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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-04 4:26 PM (#164437)
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# 35 was to be delivered today by UPS (San Diego), arrived Vernon, CA - held; status "Exception."

UPS will get back to me this afternoon as to why.

So, possibly damaged or a security factor with this or other packages.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-04 4:37 PM (#164438 - in reply to #164437)
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Yikes,Tony!

I'm hoping it was the smell of Alpep's homeopathic linaments that made the Dog's nose take notice!

Keep us posted.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-04 4:38 PM (#164439 - in reply to #164437)
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I've had packages "Held By Exception" twice with UPS. One time the package was smashed to shit and totally destroyed. The other time the DEA beagles were a little too interested. Dave
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-04 5:00 PM (#164440 - in reply to #164437)
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re: smashed to shit

let's hope not :confused:
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Paul Wag
Posted 2005-02-04 5:09 PM (#164441 - in reply to #164437)
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:mad:
I can't stande the suspense....
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-04 5:29 PM (#164442 - in reply to #164437)
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Way to go Dave!
Couldn't you just say something positive like "But the Brownies were still good"!

I'd like to think it was shipped between a couple of Fender Stratacoustics and the OHSC took all the latent energy!

Hopefully a good story with a better ending.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-04 5:46 PM (#164443 - in reply to #164437)
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just got a call from UPS - the gal used to be my driver, she remembers all of the guitars she's delivered ;)

she doesn't know...just said something about the trailer, haven't seen anything on the news.

just brings up images we have seen of a FedEx and UPS truck

oops
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-04 5:56 PM (#164444 - in reply to #164437)
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Then I hope that nobody was hurt. In the end its all just stuff.


And if its paid for... you might have to get two... :rolleyes:
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-04 7:26 PM (#164445 - in reply to #164437)
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course, it could have come by air...

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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-02-04 8:02 PM (#164446 - in reply to #164437)
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Tony,
i'm glad you've still got you're sense of humor. I'm on Day 5 of my Quit Smoking program and i'm not so sure I'd have it. But hey, Now that I think about it, what else can you do?
Hope it all turns out well!
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-04 8:40 PM (#164447 - in reply to #164437)
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Steve - Quitter!

Good job!

So $3 a day for 365 days = $1095 or the Price of a New LX every year you stay a quitter!
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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-02-04 11:31 PM (#164448 - in reply to #164437)
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Maybe I can talk my wife into letting me buy a 6 string Ovation. It's been a real chore of late.
But we'll keep trying.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2005-02-04 11:55 PM (#164449 - in reply to #164437)
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Stay on it Steve ... I'm a tad over three months into my latest non-smoking phase. I am focused on this being the last time I need to quit in my life. One bad thing is that I can't smoke any cigars for a while ... until at least there's no lingering urge.

I like Woody's little math exercise. Too bad I wasn't a 2 pack-a-day smoker ... here in California that would add up to a #47 reissue a year.
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willard
Posted 2005-02-05 6:20 AM (#164450 - in reply to #164437)
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Keep it up Steve! You need to get a commitment from her on the guitar NOW! I gave up a 3 pack habit about 3 years ago and I think we ended up with a basement remodel
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-05 8:40 AM (#164451 - in reply to #164437)
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Come to the Texas OFC Gathering and you can play one, Steve!
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seesquare
Posted 2005-02-05 8:45 AM (#164452 - in reply to #164437)
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I'm close to 10 years "into the mission", and nobody's dead yet. Cheap advice, but make sure you develop a habitual behavior that is incompatible with smoking behavior. Like jogging, or some other thing that is directly affected by the frequency of the addictive behavior. Eseentially, you substitute one compulsive behavior, for another. It's OK, everybody's "strung out" on something, anyway. I took up tennis after a 23-year hiatus. Really sped up the pulmonary rehab, too.
Now, back to our regularly-scheduled program......I'm turning various shades of green, visualizing the permanent grin Tony must have with his new acquisition. Keep the faith, Guys- we're all bozos on the same bus!
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2005-02-05 11:17 AM (#164453 - in reply to #164437)
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Gosh, you guys just about got me convinced to increase to two packs a day so that maybe I can quit and afford a 2005 Collectors next year!

:rolleyes:
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-05 5:48 PM (#164454 - in reply to #164437)
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Tony!

How's it going? :(
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-07 2:38 PM (#164455 - in reply to #164437)
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Mine is on its way from Al. Should be here by Friday (I hope)!!!


:D :)
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ChatMan
Posted 2005-02-07 3:29 PM (#164456 - in reply to #164437)
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Originally posted by MWoody:
Steve - Quitter!

Good job!

So $3 a day for 365 days = $1095 or the Price of a New LX every year you stay a quitter!


Oh crap, I quit 12 years ago, I can only get a crummy Balladeer.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-07 4:15 PM (#164457 - in reply to #164437)
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Got in # 35 - safe and sound.
Has the OP-Pro with XLR!! I understood it was coming w/o XLR. BUY IT!!

I had originally called it a "plain Jane" from the pictures. It is eloquent in its simplicity. The Englemann spruce, inlaid abalone and ivory rosette, ebony fingerboard, and ebony bridge - nice.

I forgot to check out the bowl until I had tuned it...not as radical as I thought. Comfortable feel and, as we know, great features for the engineering department. Only 2005 model with the new bowl. For the deep bowl guys like myself, no problem - great projection.

As to the quality of construction - great. Setup is great - intonnation at 12th fret is perfect.

As to the "voice" - full and bright.

It is an improved LX!! IMHO, a lot better than the 1777LX I played for a couple of hours a few months ago.

My recommendation is buy it!! As far as I know, Al is the only source to get it now before about March. Stephen and Craig will soon have theirs.

No time as this is a busy day...know I will spend several hours with it tonight.
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derby
Posted 2005-02-07 5:01 PM (#164458 - in reply to #164437)
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Great news. Glad your newest addition arrived in good health (so to speak). Will you be posting pics to your "Gallery"...
For those of you that are thinking of quitting smoking. Try very hard. I am a double lung transplant recipient (not smoking related) and I thank God daily for that, but nothing can replace the originals. :)
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-07 5:12 PM (#164459 - in reply to #164437)
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Glad to hear it tony!

Hurry up and slow down!
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-07 7:14 PM (#164460 - in reply to #164437)
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OP-Pro, with XLR

Posted some pictures in Gallery, here's a couple of them:



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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-07 7:16 PM (#164461 - in reply to #164437)
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and, again the beautiful rosette

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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-07 7:40 PM (#164462 - in reply to #164437)
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STOP IN TONY! I GOTTA WAIT UNTIL MONDAY LIKE YOU DID!
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Paul Wag
Posted 2005-02-07 7:53 PM (#164463 - in reply to #164437)
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S--w-e-e-e-e-e-t-t

:D
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Mr. Adamas
Posted 2005-02-07 8:08 PM (#164464 - in reply to #164437)
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beautiful guitar!! lucky u -)

the new rosette design looks good, but it looks like a taylor w/ abalone rosette. almost direct copy!

the original ovation rosette is the most beautiful rosette in the world. hope ovation will keep it.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-07 8:24 PM (#164465 - in reply to #164437)
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I believe the 30th Anniv was the last of the older style rosettes...as far as this rosette (abalone & ivory), very nice - enhances but doesn't take away from the Englemann spruce. Pictures don't do it justice.

Distinctive, will never be confused with a Taylor in appearance, pre-amp, or as an acoustic.

;) :p ;)
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-02-07 8:47 PM (#164466 - in reply to #164437)
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Ovation is using the old rosettes on their tradional series guitars (Legends, Balladeers, etc).

Tony, how does it compare to your 30th CL and to your 1537?
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-07 11:11 PM (#164467 - in reply to #164437)
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Been too busy answering emails concerning the guitar to play it much...it isn't a 30th Anniv or a 1537 and can't be compared with either. Both are classic in their own right. It can, however, stand in the same company.

It is the closest to the deep bowl, AAA spruce, OP-Pro w/XLR, center hole, cutaway Al DiMeola ADII. And, that is saying a lot!

Background - I had the 2004 ADII DiMeola for two weeks. Played it a lot. Then, I sold it to Jim, Serge's performing partner. I did it because Jim was told by the factory that he would have to wait months and, IMHO, the guitar should be on stage. I was in the process of getting another ADII.

Then, I got the Collector's in today...called Al this afternoon and told him that I wasn't going to order the DiMeola.

The Collector's is that good. You don't need to play it for hours. Pick up a guitar...it looks good, feels good (weight, gloss neck, balance), run through some "cowboy chords", a few barr chords, some scales - you know you have a great guitar. With the XLR, it is obvious that Ovation designed it for the stage.

Get a chance like Stephen (and me) to get a 1537, 30th Anniv CL, and Collector's - go for it. You'll never be satisfied with only part of the collection.

30th Anniv CL is still my favorite ;) :p ;)

Ovation has a great future with the LX and new bowl, worthy of the past. My compliments to the crew at the mother ship. Thanks Al, Paul, Dave, and Matt for checking it out and giving us feedback. I wasn't going to get it until I heard their endorsements.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-07 11:54 PM (#164468 - in reply to #164437)
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Hopefully mine will show up tomorrow or Wednesday and I will also be able to give a comparative review of "THE ELITE 3" :D

Actually, I am torn with which guitars will belong to that magical group. I pulled out my '91 1681 Adamas II tonight and played it for about 1/2 hour, then the 1537, then the 30th CL, then back to the 1681. The 1681 fits right in and trys real hard to climb to the top.

If I had to rate them right now while each is fresh in my mind.........

30th CL...definately the easiest to play with a smooth trebly sound and a nice bottom.

1537...more difficult neck to play but a fuller woody sound that is slightly bottom heavy but with a crystal clear top.

1681...neck is very similar to the 1537 and plays just about the same. Has a very even sound across the board. Good highs w/excellent lows and a crisp mid.

Each is a beauty in its own way. The 30th CL is definately my choice for fingerpicking and the other two would be my choice for strumming or flatpicking.

Where will the '05 fit into this wonderful mix. :cool:

The beauty of the "O"s...great versatilty for a great price :)
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-08 12:03 PM (#164469 - in reply to #164437)
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Al,

How many do you have in stock now for immediate shipment?

So far, I see the following OFC'ers have one or in shipment:

Me, Stephen, and Craig...any others?
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-08 2:33 PM (#164470 - in reply to #164437)
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Ladies and Gentlemen (and the rest of you...)

Al has two 2005 Collector's IN STOCK, his price (as usual) was the best I saw and you don't have to wait until March!!

He also has two FRG 2005 Collector's coming in next week - that has got to be a great deal!!

Played mine for a couple of hours last night - sweet!!
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-09 8:59 AM (#164471 - in reply to #164437)
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A guy can only take so much torture before he cracks ... I just signed up for the three step program. 1) pick up phone, 2) give Al your credit card number, 3) wait for the UPS truck to arrive. God, please help me and all those who I come in contact with. Dave
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-10 12:54 AM (#164472 - in reply to #164437)
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So standingo, did you order one? :D
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-10 6:45 AM (#164473 - in reply to #164437)
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Originally posted by Hizzoner:
So standingo, did you order one?


Whatta YOU think ???

Historically I have not been a fan of "new" just for the sake of "new". The old shiny bowls and adamas are fine for me. Over the past few years have gotton rid of almost all the other k-bars, shallows, v-braces, etc. in the collection. None of them were "special" and more than a few of them actually sounded terrible. Never a fan of the collectors series in general. The only one I owned was the little '97 but got rid of that in favor of non-Ovation small body. The FD14 has been the only "new" product I really latched onto. I was impressed with the idea and progress of the LX series but had no desire to own any of them.

But then this '05 Collector comes along. On paper seems to have all the right ingredients. Then played it at NAMM and was mightily impressed. Although never considered that I should get one. Then the reviews start rolling in from more and more people playing and owning them. I convinced myself that this was going to be BIG! The contour bowl will take over the line. I predict for 3-5 years that Ovation will try to hold onto the original bowl shape as the "traditional series" or "vintage re-issues", blah, blah, blah. But it'll never work. The writing is one the wall. The contour is THAT good and it will just steamroll anything in its path. So imagine 30 years from the now the collectable value of the FIRST contour model obtained in the first month of availability ??? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Plus for the next 30 years I've got a damn nice guitar to play with.

Dave
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2005-02-10 6:57 PM (#164474 - in reply to #164437)
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Great looking guitar... but what's with that big hole in the middle of the top? Sure they dressed it up, but sheesh... you'd think for that amount of money it wouldn't have hole in it.

Just kidding... nice guitar enjoy.
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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-02-11 8:08 AM (#164475 - in reply to #164437)
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You mean that guitar has a hole in it???
Now i wonder why that is????!! ;)
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dmkozak
Posted 2005-02-11 9:38 AM (#164476 - in reply to #164437)
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Tony, does the contour bowl "feel" different than, say, an LX mid-bowl when sitting or standing? Is the contour bowl more comfortable to play than an LX mid? (I know it sounds great, and that's reason enough to get one. Just wondering if it "feels" any different than an LX bowl.)
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-11 10:55 AM (#164477 - in reply to #164437)
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Mine is still due to arrive Monday!!! Gettin' more excited about it every day!
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-11 2:15 PM (#164478 - in reply to #164437)
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Mine is due to arrive today...just waiting on UPS.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-11 2:18 PM (#164479 - in reply to #164437)
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Monday for me. It's going to be a looooong weekend.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-11 3:03 PM (#164480 - in reply to #164437)
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Very l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng weekend... :(
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Posted 2005-02-11 3:11 PM (#164481 - in reply to #164437)
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Thet thar's a rat purdy geetar. :cool:
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Posted 2005-02-11 3:14 PM (#164482 - in reply to #164437)
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JUST ARRIVED ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO :D :D :D .

What a week this has been.

1st in line and grabbed an FD14 :cool:

Traded one of my '97 collectors for a MINT PREACHER 12 string ;)

My '05 Collector arrived.....I am waiting another 1/2 hour to let it acclimate from the outside Colorado temp to the inside my house temp before I open it up (oh the agony!) but then I will post my first impressions

What a great week....I must have done something good and the man upstairs noticed. Now if I could only win the lottery.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-02-11 3:41 PM (#164483 - in reply to #164437)
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Hell, with all that buying we thought you had won the lottery!

Congrats! Let us know how the 05 stacks up against your other guitars.
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Posted 2005-02-11 5:25 PM (#164484 - in reply to #164437)
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Congrats stephen,
Enjoy the 05. Wish I had the cash to get one. Hell, I just wish i had the cash for a 6 string Ovation Period!
I have an 1858 12 String that I absolutely LOVE!
Wouldn't part with it. But I sure wish I had a 6 String.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-11 5:30 PM (#164485 - in reply to #164437)
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'05 DELAY - I AM BUMMED. I mis-read the UPS notices. The package arriving on Monday is guitar STANDS. The '05 arrives on Wednesday! Well, at least the weekend will go a little quicker.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-11 7:04 PM (#164486 - in reply to #164437)
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Bummer Dave....but in the mean time you can listen to Tony and I (and after Monday Hizzoner) wax on and on about the wonders of the '05
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Posted 2005-02-11 7:05 PM (#164487 - in reply to #164437)
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Steve, send me an email and we can discuss a few 6 string options on a friendly payment plan. Had to see anybody do without a 6-string "O" when some of us can maybe help! ;)
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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-02-11 9:00 PM (#164488 - in reply to #164437)
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Stephen,
I sent you a privatem message and an email.
Be on the lookout.
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Posted 2005-02-11 10:48 PM (#164489 - in reply to #164437)
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OK...here it comes.....

1st, I was told that the serial number would be low 3 digit....this meant to me maybe 104, 110, 120, etc.....

SN = #021 :D Unbelievable!

2nd. It is probably the most comfortable Ovation I have ever played from the feel of the body up against me. The contoured bowl really has a cozy, snug fit to it and it feels very secure..no chance of it slipping off!

3rd. The looks are very plain yet elegant. The single abalone on the 12 fret is very subtle yet has a quite beauty to it and the rosette radiates the various colors very nicely. Very Stately and Regal!

4th. The sound is big and full...much bigger than the bowl size would suggest. The neck plays very nice and I found that running leads or scales was effortless. The neck did seem a bit longer to me than some of the other "O"s that I have. I know this is just an illusion I can't explain but I did feel that it was a bit more difficult to play open chords than on some of my other "O"s. The projection is outstanding and plugged in to an acoustic amp just sounded fantastic! Again, I found myself running lead lines for what seemed about 5 minutes but what was in reality about 30 minutes.....it was that smooth and effortless.

5th How does it compare to the 30th Anniversary Legend, 1537, and 1681. Well, it is certainly in the same neighborhood but maybe just a notch below. I may change my mind after I have played it for a few weeks/months and let the sound come alive a little more. The open chording is still weirding me out....maybe just the way I was playing today and tomorrow it might feel fantastic.

OVERALL, the '05 is a definite grab. Great guitar for the money and it absolutely will find a place in my rotation. If you get a chance to own one, don't hesitate.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-11 11:21 PM (#164490 - in reply to #164437)
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Stephen, congrats...shows that Kaman has held some back instead of shipping them to satisfy pre-orders.

The guy in charge of the NAMM auction specifically said that he didn't have the guitar but Kaman was sending it and it would be in the 100's.

I'm okay with the #035 but the other guys should have gotten lower numbers than those in the 100's. UNSAT!
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Posted 2005-02-12 10:10 AM (#164491 - in reply to #164437)
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Tony,

I was definately shocked by #21, especially since I was told it would be in the low hundreds.

I am not so sure that the guitar I received maybe wasn't the one on display at NAMM. It would explain the lower serial number and also the fact that it shipped out to me almost a week after they said it would.

Does anyone that went to NAMM and played the guitar remember looking at the serial number?

Anyway, I totally agree that the people that placed the '05 on preorder should be receiving the lowest serials. I wonder how much the size of the order plays into it. Maybe the overseas market says "I will place an order for 100 of the '05 collectors but I must received at least 75 of the first 100 made".

Oh well, happy to get it, play it, and own it :) . A very nice guitar.
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-02-12 10:19 AM (#164492 - in reply to #164437)
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Mixed emotions - Happy for you guys, but sad that I can't play along. Kind of like being a sick kid looking out the window at all the other's playing kick-ball. Sucks.

My memory might be cloudy on this one, but I don't think the '05 at NAMM had a serial number. At least not the one I played (I think there were 2 of them). Maybe I'm wrong. I don't get too hung up on serial numbers. Well, maybe the LAST one would be the most special. At least in my line of work, you don't want the first few serial numbers of anything - trust me!

Meanwhile I'll just sit here gazing at all these "old fashioned" guitars around me and dream of you guys with your new toys. Sure hope mom lets me out of the house to join the kick-ball game soon.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-02-12 10:25 AM (#164493 - in reply to #164437)
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There were 3 of them at NAMM and I didn't look at the serial numbers at all. Sorry.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-14 10:38 AM (#164494 - in reply to #164437)
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Hizzoner

I just bumped this thread up so it would be easier for you to find today so you can post your review....assuming your fingers still work after playing that new '05 for hours! :D
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-14 11:34 AM (#164495 - in reply to #164437)
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Thanks stephent. It's still on the truck for delivery... :eek:
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-14 6:18 PM (#164496 - in reply to #164437)
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Alas... I am home from work ... and the UPS guy is not here yet... :(

EDIT:

It is here. Back in a bit. :D :) :cool:
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-14 7:09 PM (#164497 - in reply to #164437)
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Dang armordillos get in the way everytime!
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-02-14 7:19 PM (#164498 - in reply to #164437)
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this might be dangerous on Valentine's Day...
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-14 8:27 PM (#164499 - in reply to #164437)
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If I didn't already know how this story was gonna turn out, I would be sitting on the edge of my seat ;) waiting to read the review!
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-14 11:43 PM (#164500 - in reply to #164437)
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Almost 5 hours later and no response from Hizzoner.

Either a political crisis has come up or the man is too busy playing his new "O" to tell us about it!
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-14 11:45 PM (#164501 - in reply to #164437)
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I can almost hear it:

"The stars at night, they shine so bright..."
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noah
Posted 2005-02-15 12:27 AM (#164502 - in reply to #164437)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
The neck did seem a bit longer to me than some of the other "O"s that I have... bit more difficult to play open chords than on some of my other "O"s.


Stephen, Is it just when sitting? Could the contour be dictating a slight change in your normal playing position?
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-15 8:57 AM (#164503 - in reply to #164437)
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:( Well... my guitar was damaged during shipment, but Al is squaring me away. I will have to wait a bit longer to experience the joy ...
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stephent28
Posted 2005-02-15 9:24 AM (#164504 - in reply to #164437)
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Man that really sucks :(

UPS has seemed to be on a majpr tear lately.
I hope they don't screw up my FD14 that is due to arrive today. I don't think that one could be replaced quite as easily.

Good luck with the replacement. Good things come to those who wait :)
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MrDano
Posted 2005-02-15 10:00 AM (#164505 - in reply to #164437)
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I've never had a problem with cross border shipping so I've never worried too much about it until now!!

I got Al to ship out the "05" to me last week, and I'm trying hard not to track the journey - makes the time go by too slow! I hope to come home from work one day this week and be surprised to see the packing slip...

I suspect I'll have to work from home the next day!!!

Dano
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-15 10:08 AM (#164506 - in reply to #164437)
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Sorry to hear it Hizz.

For the tracking - post the Tracking number and we'll watch it for you!
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Slipkid
Posted 2005-02-15 10:45 AM (#164507 - in reply to #164437)
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Hizz...
That
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stinks!
I'd ask what happened but you are probably in no mood to post about it.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-18 10:04 AM (#164508 - in reply to #164437)
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A supervisor is FINALLY coming today to look at the damage.
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Slipkid
Posted 2005-02-18 10:21 AM (#164509 - in reply to #164437)
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I hope it works out okay, Hizz.
Trust in karma.
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alpep
Posted 2005-02-18 10:25 AM (#164510 - in reply to #164437)
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nothing to worry about I ship the mayor a new guitar either way.
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-18 10:34 AM (#164511 - in reply to #164437)
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Another good reason to go through a reputable Dealer!
The post about the Paypal retractions had me nervious here for a while. Many things can go sour but working with professionals has its payoff!

Thanks Al! I hope to be using you soon.

My Wife had a rare I'm-sorry-what-can-I-get-you moment the other day. I blurted out "shiny new red Adamas #47 remake". Not only did I ruin the moment but I think I gave SONAR a fixable target. :confused:
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-18 10:43 AM (#164512 - in reply to #164437)
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I have never doubted that AL would send me another guitar. He's a most honorable man. I just don't want him to get stuck when IMHO UPS damaged the guitar, so THEY should pay for it.

EDIT: I want to make it clear that I knew from the beginning when I talked to Al about the damage that he would replace it without a problem. I just don't want UPS to screw him over!
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Legend-LX-Fan
Posted 2005-02-18 10:47 AM (#164513 - in reply to #164437)
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You know it takes quite a bit to damage an Ovation that is in its case during shipping. What does UPS do to these guitars? Makes me wonder??????
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MWoody
Posted 2005-02-18 10:52 AM (#164514 - in reply to #164437)
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I have a sold guitar being delivered to EHRENBERG, AZ today and a bought guitar coming to me on Tuesday. All UPS and with insurance. I hope I never have to go through the processing for damage but they certianly charge enough to cover their mistakes. I hope all processes smoothly for you Hizz.

Am I too insensitive or nosy to ask what kind of damage was incurred?
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-02-18 1:13 PM (#164515 - in reply to #164437)
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MWoody: The top is cracked just adjacent to the seam from the purling up about four inches. Not a straight crack, but close. From the condition of the box, looks like something heavy was setting on it.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-03-02 9:37 AM (#164516 - in reply to #164437)
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My "new" new Collectors 05 came in yesterday. What a SAWE-E-E-ET guitar! Had a nice little jam session after a council meeting last night. This guitar really is the cat's meow! :cool:
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-02 9:53 AM (#164517 - in reply to #164437)
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Glad it all worked out for you, Hizz! :cool:

John.
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Paul Wag
Posted 2005-03-02 10:06 AM (#164518 - in reply to #164437)
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Way to go, man! :D

Post pics....
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-02 10:42 AM (#164519 - in reply to #164437)
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Give us the details of your likes and dislikes (if any).
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-02 10:51 AM (#164520 - in reply to #164437)
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Likes:

Holding hands.
Quiet walks on the beach.
Autumn.
Golden Retrievers.


Dislikes:

Rude people.
Traffic.
Noisy restaur . . . . . .


. .. . . oh, . . . .

your were referring to Hizz and his guitar . . .


. . . . sorry.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-02 11:04 AM (#164521 - in reply to #164437)
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No problem, Cliff. We're sure the two of you are happy, as well.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-02 11:05 AM (#164522 - in reply to #164437)
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Now Cliff,

I am moved and you have caused me to have certain "feelings" in a way that I shouldn't have.

Your acid tongue, sharp wit, and sarcastic meanderings makes me think we were best friends in a prior life.....or at least bandmates!
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-02 11:15 AM (#164523 - in reply to #164437)
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Well I DID play the lute (and a little psaltery) in a small road troupe in the 1460's . . .
I hope it wasn't that band . . . I owed most of 'em money . . . . thank God for the Plague.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-02 11:42 AM (#164524 - in reply to #164437)
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I think I heard you guys play in a cute little country inn, just before they burned it...
I seem to remember the llama tail soup was a little psaltery...
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-02 12:00 PM (#164525 - in reply to #164437)
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rimshot/cymbal.

"Say Goodnight, Gracie . . . "


Hizz;
Post some pics, will ya'??
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-03-02 12:02 PM (#164526 - in reply to #164437)
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I'll post some pics...
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-02 12:07 PM (#164527 - in reply to #164437)
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Thanks folks, we're here all week... try the veal.
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-02 12:11 PM (#164528 - in reply to #164437)
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Don't you mean mutton!!!
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-02 12:33 PM (#164529 - in reply to #164437)
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Oh, yeah, thanks Stephen... you know, 5 or 6 hundred years go by and you get your Artiodactyla all mixed up...
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-03-03 11:58 AM (#164530 - in reply to #164437)
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This is such an excellent guitar! I'm not a fan of natural, but this finish is sweet ... and I for one like the rosette design.

The bowl is very comfortable. SIts on my lap very well.

The tone is bright and clear. Intonation and setup is perfect.

Tonight I will need to plug it in!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2005-03-03 12:05 PM (#164531 - in reply to #164437)
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Goodninght Gracie.
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Piers
Posted 2005-03-03 12:16 PM (#164532 - in reply to #164437)
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Hizzoner

I look forward to seeing some photos, sounds like you have a very special instrument there.

Piers
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-03-03 4:55 PM (#164533 - in reply to #164437)
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My understanding is that Al still has one (yes, only one) FRG available now...

Advantages

1. warranty (5yrs)
2. available now with no wait
3. low number...why wait for #'s in the 600's
4. save a couple of bucks

snooze, you lose...
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-03 7:37 PM (#164534 - in reply to #164437)
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And based on testimony of two of our esteemed members, indistinguishable from a non-FRG model.
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fugot
Posted 2005-03-03 7:57 PM (#164535 - in reply to #164437)
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Hi, New 2005 on ebay , nice pics. here is link....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33029&item=7...

Not to open a can of worms or anything, Have any of the owners of the 2005 collectors noticed a buzzing when picking open "A" string, as if the wires are vibrating inside the bowl?

It looks like the neck sandwiching is thinner on the new model.
mike
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-03-03 10:51 PM (#164536 - in reply to #164437)
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nope...
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stephent28
Posted 2005-03-03 11:01 PM (#164537 - in reply to #164437)
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No buzz on mine ...
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rtmoose
Posted 2005-03-03 11:34 PM (#164538 - in reply to #164437)
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Nor on mine.
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fugot
Posted 2005-03-04 12:34 AM (#164539 - in reply to #164437)
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hi,
well, s/n 62 is all better. the wire from the pick up to the preamp had its end connector cover (at the preamp) come unscrewed. just had to reach in, slide the little cover back up the wire and screw it tight.
so here is my 1.5 cents worth, I love the tuner, very smooth, very easy to use. fit and finish is A+ ( loose wire cover not withstanding). tone and feel of custom legend, but sound seems a little more woody and projected. It is easy for me to finger chords, but neck does not seem wide. It is comfortable.
Overall, the guitar is easy to forget once I'm playing. Which I mean as a compliment. I just start playing and am not held back by guitar, just my skill level.
The contour bowl is comfortable and sounds more like a deep bowl then a mid bowl to me at least. englemen wood grain looks nice now and seems like it will age into a shimmery flame sort of pattern (s). I have not plugged in for electric test yet. If this is what spruce sounds like with a contour bowl, I am excited for a carbon top contour bowl.
Final judgement, even though i pre-ordered from local dealer the day before I found OFC (and hence Al) and paid local taxes, I am 100% happy with this purchase. job well done to New Hartford. mike
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Alaskan Fly Guy
Posted 2005-03-04 9:54 AM (#164540 - in reply to #164437)
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I agree with fugot with his review. I find the 2005 very easy to finger chords as well. I found that my fingers are getting pretty sore like I just started playing again? I thought it might be due to this thing just calling out to be played, I have added an hour or 2 to my dfaily playing time since I got it last week. Then I read in another thread that the frets are higher on the LX's (which the 2005 has)than other "O's" and that was the cause of fingers that were a little sorer than usual. Whatever it is it's great and I love it. The sound is much brighter than my Al DiMeola and like I said, plays much "cleaner" for me. As far as looks, Simple elegance pretty much says it all. The grain on mine is so fine that from 3 or 4 feet away it looks more like ivory than wood. Beautiful. When I plugged it in to my Genz-Benz to check it out I was amazed. My wife came into my music room to see which guitar I was playing and when she looked at me she just started to laugh. She said I had a look on my face that looked like I just had great sex! That's one hell of a guitar!!!
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Standingovation
Posted 2005-03-04 10:00 AM (#164541 - in reply to #164437)
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One thing I do notice about the 05C is that (at least on mine) the string spacing is a little tight at the nut. The nutwidth is the usual 1-11/16, but there is a pretty big gap on the outside between the high E string and the edge of the fretboard and low E and edge of the fretboard. Seems most of my other Ovations and Martins the E strings are a lot "closer to the edge" so to speak. Anyone else notice this? The only time it is an issue is on occasion I'll go to finger the low E with my thumb and won't quite hit it "right". But still 3 weeks into the process I'm loving the guitar big time.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2005-03-04 8:28 PM (#164542 - in reply to #164437)
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Dave...using my 6" scale, nope.

Hanging next to the 30th Anniv CL and the 1537...measured the same on bass and treble sides.

Something I did for the first time when I got it, capoed the 12th fret...tuner showed that it was perfect.

So, any fault in the song can only be blamed on the player.
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MrDano
Posted 2005-03-04 9:58 PM (#164543 - in reply to #164437)
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#106 is in my possession and I'm one happy camper. Every positive thing I've read so far - i agree with - except for the sore fingers. I find the '05 actually easier on my fingers than any other guitar I've played.

I ordered mine from Al - and he is indeed a true gentleman - Thanks Al!

Dano
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-03-07 9:38 AM (#164544 - in reply to #164437)
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I just can't put the darn thing down. I know I promised pictures, but when I start playing it, I can't put it down! Everything everyone has said is so true about this guitar!
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Strummin12
Posted 2005-03-07 10:44 AM (#164545 - in reply to #164437)
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I just got to try a Collector's '05 in Samash Saturday. Had a serious buzz in the bridge, so I'm going to hold off on first impression of the sound til my next shot at playing one. The bowl design was very comfortable though.

I was shocked to find one at Samash already. The acoustic room staff guy didn't even know they had it in! I was describing all the new features to my friend who was trying out an Elite standard LX (and was loving it!), and asked the staff guy if they had any new '05s in...he said no. About 15 mintues later I stumbled on it.

I hope I get to try another one soon.

Just for kicks I tried a $3,000 dollar Taylor twelve string...after one strum, my love for Ovation was totally reaffirmed.

Johnny
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fugot
Posted 2005-03-07 10:59 AM (#164546 - in reply to #164437)
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Johnny,
I wonder if the buzz was from another loose preamp wire connector cover? You can look into soundhole and see where wire is connected to preamp. It should have a litte black cover over the solder connection, if you can see the solder connection, there's the problem. It's a easy fix. Loosen up strings, reach in, slide connector up and rescrew connector back on.
I played my 2005 es today through small PA. It sounds great. Projects well and keeps it's tone well. electronics are easy to use. I miss notch filter from op-40 preamp, but that's me.
Also, for a skinny guy like me, I m sort of feeling like the contour bowl is not as comfortable as a mid depth bowl. Top of contour sort of sticks into me. I am still making judgements though. All in all, It is the ax that keeps getting picked up. ............mike
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2005-03-07 11:52 AM (#164547 - in reply to #164437)
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Jailhouse fingers hopkins:

WHen you get older -- say -- just about the other side of 50 -- you'll appreciate that contour bowl!
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