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Location: Avondale AZ | Circumstances are forcing me to sell one of my Ovations. I have purchased items on Ebay but have never sold any. My question is what part of the world do I list it in? Of course I will list in the USA. However, I have notice Europeans (especially British and French) bidding high on solidbody Ovations. Then I have read in recent threads about postal restrictions to Italy. I know I would have to charge a higher rate for oversea's shipping, but what other regulations are there to consider? How about Japan? If you have any experiences with sell oversea's, please share your pearls of wisdom.
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Actually, I have had good experiences with overseas shipments. I have sent guitars to France, Germany, & The Virgin Islands. No worries, mate. They all arrived unscathed (packed well), and made it through Customs easily. The shipment rates really are sensitive to the size of the shipping carton. Ship by USPO Air Parcel Post as the most economical method. Consult the USPO website to check on size restrictions, and availability of delivery to each country.
And, you're right, you will probably get a higher bid if you're willing to send overseas. The funds transfer can be a bit tricky, but that's the buyer's responsibility to figure out, anyway. So far, PayPal has worked on all three of mine.
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | List it in the part of the world you want to sell it in. Living not to far from you, I've always what part of the world Avondale was in (local geography humor). List it in the U.S. If foreigners want to search U.S. listings, they'll be prepared to pay foreign shipping and duties. Be on the lookout for the foreign buyer scams and you should be allright. Good luck.
P.S. Don't forget listing it here as well. You never know, someone close to you may be willing to pay top dollar. And, most likely, those with the most knowledge and respect are already here. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Hey dmkozak Avondale is just west of your small neighborhood. It just isn't as polluted (actually we breath the same air but we are closer to the White Tank Mountains). What do you mean about oversea's scams. Could you elaborate so I will know what to look for? |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Thanks Seesquare it was helpful |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | As I've heard, anything from Indonesia, especially. Watch out for the funds transfer fiascoes- money in hand, then ship. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | As dmkozak mentioned, it is always a nice curteosy to list it in the OFC section before going to eBay. State your aksing price or OBO and see what happens. Might save you on the eBay fees and helps keep it in the family! ;)
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Stephen;
I also have shipped to many different countries over the years with few problems. As the seller, it is usually no different than selling domestically, other than the address. For the buyer, importing has its hassles with the different import fees/regulations but that won't inconvenience you very much.
One thing to consider is the fact that the American dollar is presently much weaker in relation to other world currencies than it was a few years ago, therefore making items priced in USD more attractive to out-of-country buyers. There seems to have been large price increases in many vintage guitars/amps lately, particularly the blue-ship stuff like pre-cbs Fender guitars, etc. This has to be at least in part, due to the current dollar situation.
By limiting ones self to domestic-only sales, you are really shooting yourself in the foot…it’s a really big world out there and there are many currencies that convert into American greenbacks quite nicely!
The few problems I have encountered over the years were not due to the geography involved. :)
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Location: Avondale AZ | Stephen
I am going to list my Limited. I am going to have a reserve and a buy now price. The guitar is near mint and so is the case. Both are totally original and the guitar's electronics all work great.
My first post on this board was to ask how rare a Limited was. I was not asking for prices just it rarity. I got a lot of responses from members who offered me less than $100 and other smart ellect remarks. Mind you I was new and assumed they were kidding but I don't think the intrest here is to high for limiteds.
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Location: Houston, TX | Without a doubt you took those comments the wrong way. The bad offers were made in obvious jest, and the interest is quite high on this board for limiteds. |
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Location: SoCal | There can be other costs to the seller, if using wire transfer...I set up a separate account in a major bank (home office Seattle.) Asked them specifically about wire fees...$10 to receive wire, $40 to send. Yet, when I rec'd the wire, there was another $28 charge against my account. Had to write their home office...undisclosed intermediary "clearing" bank. Reaction from their home office was unsat...they do not accept any responsibilty to disclose this additional fee.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Send me an email with your buy it now price and lets see if it goes anywhere.
Never hurts to save on the ebay fees and I wouldn't mind adding a limited to the stable!
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Location: south of munich, Germany | Tony:
my paypal experience (i have done business with US guys as seller and buyer):
if the buyer has to pay in the currency the seller wants to receive it, all fees are on the buyers side...
less problems (and less fees i believe) than wire transfer or Western Union or whatever...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I have sold 5-6 guitars to people in Japan or Europe. It is not problem at all. I insist on two things. 1) they pay is US dollar using PayPal. That way I'm totally protected and nothing ships until the cash is in my account. PayPal charges me something like 3.0% off the top but so what. 2) I insist on shipping only with FedEx and the buyer pays full insurance. I don't mean to sound anti-American, but I ain't gonna trust shipping my quality instrument to the US Gov't. Sorry. I have had 100% satisfaction with FedEx. It's not cheap ($80-$100.) but I just build it right into the price. As posted in an earlier thread, given the shitty US dollar people from Asia and Europe are thrileld to buy from us, even with the extra costs attached. |
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Location: south of munich, Germany | it is not only the shitty US dollar.... if you are interested in an US made guitar (and there are many interesting guitars made over there ;) ), buying on ebay is most times the cheapest way...
I bought a new guitar from a shop in the USA... had to pay about half the price (included shipping, charges, fees, etc....) of the listed price in german shops....
if you go the "official" way and buy it in a e.g. german shop ... you have to pay the US-price + shipping + fees + charges + extra charge (margin) on all mentioned before... but there are many involved (wholesaler (sometimes more than 1 step from USA to Germany!), trader).. and everyone has its own margin...that's the reason why buying the direct line via ebay is so interesting...
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Location: San Bernardino, California | The last three Limiteds on (USA) Ebay went for (excluding shipping) $770 (to the USA), $1000 (Europe), $1253.88 (Europe). |
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Location: SoCal | The Limited on eBay ($1253.88) was a USA buyer. Two other Limited's last year went to the same USA eBay buyer for $675.01 and $810.
Dleegblue,
Take some good pictures and get that Limited up on eBay! First time out with a near mint Limited. The runner-up bid on that last Limited was $1228.88. Do a reserve without a buy-it-now. Make your reserve what you were considering for the buy-it-now (go high). Hang in there till the very end of the auction, as the snipers wait until those last 30 seconds. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Well I posted it. I have a reserve with no buy it now price. I hate to see it go but I can't afford to keep it.
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Location: Upper Left USA | DLee,
Nice guitar, nice verbage, wish I had more money.
Allow me to offer some eBay tips/criticism if I may.
More pictures - many angles and critical shots - especially the areas that more often show wear or damage. The Peghead ears, the pick guard area, the back belt buckle zone and the bottom edges where most punishment goes.
Its OK to come in high on a first offering and then state "Reserve Lowered" on the second effort.
The potential bidders will know a Limited when they see one. You did well on the description. Not too wordy.
I also like to plug the Ovation site and the OFC.
I wish you the best in your auction!
Hey Tony - you ain't got wunna dees yet! :D |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by dleegblue:
I hate to see it go but I can't afford to keep it.
You get lifetime visitation rights if it lands at my house. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Thanks Noah
This would match your other one pretty well wouldn't it?
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Location: SoCal | Just look at those two... a match made in heaven!
I have had major GAS lately. I need treatment... where is the OFC Intervention Squad?
Stephen,
Please go for this one!
By the "rules of engagement", you should have had the last one. It was bid on, and won by a non-player, not even an OFC member.
I had just been watching it. I mentioned to Lady Noah how monetarily unattainable one of these was when we were kids in college. Lady Noah threw an unbelievable last minute bid out there to get her Captain a great New Year's present. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Unfortunately, the same fellow is bidding on this one also....I believe he/she is trying to corner the market.
Talking to the owner, don't believe I have the beans to buy this one at the price he wants but I am always willing to help drive up the price for a non-members purchase. :D :D :D
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Location: SoCal | Stephen,
I meant what I said. I haven't bid since yesterday before you. You're the high bidder. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Noah,
Are you saying you are the infamous we-r-impulsive? If so, I feel alot better about losing out on the last one. Thought it went to a non-member.
Anyway, like I said, doubt I will get this one because I believe (from conversations) that the reserve is too high for what I am willing to pay and what I think the axe is worth. I do hope the seller gets his reserve because it only drives up the resale value for all of us.
Of course, there is the chance that if it doesn't sell, he will contact me and we can make it happen! :D :D
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well, if you are we-r-impulse, you snatched the last limited from my grasp.....to outsnipe me makes you infamous in my eyes :eek:
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Location: SoCal | Stephen,
Lady Noah sniped it as a surprise gift for me. I was only watching it.
Anyone looking at the bidding history is going to set their reserve accordingly...? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | What an awesome wife Lady Noah is!
My wife "allows me :p " to most times support my GAS but she would NEVER get online and buy one for me.
GREAT GRAB by the way!!!! Glad the guitar went to an OFC member!
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Location: Avondale AZ | Stephen
The reserve price is nowhere near as high as the buy it now price I told you I was planning to post. If I had a buy it now price it would have to be high because There is no telling where the bidding will go.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That's good to know.
I will give it my best shot and see what happens ;)
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Location: Tennessee | dleegblue ... nice! $1475 for the Limited. Maybe the solid bodies are finally getting the recognition they deserve. Sorry you had to let it go, but at least it was no fire sale. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | And it also stayed in the family since the fellow who bought it is one of our Italian members. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | I have a new question about this sale. The buyer has asked me to declare this a gift on the paper work. I assume he is doing this to save money. Is there any risk for me in doing this?
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Location: SoCal | buyer is asking you to commit fraud along with him...lots of posts concerning the hazard of false declaration. |
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IT IS FRAUD. |
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Location: SoCal | It happens all the time. But it is wrong! Please do not compromise yourself!
The Frenchman is asking you to break your Country's Laws for his financial gain. You compromise yourself, you take the risk, and he saves money… just so you can sell your guitar.
It is bad enough that circumstances have forced you to sell this guitar. Now, to facilitate the sale you are asked to compromise yourself. You brought it up on the board because it bothers you. Sometimes we have no choice but to compromise our values to survive… BUT NOT THIS TIME!
Tell the Frenchman that he is disqualified because he is asking you to commit a crime.
Return his money.
Turn his emails over to eBay and they will back you.
Get your credits from eBay, etc.
I will “buy” the Limited. I will safeguard it until it can return home.
I will make sure that your net is the same as it would have been with the Frenchman.
Your Limited will hang in our Music Room next to the one Lady Noah bought me.
When you are ready to have your Limited back, just return the funds.
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| it's clearly wrong to lie.
teach the french guy our american value =) |
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Location: There's no place like 127.0.0.1 | Noah, that is an outstanding offer! Well done! |
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| You guys are ruining all of dubya's pr work of recent years.
Noah, you are amazing.
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You could rat the guy out to French Customs for attempted fraud. You might get an expenses paid trip to the trial. |
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Location: NJ | Noah, you are truly a good guy!
At one time when I was in dire financial straits, I had a friend who did (with my SlotHead) exactly what you're offering to do.
If I were wearing a hat right now, I'd tip it to you . . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Thank you for your support gentleman!
Lady Noah is just getting up (7am on the West Coast) and does not yet know that I have pledged to “foster” yet another guitar, nor is she aware of the pending reallocation of retirement funds into this new investment called “Someone Else’s Honor and Self Respect”.
I am confident of approval. Lady Noah, in the Corporate World was responsible for Export Compliance for an International Company.
I was one of the members to advise dleegblue that if he was going to sell the Limited, he should put it up for auction. Watching as Jim gave up his FD14 yesterday just struck a cord. When I re-read this thread, I had missed how it started, “Circumstances are forcing me…”.
I have written dleegblue personally and I hope he accepts. Posting in the forum was to let dleegblue see that I am on the level and also let the Frenchman know my disgust. |
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Location: SoCal | A happy wife is a wonderful thing to behold.
Noah, obviously, you don't have kids in the house, or dogs. Otherwise, nobody would be sleeping until 7 pm.
You're right across the I5 from me. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Thank you Noah,
It is truely a wonderful offer you make. I will still sell it to the French guy but won't declare it a gift. I don't see being able to buy it back anyway and then you would be stuck with it hanging on your wall.
I have lost my job and had to take another one doing the same thing at almost half the pay. My wife and I got divorced recently and now I have to get my child support payments adjusted to reflect my lower income level. On top of all this a hospitial bill that occured when my then 1 year old son was bitten by a scorpian last year is not fully covered by the insurance and I had to come up with nearly $400 immediatly. I tell you this because I want you to know why I had to sell it to him. I have his money already and have spent some of it.
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I know exactly where you are. Life does get better, though at the time you can never see it. My thoughts are with you, and Lady Schroeder says good luck. Take care of yourself buddy. |
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Location: Avondale AZ | Thanks Schroeder
Actually, I am still enjoying life very well. I don't have my wife but we are still friends and we still love each other. I still see the kids almost everyday. I can still afford all the essentials. And I still have my viper.
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| A guitar'll get ya thru times with no money better than money'll get ya thru times with no guitar.
The guy who said that was a friggin' idiot, but the general principle applies. Keep rockin'. |
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Location: SoCal | dlee,
There will always be a Limited hanging in our music room waiting for you.
Right now, what you are going through is overwhelming. Just when you think it can’t get any worse… the definition of worse gets revised.
Lady Noah believes that fate has a funny way of working things out.
As you can see, some of the folks here are willing to watch your back while you get some rest and recoup.
We are just a post, or an email, or a phone call away.
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Location: Avondale AZ | Well I refunded the Frenchman his money. I had problems with selling to him after he asked me to lower my standards and break the law to benefit him. I had already spent some of the money before I received it so I was still going to go through with the deal. However Paypal is no Pal of mine. They want to send me only $500 a month because this is my first transaction. On top of that they marked the transaction as completed when I tried to transfer the funds to my bank account on 2/8/05. Today I still had not received the funds. After a call to payfoe, I found out the truth -- it will be easier to resale the guitar and not deal with payfoe. If anyone is interested the price is $1400 plus shipping.
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Location: SoCal | dlee,
I would not ship anything out of the States unless I had the money in hand either.
You having a new PayPal account complicates matters, but there is always a solution.
Your bidding was driven by an Overseas Buyer and the strength of his currency over our dollar.
Once you got the 1st $500 and/or provided a shipping track#, there would always be the risk of a credit card chargeback.
Our offer was to net you out on the French transaction so you would not have to compromise yourself with the Buyer's requirement to underdeclare the value of the shipment.
Now you put it back up for sale?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | dleegblue,
Why would you want to relist on Ebay and have to pay the fees again and deal with buyers who want to use Paypal, when you have an OFC member (noah) who is willing to work things out with you?
Always nice to keep it in the family! :p |
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Let's keep in the family.
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