I was a bit hesitant to buy a guitar from Musicians Friend (without seeing it first), and I had problems with an Oscar Schmidt, but they took care of it quickly, and without any hassle!
Norse(I have bought several small products from them over the past few months and have been very happy.)man1 |
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Did the replacement bridge pick up work for you? |
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Location: closely held secret | NP, Norse. $699 for a new Legend, LX or not, SS or not is a great price in my book. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | Hey Mike! Well it turns out the pick-up in my CC65 is a different style. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, been busy with domestic things. Anyway, the pick-up in my CC65 is a flat pick-up that runs underneath the saddle, not the thineline that craddles the saddle. It is also directly wired to the control box, so I can't plug in the one you sent (unless I cut the wire, and I didn't think I wanted to try that and potentially ruin one of the pick-ups). Anyways I will be sending it back to you just as soon as I can.
Thanks for offering to help me out bro, it is much appreciated!
As far as the CC65, I have a friend that would love to own a 12 string, and has been helping me with some work around my house. It still amplifies o.k., but my friend plays mainly acoustically anyway. I think I will give it to him as a thank you gift for being such a good friend. I guess that makes it a win-win situation for both of us (beings we will both feel good about the CC65). It may also encourage him to continue playing.
Take care, and I'll try to get that out to you this weekend!
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Location: Upper Left USA | Cool!
We now return to our normally scheduled topic. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | It's The 1777 Black Legend Non LX mid depth. |
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| I just joined OFC - because I just received a beautiful new cherry cherryburst 1867 Legend from MF for $599.99 - there was a short window before all were sold out. I am extremely impressed with everything about this guitar. I tend to be more traditional about my acoustics, but bought this one figuring I could return it if I didn't like it. No way - this is a keeper. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Welcome to the board, Squawk. Glad to hear that you more "traditional types" can make room for a "non tradtional" instrument and that you are pleased with your 1867.
There are others here who own non-plastic guitars...but we....I mean they... are hard to find, cause they only scurry about when the lights are off. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Welcome Squawk!
I'm glad to hear that you have stepped out of (and away from) the "box". What other guitars are in your stable? |
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| Thanks for the welcome!
In the acoustic/acoustic-electric arena, I have 3 Guilds (D50, JF12-30, B4-CE); 4 Martins (D-15S, SPD-16, Paul Simon 2, and a B-1), 2 Gibsons (Montana Blues King and a Chet Atkins CEC), a Taylor NS44, a Larrivee D60, and now an Ovation 1867 Legend. BTW, I got into acoustic guitars and basses rather recently as I primarily gigged and recorded on bass roughly from 1965-1975. I can't say any one ax is my favorite, but I will say the Ovation has the most comfortable design of any guitar I ever played - the shallow bowl and light weight are great for us middle-aged guys with a gut :)
One question - if I move to a slightly lighter string, say 11s, would I be looking at needing a professiional setup to maintain intonation (which is perfect with the factory 12s)? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Man squawk, you've got an unbelievable set of guitars. That's REALLY nice. Dave |
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Thanks - I'll probably sell a few one of these days, but it's tough as I like them all. |
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| I checked MF's closeouts this morning, and prices are back up - the 1777 Legend that was $699 yesterday is back to $899 today. Other closeout items similarly returned to former higher prices. |
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| Originally posted by Squawk:
I checked MF's closeouts this morning, and prices are back up - the 1777 Legend that was $699 yesterday is back to $899 today. Other closeout items similarly returned to former higher prices. ...and it's back to $699 today... |
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