Ever wonder what if ???
samova
Posted 2005-02-03 4:40 PM (#164611)
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Have you ever wondered what if someone built a slothead adamas with carved headstock,heel and bridge and then made it with traditional back and sides.Here are some pics of a project a luthier is doing..

Mahogany neck,flame koa binding,rosewood back and sides,ebony fingerbaord

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_58858_pic2.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_58752_pic1.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_58908_pic3.jpg
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-03 4:51 PM (#164612 - in reply to #164611)
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I remember talking to you about that project!

Keep us updated as progress continues. Sounds like a really cool idea.
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samova
Posted 2005-02-03 5:07 PM (#164613 - in reply to #164611)
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Stephen,hopefully it will turn out well and sound great..here are more pics

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_61334_pic1.jpg


http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_61420_pic2.jpg
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cliff
Posted 2005-02-03 5:12 PM (#164614 - in reply to #164611)
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. . . but that's not an Adamas top . .
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samova
Posted 2005-02-03 5:17 PM (#164615 - in reply to #164611)
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Great observation cliff!! Just kidding.
The theme of the guitar is all wooden adamas.The top is actually an ovation spruce top that has been sitting around(aging) for about20- 25 years.I(we) selected it from about 6 i have.This one was the best top with the streightest grain.When the luthier thumped it just right it made cool noises that he understood while i stood there scratching my head..
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Mr. Adamas
Posted 2005-02-03 5:25 PM (#164616 - in reply to #164611)
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sounds like good project, but it ain't adamas =)
the secret is in the bracing. is it your new toy? wonder how it compares to your adamas or alvarez.

did ovation or kaman ever file patent for the top design or looks?
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samova
Posted 2005-02-03 7:25 PM (#164617 - in reply to #164611)
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I have no idea what it will sound like but i dont expect or want it to sound like an adamas.After all, i have several adami and dont want another to be the same.This will have a unique bracing system based on the "Kasha" bracing pattern,not the adamas quanted.Again this guitar might sound like "dog poo" but i have a strong hunch it wont.The guitar is an experinment to see how the ovation multi sounhole design works with rosewood back and sides.I'll keep updating the guitar in progress and give a full report when its done.
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an4340
Posted 2005-02-03 7:44 PM (#164618 - in reply to #164611)
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Samova, what's your luthier's name?
As they say, don't keep your luthier under a bushel. Or something like that.
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samova
Posted 2005-02-03 8:34 PM (#164619 - in reply to #164611)
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His name is Brian Hendley,a very nice guy who really knows guitar building.If you got to dreamguitars.com and look under up and coming builders it talks about him.His guitars sell for around $4500-$5000 and sell quickly due to the unique voicing and bracing pattern he uses.
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samova
Posted 2005-02-09 10:36 PM (#164620 - in reply to #164611)
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update on project.Sides are bent with flame koa binding and ready for back and top.Body is usuall ovation shape.Epaulettes are being inlayed rather than surface mounted to top.


http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_80750_ova2.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_80113_ova1.jpg
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Nils
Posted 2005-02-10 12:27 AM (#164621 - in reply to #164611)
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This is fun to watch Samova, thanks. I always wondered how they bent the sides. I'm looking forward to the next installment.
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samova
Posted 2005-02-10 12:06 PM (#164622 - in reply to #164611)
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few more pics here.Also more on my gallery under "project"

pics of epaulets routed and inlayed.
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_42839_pic1.jpg


http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_42942_pic3.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_42882_pic2.jpg
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samova
Posted 2005-02-10 12:16 PM (#164623 - in reply to #164611)
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couple more

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_43935_pic6.jpg


http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_43891_pic5.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_43988_pic7.jpg
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Legend-LX-Fan
Posted 2005-02-10 12:37 PM (#164624 - in reply to #164611)
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Sam, the flamed koa binding is a great chioce. I have always like wood binding on a guitar. The 1537 Elites had wood binding, and it really set that guitar apart as far as looks. When do you expect this project guitar to be completed?
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seesquare
Posted 2005-02-10 1:06 PM (#164625 - in reply to #164611)
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looks like he's making good progress, so far. At this rate, about a month, I'd say.
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samova
Posted 2005-02-10 1:10 PM (#164626 - in reply to #164611)
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Paul, i also love wood binding.At first i thought flame maple but decided along with the luthier to go with koa.I expect the project to take about 4 months.The neck will probably take the longest due to the fact that he is hand carving the heel to match the early slotheads.The headstock carving and bridge i already have so its a matter of blueing it to the top and neck.There will also be two strips of graphite under the fingerboard for reinforcementnect to the trus rod on each side.Had to sneak some graphite in there somewhere.
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Mr. Adamas
Posted 2005-02-10 1:50 PM (#164627 - in reply to #164611)
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wow, good progress! good taste!! koa binding is better than maple. try flame maple on the side & back on the next one =)

mr. kaman's so smart to make guitar with round "plastic" bowl. a lot cheaper, faster & easier to make guitar. no wonder martin & taylor cost so much more =)
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samova
Posted 2005-06-15 10:24 PM (#164628 - in reply to #164611)
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To those of you who have kept up with this wooden Adamas project.An update. here are a few more pics of the body which is almost ready to be completely assembled.Next the neck.
for more complete update,go to the member picture gallary under samova and click "project"

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_79409_pic2.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_79572_pic5.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_79708_pic6.jpg

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_79466_pic3.jpg
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cholloway
Posted 2005-06-16 6:52 AM (#164629 - in reply to #164611)
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Nice looking project Sam. I'd be very interested in seeing/hearing this one once you get it home.
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Beal
Posted 2005-06-16 8:16 AM (#164630 - in reply to #164611)
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It will be interesting to see how the sound turns out. I remember Kasha from the Gibson Mark series acoustics and they were the soak through your new carpet runny dog spoo. Hope yours is better.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-06-16 9:15 AM (#164631 - in reply to #164611)
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Nothing like the smell of freshly ground Koa in the morning! Or was that Kona?

Very interesting bracing configuration.
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Posted 2005-06-16 9:47 AM (#164632 - in reply to #164611)
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I think Koa is ground but Kona is crumbled! :cool:
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samova
Posted 2005-06-16 3:07 PM (#164633 - in reply to #164611)
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Bill, its not really all the kasha bracing.Its a hybrid.Its traditional "X" bracing with some of the kasha bracing.Braced ligher on one side ,stiffer on the other.
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samova
Posted 2005-06-16 3:19 PM (#164634 - in reply to #164611)
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Here's a pic of the top with binding on the inlayed epaulets(this was not easy).Top is ready for final sanding and clean up..

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_54867_pic8.jpg
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Legend-LX-Fan
Posted 2005-06-17 1:17 AM (#164635 - in reply to #164611)
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Sam, that is one awesome project you have going here. Do you have a time when you think the guitar will be complete? I look forward to pictures and your report on how it sounds.
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an4340
Posted 2005-06-17 9:12 AM (#164636 - in reply to #164611)
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What kind of finish will you use? Same finish for the neck? The wood for the backs and sides look rich. At a minimum, it'll be a beautiful guitar.
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samova
Posted 2005-06-17 4:10 PM (#164637 - in reply to #164611)
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an4340 ,The finish will be same as martin.I dont want to use the poly finish like Ovation.I have also considered doing a graphite top adamas project with rosewood back and sides..Still waiting for this one to end before i decide to start the next one..Paul, good to hear from you.Have not seen you around here in a while.
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BruDeV
Posted 2005-06-17 7:55 PM (#164638 - in reply to #164611)
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If you start another project you might consider using one of these in the neck:

Moses Truss Rod Channel
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samova
Posted 2005-07-08 3:59 PM (#164639 - in reply to #164611)
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Update on project...Back is on sides.Top will be on next week.Back has 15degree radius and top 12 degree..

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_57015_bh1.jpg

First phase of the neck begins.Five pieces of lamination are glued together(honduran mahogany and ebony).

http://www.ovationfanclub.com/photos/samova_57145_bh2.jpg
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stephent28
Posted 2005-07-08 4:01 PM (#164640 - in reply to #164611)
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Sam, did you spec every detail out or has the luthier contributed his thoughts to the materials used.
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samova
Posted 2005-07-08 4:03 PM (#164641 - in reply to #164611)
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Some info on the builder of the adamas project..

http://www.gtrs4u.com/BrianHendley.htm

http://www.dreamguitars.com/instock_hendley.htm

http://www.dreamguitars.com/upcoming.htm
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samova
Posted 2005-07-08 4:14 PM (#164642 - in reply to #164611)
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Stephen,i had specific things i wanted on this guitar.It had to have the carved bridge,heel and headstock and the apelettes.In other words it has to look like a wooden adamas.When someone sees it from the front they will say its an ovation.Then when you flip it around it will be of course a bit like a 000 style martin..I specified the East Indian rosewood sides and back,even hand picked it out of about 25 sets he had.The top is an original AAA ovation top from the 70's that been sitting at my home.The rest is up to him.He has freedom on the bracing and guts of the guitar.The finish will be laquer..Check out the links above and read about Brian.He is going to a great builder for years to come.Bill Kaman take note and call this guy.You will want one of his guitars.Everyone who has ever played one is amazed at the tone,sustain and quality.Im very sure mine will sound great as well.He is doing an amazing job building my guitar with all my special features and requests..
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Posted 2005-07-22 9:04 PM (#164643 - in reply to #164611)
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UPDATE:Top glued to body



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samova
Posted 2005-07-22 9:29 PM (#164644 - in reply to #164611)
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Ready for the router to trim off the extra wood around the sides.



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stephent28
Posted 2005-07-23 12:08 AM (#164645 - in reply to #164611)
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Looking very sweet Sam. Love the updates!
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Posted 2005-07-23 11:18 AM (#164646 - in reply to #164611)
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Yum.
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Brian Hendley
Posted 2005-07-25 7:07 AM (#164647 - in reply to #164611)
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Thanks to Sam and everyone else interested in our little project.Things are going fine and I'm hoping to get quite a bit done this week. This koa binding is screaming at me as I type. I'm trying to get Sam to let me inlay some diamonds in the headstock to "Bling Bling" it up a little but I don't think he's going for it. If you have any unwanted loose gemstones lying about send them to me and maybe we can change his mind.
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samova
Posted 2005-07-25 3:11 PM (#164648 - in reply to #164611)
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Hey Brian, thanks for joining the board..Maybe you can answer some questions that some of the OFC memebers might have about the "wood slothead adamas" project or about guitar building in general..Heres my question? WHEN THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO FINISH!! :D :D :D
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MWoody
Posted 2005-07-25 3:23 PM (#164649 - in reply to #164611)
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That was good Sam!

On topic, The pegheads of Ovations have customarily been void of "Bling", unlike the M's, G's, T's and the other G's. I would consider it to be "sacred ground", especially if a carved head were the case.

The back of the peghead, on the other hand, is just plain ignored! May I suggest a delicate inlay of "Olive Branch" to signify Peace and Provision.

Save the Palm Tree for another project!
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samova
Posted 2005-07-25 3:39 PM (#164650 - in reply to #164611)
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He was just kidding about the diamonds and "bling" on the adamas project.The last thing i want on this guitar is anything like abalone or flash.The theme is "wood",thats why i chose rosewood side and back,flame koa binding,spruce top and mahogany and maple neck..The headstock will look like a slothead adamas and the carved heal will be hand carved by Brian to match teh original..No flash no bling here just beautiful woods...
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Posted 2005-07-25 3:54 PM (#164651 - in reply to #164611)
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...no Palm Tree?

Oh.

It will be a seriously beautiful instrument I am sure. ;)
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Posted 2005-07-25 4:20 PM (#164652 - in reply to #164611)
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OK ,one palm tree wouldn't hurt anything..how about across the top below the bridge?
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Posted 2005-07-25 4:34 PM (#164653 - in reply to #164611)
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Beautiful project Sam. Do you have a name for the guitar yet? You already have a "wood top Adamas' now you have a "wood back and sides Adamas". :)
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Posted 2005-07-25 4:44 PM (#164654 - in reply to #164611)
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Adamas backwards would be a "Samada" . . . .


;)
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Posted 2005-07-25 4:58 PM (#164655 - in reply to #164611)
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I think ovation knew this and thats why they named the guitar "adamas" after me.

Hey did you know that Cliff backwords is "ffilc" which has no connection with anything. :D :D
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Posted 2005-07-25 5:11 PM (#164656 - in reply to #164611)
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Actually,

Cliff backwards means the llama somehow got pointed in the wrong direction.
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Posted 2005-07-25 9:51 PM (#164657 - in reply to #164611)
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First, our pal Sam tells you guys this guitar I'm building for him "Might sound like poo!"....Now, he uses this place as a public forum to pressure me. "When the hell am I going to finish?!!!!!!" How can I finish when you keep adding all of these extravagant details like the trucker mudflap lady fretmarker inlays? I need a nap.
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Posted 2005-07-26 12:41 AM (#164658 - in reply to #164611)
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Brian,

He's just trying to lower our expectations for it...and keep us from breaking into your shop the day before he arrives to pick it up.
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Posted 2005-09-01 7:20 PM (#164659 - in reply to #164611)
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project progress....Check out the floating brace.Starts at sides floats to the middle and back to other side.



Back glued on to sides and top




Neck glued with two pieces of graphite on each side of trus rod.







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samova
Posted 2005-09-01 7:28 PM (#164660 - in reply to #164611)
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If all goes well in the next 28 days,look for this guitar at the slothead reunion...
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samova
Posted 2005-09-07 8:24 PM (#164661 - in reply to #164611)
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I posted this pic in another topic earlier but here is another pic of the project still under way..

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cholloway
Posted 2005-09-09 1:02 AM (#164662 - in reply to #164611)
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Looks like one hell of a gitfiddle Brian's making for you!
On the "nekkid lady mudflap fretmarker inlays"...
you goin' with chrome or stainless?
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samova
Posted 2005-09-10 5:51 AM (#164663 - in reply to #164611)
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Colin,i may end up going to the factory with this one if its done before the 30th...Sorry,no fingerboard inlays on this one..Here is some more progress..

fingerboard slotted for frets.



dovetale is routed for neck.

Flame koa binding is set and glued




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samova
Posted 2005-09-10 6:45 AM (#164664 - in reply to #164611)
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one more of koa glued and inlayed on bottom side..
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MWoody
Posted 2005-09-10 10:48 AM (#164665 - in reply to #164611)
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This looks good Sam!

Will Brian be able to fill 5 more orders prior to Christmas? :eek:
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samova
Posted 2005-09-10 11:50 AM (#164666 - in reply to #164611)
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5 before christmas is a piece of cake..He ads help for the holiday season..He hires elves...OOOPS! ,i mean little people..

All kidding aside this is turning out to be a very cool looking guitar!The wood back ,koa binding is really complementing the epauletts..
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samova
Posted 2005-09-11 1:49 AM (#164667 - in reply to #164611)
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OK, lots of progress on the body by Brian today.All binding on.Next filling the pourse of the wood, more sanding and about 9 coats of laquer










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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-09-11 7:28 AM (#164668 - in reply to #164611)
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Where are you going to put the access panel?


;)
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samova
Posted 2005-09-11 8:37 AM (#164669 - in reply to #164611)
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Just like the original slothead adamas models ,there will be no access panel.There are no electronics and the trus rod is on the headstock side as it was on the original guitars..
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Posted 2005-09-11 9:00 AM (#164670 - in reply to #164611)
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Hello Sam,
Maybe it's at trick of the light but the body looks very jumbo. Did you use a mathamatical equation to figure the total square inches of soundhole vs. total cubic inches of body displacement to determine the size of the soundholes? Or perhaps you just took the area that the body would need for a single hole and made the multi-hole area the same?
Or did you just wing it?
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Posted 2005-09-11 9:34 AM (#164671 - in reply to #164611)
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Brad,the body is the same as an ovation body maybe slighty smaller by 1/8 of an inch all the way around.The spruce top is a top that was already cut to the ovation shape and size as i got the top from ovation.It was sitting at my home for several years and probably at the factory several years before that.There was no formula done as far as the body.The body depth is a typical dred depth..
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Posted 2005-09-11 11:01 AM (#164672 - in reply to #164611)
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Things are moving fast and furious at Brian's shop.He stays up till 4am working on the "project" ..


here's a pic of the pore filler applied to the guitar.



next the neck.Heel carving coming soon..



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samova
Posted 2005-09-23 9:39 PM (#164673 - in reply to #164611)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder what if ???


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very early stage of the neck and headstock detail.Still a lot of wood to be trimmed and shaved.Lots and lots of sanding.The two black lines on the neck are graphite strips for reinforcement..



Here is the first rough cut of the carved heel.It will look much nicer when he begins to shape it and finalize all the lines and details.Still a bit of wood to be removed to shape it.

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samova
Posted 2005-09-23 9:54 PM (#164674 - in reply to #164611)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder what if ???


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This is the guy i have entrusted to build my dream guitar..OH SHIT!!! :eek: Actually Brian is doing a great job and really has the talent to do this type of thing,goofy hat and all.Not many Luthiers would have takin the time away from building their own guitar models to take on a project like this

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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-09-23 9:58 PM (#164675 - in reply to #164611)
Subject: Re: Ever wonder what if ???



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wonderfull work...now for the Greek flag
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